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I'm not here to argue with you Caryl, or state the contrary to whatever you say, or even question your degree of fandom
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There was in my view a general tone that Meat's voice had had it's heyday with some graphic representations of his voice peaking and tailing away. It's gone now, so neither of us can point to this or that, and we shall have to agree we disagree .. But, again in my view, there have been enough threads about Meat's voice .. as I think the moderator mentioned when he stopped you discussing on another thread.