[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

Wrong, there is the LATW recording, which he claims he did at a sound check. May this be true or not, I have no idea.
I would hardly say there are bootlegs of most of his work. Let's say there are 100 bootlegs throughout his career, that's 3 a year, so logically seen the chance is quite high, that one specific performance (the one with FCOL) hasnt been documented.

There are bootleg versions of most of his songs.
A bootleg featuring FCOL would be pretty sought after as it's a big favourite.
Yes, it's possible that Meat has performed the whole song on several occasions over the years, but only on dates where no bootlegs have been recorded.
You think?

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

true, but tour programs are mostly printed before the majority of the shows are through, and again, I dont think the performance of one single song might be important enough to get a mention in a tourbook.

So are the set lists.
It might not be important enough to dedicate a double spread tribute, but if Meat was performing it i'm sure it would have gone in the set lists that have been published in previous tour books.

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

well, a) Jonty did, and that's on what I've based my theory and b), even if there would be no one remembering it: try to find someone who has attended, for example, a show in 77/78, or someone who was at the MSO recording, or 3 Bats live, etc
The chance to find someone who attended one specific show is not as high as you might think.

Jonty has said he doesn't know what he remembers.
Meat has said he has performed parts of the song.
If Meat performed part of the song at the show Jonty was at, Meat was telling the truth.
And it's not high as you'd think.
But come on, no mention from anyone, no mention in tour book, no bootleg.
What's this starting to look like?
The truth?

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

I never claimed that.

My point exactly

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

My point was, he said clearly the song WASNT performed live since March 78 in NYC. And I claim he KNOW that was wrong. Especially as he performed it so little times it would be hard to forget about it.
HE claimed it wasnt performed since 78, everything else, if in front of an audience or not, if full or not, was nothing that he said at the specific show. Those were all points he/people made later to twist the truth a little and make his comment look true.

What?
He claimed that he hasn't performed the whole song live since March 78 (to use the date you've put).
That's what Meat has said, and there is no everdence that this is not true.

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

The way I look at it, is that he wanted to make the audience at the MSO recording feel like they're seeing something more special than it was. Especially as this also includes the DVD audience.
We as fans, KNOW that a performance of FCOL is something special, but 99% of the people who bought the DVD dont. So his little speech before the song made them realise theyre gonna see something special. So all in all they might remember the show as soemthing more special, and might even tell a friend about it.
Again, most of those people wont care if that story is true, or wont bother to check, it's only us ML nerds who know the truth, and we dont make the majority of the sales.

He might have wanted to make them feel part of something special by singing the song in the first place
As you say, only Meat heads will know that a performance of FCOL is special, so why not announce it?
And to be honest, even though fans love the song so much, the average lay fan will tell their friends about Bat ut Of Hell and Paradise.Stuff they know.
THe point is that not even we Meat Loaf nerds know the truth.
I'm not even sure Meat knows the truth.
Or Jim Steinman.
As i've said, I couldn't tell you what songs I sang 10 years ago.I really couldn't.
What I DO know is that if anyone does know the truth it's bound to be Meat.And I don't see why he would need to lie about such a triviality.
NOTHING supports the theory that Meat has sang this, and everything points to Meat being right.

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

So I say, he damn well knew what he was talking about

The very point i'm trying to make

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

, so we shouldnt ignore that, but except it as a,
lets say, marketing tool.

Yes, I think it was used to some extent as a marketing tool (to how much success ) but does that mean it's not also true ?

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

phew, that was a long post wasnt it?

They getting longer