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Originally Posted by AndrewG

I still don't see any evidence of what you simply assume. Moreover WHY Clinton brought this person up in a presidential debate is frankly incredible considering this person's past. BTW just before the debate the Wiki page had been amended to remove all the bad stuff about her. Clinton played a "Trumpcard" and that was very evident I think. This certainly doesn't look good her on her account yet somehow the media don't mind this. Bizarre.

Fair enough although you don't call it a 'Trumpcard' for nothing

He has made money from objectiving women sure but those women have made money too. His family seem quite well turned out to me. And the odd goofball thing he's said: Meh I don't mind this so much.


Between his scatty brain comments (I suffer from this too) I don't believe he is a racist. I see a lot of character assassination by the media, especially since he decided to run. You mentioned Mitt Romney. Trump was the best guy in the world to him back in 2012. Now all of a sudden the worst. Hmmm. When Meat Loaf has been on the receiving end of character assassination in the press plenty came to his defence here. I just don't like when people gang up on one guy and they certainly seem to be doing that through distortions and out of context quotes.

That is perhaps an issue on itself. The fact that you don't mind his 'goofball things' from the position he is in (or represents)
As for Romney, I think he has a lot of wrong ideas about a lot of issues. But at least he had the decency to stand up against his rallying crowd when they screamed something untrue. Trump is the kind of person that encourage it. Remeber that protester during his rally for the Republican nomination?

“You know what I hate? There’s a guy totally disruptive, throwing punches, we’re not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days. You know what they used to do with guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks." I’d like to punch him in the face, I tell you that,”

Seriously who says this to a rallying crowd? This isn't some cheap Hollywood movie. But I wouldn't vote for either one. I come back on the 'out of context' quotes.

I think it is out of context and not necessarily a cry to arms but a cry to voting.

As I said, I'd come back to it
Andrew, you call it out of context. But you understand what people can read into the comment? Because that is the issue. Trump is well aware of what he said and he said it to start controversity. This is why he is in the media so often. This has been his tactics from the beginning. Now saying the media blows it up, puts it out of context and overexposures is EXACTLY what Trump was aiming for. So you can call the media upon it but it does not change the fact that he used these words for a reason. And dismissing it -making it small- by saying it's out of context is just not doing it. You believe he didn't mean weapons but voting, another may believe exactly the oposit. I also don't believe Trump asked his voters to shoot Hillary. But it's not unlikely some did (even as a joke). I find something like this unacceptabel. And again, this is not the only thing this man said during his run. And it won't be the last questionable thing he says until November (I bet you a Frikandel Speciaal on it)

It's a good thing but Romney hated gays unlike Trump does. He was one of the first to open a gay friendly club in Florida I believe.

As I stated before, not a Mitt fan but wanted to make a point about leadership and the, imo, lack of it during campaign time.

My final thoughts: You say Trump is no racist. This might be true but he has said or done nothing the last year that makes me believe he is not. What he has been doing is a lot of damage control. Because everytime he says or does something , the day after he needs an excuse.

And don't get me wrong, Clinton is no saint. Not even close. But we have two candidates here to chose from. Both with a history and both with flaws. In the end it's clear for me that Trump is the most narcisitc of the two. And that is the last person I want as a President.