[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

I see, fair enough.

Here's an interesting question then imho lol... I have bought many CDs which I have then ripped onto my pc and copied to my iPod. On many occasions I have had a clearout when the shelf got full, selling the CDs. Now the official position is that I should get rid of the mp3s I made now that I no longer have the CD. I can't see why this should be the case. I paid my dues when I bought the CD. This gives me the right to access those songs and make a personal copy. what I then do with the physical medium is up to me and surely should have no impact on my personal copy? Unless I'm missing something?

THat would be the same as buying an album from a shop, copying it onto your PC, and then selling it on.
Two people have the album, one unit has been sold.
You don't need to be an accountant to see that that is bad for business.

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

IMO, famous musicians make enough money as it is. If I take money out of their pocket, I dont have any sympathy for them at all.

But legally, you don't get to make the rules do you?

You want the product, you pay the price.
It's known as trade.

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

The exceptions would be smaller bands that are on Indy labels. I'll buy their stuff, because they can actually use the cash. An artist like ML or Aerosmith make money doing nothing but collecting royalty cheques from their vast catalogue.

So you don't mind paying for music, just as long as they are not too successful?

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

If you make any money whatsoever, you are extremely lucky.

Especially when every b@stard is stealing your work for free

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Same with actors, but IMO actors are even less deserving that musicians.

I take it then you don't watch movies, or fictional TV programs, and have no interest in their future production?

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

If you come to my area I will buy a ticket and some merchandise.

Official merchandise or bootleged merchandise?
You wouldn't want to go filling the pockets of someone who's got to much already

You could always make your own by getting a plain white T shirt and writting Meat Loaf over the front with a magic marker

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Oh and if you cancel a show, you make it up at a later date. Otherwise I will always hold it against you. THAT is an extreme disservice to your fans.

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Originally Posted by chairboys

On a slightly different note - do I need to seek out every store manager to provide proof he has clearance to play music in his shop (a public place) because I wouldn't want to discover new artists illegally??

Shops have got to pay to play music in their store. If they don't they're breaking the law.
I don't think many managers would try and get round that, given the concequences.

Wether you should go ask every manager if he is legally playing the music is down to a combination of two factors.

1. How much time you have on your hands.

2. How invested you are in the subject.

If the answer to the first is "lots", and the answer to the second is "very" let us know how you get on

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

The reality is that he COULD have done a make up show. I live in Canada and he lives in the US. Its not like he has to come back to India. The venue was not booked solid and we have many other places to play.

I don't care about the money. I wanted a show. I have a right to be upset.

^^^^ Explains a lot.

So you don't like the big bad nasty successful rock star because he had to cancel a gig near you and never got a chance to rebook it?

Dude.

Sometimes gigs get cancelled. Especially when the artist (no offence to him here) is in his 60's. People get sick, especially when they are doing a hard job.
And Meat is not known for taking it easy on himself.

Do you think that Meat picks every place he plays?
He has tour agents for that, and what might work on one tour might not work on another.

Between tours the venue might put the price up, or have some sort of falling out with the tour company Meat uses.

The people working on Meat's tour might have a good working relationship with certain venue managers (it would surprise me if this were not true) , so it's those people they call first when planing a tour rather than calling a theater they don't know very well, or perhaps have never dealt with at all.

The tour company might decide that venues in other places are more fruitful, easier to fill, and more in line with the bigger tour picture.

They might just be remiss.

Don't just assume that Meat is at fault without at least getting some answers first.


I was wondering what your earlier comment about canceled shows had to do with anything (as it was way off the topic) but it's easier to think someone doesn't deserve money when you think they have done you a personal wrong.