[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Nice try.

Try?

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

In neither of those quotes you've painstakingly taken out of context do I ask how Meat could vote for Romney - indeed, I say 'if only he had just voted for him'.

Taken out of context?
I've read what you said, and posted the relevant parts to what I was asking.

You're obvious dislike for Romney is why I asked for clarification on weather it was the crandidate or or the endorcement itself that you didn't like.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I have also said I would feel the same regardless of who he was telling people to vote for. Apparently you chose to ignore that quote. What a surprise.

Sorry, I must have overlooked that. No sarcasm required, I only asked you for a clarification.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I do not like the idea of Meat Loaf using his fame to tell people who to vote for. It divides fans and it is something he has never done before.

I do not like the idea of Meat Loaf using his fame to tell people who to vote for. It divides fans and it is something he has never done before.

I don't like the fact that he offered an unqualified endorsement, his first in 40 years, only to turn around the next day and say he disagrees with Romney on a number of key issues.

Then it's the endorcement you have a problem with.
But I asked you weather it was the cadidate or the endorcement you didn't like, and you said you had not made either point.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I also never ask why Meat feels he is in a position to use his celebrity for an endorsement. Meat is in that position, clearly. I simply said I don't think he should and that it will (and has) divide his fans.

So again, it's the endorcement itself you have the problem with, not the fact it was Romney endorced. This is all I asked you.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I have also said I find it disrespectful to tell people to argue with their family and friends rather than respecting their own opinions.

Fair enough.
I don't think it's unusual for someone talking to a political crowd to urge them to fight their corner.
I also think it's normal that the crowd needs no telling. It's normal that the celebrity speaker will have pretty much 0 effect on the commitment to those he speaks too.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Once again, you ignore this, determined as you are to ignore everything I've said and push the agenda you've invented for me.

I've asked you what your biggest issue was, and asked you to clarify, even when you've said the point you've made over and over is a point you've never made.

How can I invent an agenda for you when I have no idea what point you are trying to make?

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

You seem to have some sort of desperation to tell me what I think rather than listening to what I have said. I've explained my points clearly and concisely -

And then gone back to say that you weren't saying it

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

I can't be bothered wasting further effort explaining.

I'd say we'll agree to disagree, but I think we actually agree. It's hard to say because you said you weren't making the point I was agreeing with.

I'll settle for agreeing to disagree