Just trying to get my head around this one.... think its there....
right here goes.
I for one am not taking anything you've said to me in a bad way at all. You have been everything you say in this topic to me. But I have witnessed you do it to others in other topics. For example: the guy who said Meat was looking old in the press conference ( or how ever it was worded) I didn't think he was being out of order as i'm sure a lot of other people didn't. I saw no reason for your "and your point is?" comment. At Meats age i'm sure he will come to expect this sort of thing lol, i'm 42 and noticing the age comments creeping in all the time as i go through life, it's no biggy and I wouldn't expect people to go around speaking up in my defense for it all the time, it's not nice when it hits home that you're not 21 anymore, but its life. And to be honset the same thing had crossed my mind when i saw the interview. i'm not syaing I thoguht 2oh look Meat looks sooo old" not at all, but i'm sure some people know what I mean. Don't want to make this a whole point about the age thing as that was just an example. And as i've said before i think meat is wonderful, doesn't mean we all have to herp worship him either (not that theres anything bad about that, just as there isnt for those of us that don't.) ewww the more I go on the more i seem to be digging m,yself a hole big enough to get abused lol, maybe this is how others feel when they feel they need to put their point across. A lot of these issues wouldn't be made so big, if people didn't jump on with the "and your point is" type of posts back. I for one would never do it to you, if you posted saying how much you idolise meat, even if I don't feel the same way about him. it's your opinion and thats fine by me. I just think others should be allowed that privalige.
[b]Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 2:16 pm Post subject:
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Chrissy wrote:
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I believe its better to mince your words (in an unbiased way) so as not to offend the person youre talking to instead of just hitting them with insults and profanities, it also makes for a more readable forum, that way you can disagree with someone without taking the 'I'm right you're wrong' stance.
I agree completely. It's not sugar coating, just courteously trying to confront the issue rather than the person
Deb wrote that in her view I sometimes:
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.... provoke the worst in people with your comments to them when they post. Hope you don't take that the worng way but thats how i;'m seeing it. Not that I agree with the verabl abuse, but I do see sometimes where people are coming from. So as I see what you're saying, there is another side to it all and i'd pretty much throw myself out on a limb to say this is how a lot feel. They just don't want to get abuse for saying it.
I'm not I hope taking this the wrong way. I would like to respond with a couple of points. As I've said my posts are not intended as patronising or "holier than thou". I speak when I have something to say, I write with conviction and articulately. I write with most conviction when Meat is being sniped at, or when I or others are being attacked. When people speak against me, my opinions or beliefs they do not get verbal abuse from me. That's not my way, and I don't believe I have set any example which should lead anyone to fear that. When I have been talked down to in this forum it has not provoked "the worst" in me, although I might well respond tongue in cheek! I have disagreed with you on a number of points, but I believe I have done this with courtesy, with clear language, without patronising you, and without resorting to abuse. And if I use clear language, but choose it carefully so as not to give you cause for feeling offence, it is done simply and honestly for just that reason, not to "have a dig" at you without saying what I really mean, or to put you down .
You say you agree about verbal abuse, and those who have been doing this have imo done so for their own agenda and one which has little excuse of "provocation" ..
Not sure quite what you mean there, do you mean me? because i have no agenda here. Unlike a lot of people on this board I have no previous conceptions of anyone.
as many have observed, this is a Meat Loaf fansite, and to be hypercritical of him or snipe at him here is to expect some form of response from those of us who come here first and foremost as afficionados of Meat, and who have seen his distress at what he described as "putdowns, Lies and just plan being angry over what I don't know". As to the "silent majority", I don't believe I've ever said "You're wrong!" just posted my own view as articulately as I can, saying that it's my belief or my view.
Yes it is a Meat Loaf fansite, but who defines fan? there are so many different types. Yes we all saw his distress but Meat himself apologied over that, why does it have to keep being dragged out? Many people abused that person for what he said, you included. Not once has anyone who did apologised to him. Except Meat. if he can admit he was wrong why can't many others. I don't want to go into this as the person in question is a very decent person & I respect him very much. He took far more than anyone I have seen on here take for having an opinion. And he responded with dignity, he let it go. Even though he did nothing wrong. I'm sure at some time we've all said something that Meat wouldn't like, even you caryl :) maybe unknowingly, but still been said or done. Would you like to be publicly hung for it?
think i've just about talked myself out on this, seems we just plain don't see it the same. You see it as you're just posting your view, a lot of people see it as you're putting them down. I spose as they say thats the trouble with the internet.
I have 5 children ranging in ages from 21yrs to 18months. Many times i've felt the need to step in and defend them but life is that they need to stand up for themselves when need be & learn to deal with the knocks. Meat is far old enough to do that for himself to 
Please could anyone refrain from taking anything I've said as anti Meat in anyway. I'm here because I love Meat and his music. if I didnt I wouldn't of done 22 shows on the 99 tour and be doing 15 on this one. 
Deb