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Old 30 Sep 2016, 17:21   #57822
AndrewG
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Originally Posted by Adje View Post
I never thought of Trump to be a fruitcake. I think he's very clever. But that doesn't mean I think he is suit for a job as President.

As for the Netherlands. I'm not a VVD guy and Rutte is not my pick. But neither is Wilders. And luckily Wilders act is starting to show cracks. Even to some of his followers. And with Dutch elections on their way I must say that comforts me.

As with Trump. He also is an act. But he is a good act and many people fail to see through it. That's a quality, for sure. And the World will not explode if he becomes the President. But I pitty the fool who has to clean up his mess in 4 years from now.
It is a very fair comment and interesting debating this with you for sure. But hence I am much more respecting of what Meat said since he recognises Trump's intelligence as well.

I never expected Bruce to change his mind on his party alliance. However his huge endorsement of Obama and subsequently Obama's insult towards us Brits "you will be at the back of the queue for deals with the USA if you vote to leave the EU" in April (after his USA apology tour around the world) certainly made me far more sceptical of another Democratic president. It actually made me look into the EU far more and eventually I voted leave!

Whether Trump can deliver any of the stuff he says is of course something for the future to judge and I would definitely be critical if things became a mess and if that mess because of USA's influence in the west trickles into the UK. At this time I personally think more far left thinking (Labour party here in the UK moving to total socialism) is possibly not what we need to improve our and other people's lives. I used to be a paying member of the Labour party here and I also voted for them at the last election but they seem to be heading into obscurity like the PVDA are in the Netherlands. Whether you agree with them then doesn't really matter since if we don't have a large party opposition in our government simply is a bad thing.

Hillary Clinton's taunting of Russia worries me more than what Donald Trump has said about foreign countries and his policies etc. I'm not saying Putin is a saint but some of the rhetoric recently seems to be exactly what many are accusing Trump of. (If you have your hands on the nuclear football you cannot be so erratic etc)

Why Wilders doesn't open up his party to membership and invite more people / ideas in definitely won't help him and I guess it shows he is perhaps too narcissistic to become a Dutch Prime minister. We will see next year. Would a Trump win influence the Dutch? Perhaps not since most as quite far left leaning from what I know. Also weren't a whole bunch of the PVV politicians caught out to be involved in corruption when they first were part of the government coalition? I can't remember exactly but my dad said something along the lines of that is what you get with these guys at the time. I thought it was an interesting comment.

These are polarising times when it comes to politics for sure. And I also wonder if the EU will still exist in its current form (without the UK) in 10 years time.

End of random political thoughts...

Also an interesting new political TV show "Designated Survivor" with Kiefer Sutherland seems really interesting so far. (Netflix)

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