[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by loaferman61

One post said Trump did not win any majority and called for facts, I posted the actual map with the majority of states red for Trump and got a dislike LOL.

I'm sure you do realize that the map is misleading, in that he could have won a state by only a few votes and it would be colored red. Additionally, many of the red states are those that are most sparsely populated- not really representative of a huge majority.

Originally Posted by loferman61

I am on other forums that make this look like a Sunday School picnic.

As am I, and it's based on that experience that I wrote my opinion above that I thought the left was more tolerant (maybe I should have said "Democrats" or "left-leaning" instead), in that the majority of the racist, bullying, name-calling comments come from those who identify themselves as Republicans, conservatives, and/or Trump supporters. It seems they aren't capable of expressing an opinion without using terms such as "libtard", which is offensive on several levels.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

[*]Call for political assassinations, mostly of Trump (including a Guardian journalist who wrote this). I think Trump's life is in far more danger than Obama's. I don't want to see anything bad happen to politicians from any side.

But yet, Trump himself made a comment while campaigning that could have been interpreted to encourage the assassination of Hillary Clinton.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

[*]It appears now socially acceptable to write things such as "Goodmorning everyone (except all the white people)" on places such as Twitter. I doubt such voices are from those who would vote republican / conservative or UKIP.

No, those people just write other racist things, such as the nonprofit director who called Michelle Obama an "ape in heels" in a Facebook post.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Someone concerned about immigration is not a racist.

No, not necessarily; but many racists are concerned about immigration. The difference between the two is the reason behind the concern and how one proposes to address those concerns.

Originally Posted by AndrewG

And if you are a 100% liberal and happy about that, before you click dislike on this post consider this video of what liberal virtue signalling sometimes actually means... yes it means you could be the racist whether intentionally or not:

I'd never call myself 100% liberal; I lean that way, but my views are (like most people's, I think) actually somewhere in the middle. I don't personally have a problem with voter ID laws; in fact, the first time I heard that such laws could be considered racist, I thought it was kind of ridiculous, because I had never come across any people of color who didn't have any ID. But, my experience is in a large city (much like the people featured in the video); if one were to go to poor rural areas, you might have different answers. Although, that would be a factor of financial status, as opposed to race (though the two are often related). Are a large enough number of people affected that it's a legitimate concern? I honestly don't know- where I live, I think it's a non-issue. But, you can't make federal laws that apply to some areas and not to others. Not to mention, there are other means to identify voters besides asking for a photo ID (I actually had this conversation with an election judge the last time I voted, after the woman before me questioned why she didn't check for ID).

Originally Posted by nightinr

In the UK if somebody openly says they voted for Brexit they are given the tag as an uneducated racist. I'm guessing a similar thing is happening in the US?

Yes, but in the case of Trump, for example, the man was endorsed by the KKK and didn't immediately (if he ever did at all) renounce them. If his supporters disliked being called racist, they should have called him on that lack of action.

Originally Posted by CarylB

Do I think some voted without really knowing much about the basic facts, cost, implications? Yes, and probably on both sides. The "campaign" was misleading on one side and woefully absent on the other. So some will have voted in ignorance .. which doesn't mean they are stupid, just lacking clear information.

In the same way, some will have voted for Trump because they vote Republican, full stop. Some clearly fear immigrants, Muslims, Mexicans either racism, bigotry, or xenophobia. Trump played to this very colourfully and with disappointing success. Others voted for him because they genuinely believe he will deliver jobs, wealth, success. Some voted for change, any change. Of course not all who voted for Trump are "ignorant" or "uneducated" .. but I'd argue for eg that those who think repealing Obamacare is not the same as repealing the ACA are certainly ill-informed!

I agree, Caryl- well said. I think this video illustrates your last point- it's of course not a "scientific" poll, but I think it probably represents typical citizens:

YouTube Video

Before the election, I was called "elitist" here because I made a comment that I thought some people who voted for Trump might later be regretting that decision. I am Facebook friends with a former classmate who has been a Trump supporter; as the parent of a special-needs child, she is now (rightfully) concerned about his nominee for Secretary of Education, based on answers she gave in her confirmation hearing. (How she could have rationalized and excused Trump's mocking of a disabled reporter is beyond me- I think she fell for the "he didn't really do that" spin.) I won't go so far as to presume that my friend is regretting her decision, but it illustrates that when you vote for a candidate, you also vote for whomever that candidate might also place in key cabinet or (in the U.S.) Supreme Court positions. Likewise, some people who supported the repeal of "Obamacare" might not have fully realized they were affecting their own healthcare.

Originally Posted by nightinr

Other artists who I will class as the liberal, social elite were telling people how to vote and subsequently demonised voters post the election.

Can you give an example of an artist demonizing voters after the election?