I don't attempt pasta .. I don't eat it that often and really it's cheap enough to buy anyway. Pastry I still make most of the time (apart from puff) .. but if children don't learn to make it, and are used to ready made pies being put in front of them, it's hardly surprising if as adults they do the same thing .. and the cheap ones are either full of sugar or the meat (note Lucy I remembered to use a small M

) content is poor and fatty.
I make a cracking suet crust too

.. and home made is always better than commercially manufactured
Caryl