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Originally Posted by bobbin
Lol classy, let me know when you open up a shop ill come and steal your stuff
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Sure. If by stealing from me you mean making a neutered copy without me being immediately aware... and I get to keep the actual item for sale to somebody else
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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
A lot of money and effort goes into recording those CDs. Just because you can get them free doesn't mean you should get them for free. I don't know how you can even try to justify you shouldn't have to pay for it, it's outright theft. 
I know that's sort of a no shit statement, but I don't like disliking someone's post without saying something. I feel dirty afterwards >.> |
As I said. I not justifying why I download music. I just don't want to pay for it and it's legal in my country, so I can get away with it.
If it gets to the point where I can get concert tickets and tshirts for free, I'll do that too.
If it gets to the point where it's almost impossible for a musician (such as myself) to make money at what they do, than I'm all for it. You shouldn't do art for financial gain anyway.
Anything you get should be a mere residual of doing your art. Whether it's fame or money. The true reward should be touching people, so whether somebody 'steals' music by downloading it is irrelevant. Enough people will pay for products for you to make you money back, because in order to make it 'free' somebody has to make a purchase and not everyone is going to download the same torrent.
In a way the less an artist makes the better, because a) they do it for the art alone and don't worry as much about how marketable it is, b) A suffering artist tends to make better art.
Did it stop Van Gogh? did it stop JS Bach? No, it only made them better because they did it for themselves as an artist. They never thought "Oh, I need to make this part catchy so I can sell more copies of my sheet music."
If you really think about it, it's ridiculous that a famous musician or actor makes 50 times more money than the average person, yet their job is less stressful (I don't care what anybody says) and they get to do their art for a living. I understand the reasons, but if they lose money I have absolutely no pity.
The notion that if we don't pay for music the quality and quantity will go down is absolute trite nonsense. Even though the shit marketed to the masses kind of sucks, good music is still out there. You just have to seek it out and not listen to the outlets that the corporate masters have created to market the stuff that is scientifically designed to appeal to the wide, easy to please masses. The internet sets you free in your mind, your enlightenment and your wallet.
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Originally Posted by CarylB
Don't get sick .. just don't even try to justify a philosophy and practice that's morally indefensible. The things you prefer to spend money on are the things you can't get away with stealing? 
All those involved in getting new music to the point where we can listen to it are entitled to receive their share. It's their living, so they can make choices on what they do and buy. If everyone took your stance what would the concerts and shows you prefer to spend your money on cost I wonder. Oh .. perhaps you'd wait and rip them from YT ... |
I don't understand the part about not getting sick. And as I said, I'm not justifying anything. I just don't want to pay because I don't have to. To me it's like paying to listen to the local radio station or having to pay to walk on the sidewalk. I don't have to, so I won't. I COULD write a cheque to the city out of the kindness of my heart and volunteer to clean the toilets at my local radio station, but I'm not a sucker.
It appears that the people involved in the industry are still making music and making money. These days it is extremely cheap to record anything. It makes 'Bleach' by Nirvana @ $600 seem like a ripoff. Money is there to be made. They need to be more creative and THEY ARE.
The music industry may scream up and down about downloading, but they have experts that tell them how to market and sell their product in the 2000's. It may not be what it was, but the industry is still making tons of money.
You also cannot duplicate the experience of a concert by watching YouTube. So don't even try that.
If somebody is not making enough money by making music than they should get a second job. In fact that's what most musicians do. I'm supposed to have sympathy because the lucky rich ones are losing money and have to move from a 29 bedroom house to a 17 bedroom house? Gimme a break.