I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us

[renegadeangel]

This is pretty interesting. Rory Dodd doing IGLHFBOU, I'm thinking that it was a vocal guide for Meat but it says on facebook that Jim did all the production and left the vocals for Meat and Stephen Galfas to finish.
Meat added some more guitars which makes it a better song for sure. As far as the vocals go I still would take Meat's over Rory's for this song. Rory is a great vocalist but he is lacking something that Meat delivers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNsLLNWFL1A#t=250

[duke knooby]

Great to hear an alternate version. I much prefer the bombast of the dead ringer version personally. Dead ringer was an epic album!

[The Flying Mouse]

I'm gonna get lashed for this but Rory's voice just doesn't do much for me

[Wario]

lacks so much passion its un funny. just like the whole of bad for good.

SO glad Meat recorded this

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Wario

lacks so much passion its un funny. just like the whole of bad for good.

Wait...I was not going to touch this, but I think I have to. I think there are some moments where the passion far outshines the vocal talents on the Bad For Good album. Admittedly, I heard the song Left In The Dark as sung by Meat Loaf the first time. It was one of my faves on the Welcome to the Neighborhood album. However, when I heard Steinman's version I was completely blown away. The fact that there are moments when the right notes just do not matter, but making sure the deliberate delivery of the song is on point (to me) displays a level of passion rarely heard in a completed recorded work. When he is literally yelling the lyrics over an orchestration clearly meant for a well oiled musical machine....spine chilling!

[Paul Richardson]

Rory's vocals - or is it the background vocals - sound shrill. The arrangement also lacks the power of Meat's version. It sounds like Meat rearranged and rerecorded it to me rather than just adding guitars. Interesting demo though nonetheless - thanks for posting.

[renegadeangel]

Originally Posted by Paul Richardson

Rory's vocals - or is it the background vocals - sound shrill. The arrangement also lacks the power of Meat's version. It sounds like Meat rearranged and rerecorded it to me rather than just adding guitars. Interesting demo though nonetheless - thanks for posting.

Everything is the same as the DEADRINGER cut. Steinman and Jimmy Iovine produced all the basic tracks. Meat and Stephen Galfas did the vocals and guitar overdubs.
I think Rory's vocal might have been meant as a guide vocal for Meat.

[Evil One]

I realise it's just a demo, but Rory doing both vocals and backing vocals doesn't work. Neither does the wailing at the end.

[PanicLord]

This is my favourite song ever, to me it's simply the perfect expression of Meat nailing the hell out of a Steinman song. Brilliant epic fantasy plot. When they remastered it recently it was almost like a dream come true except that my dreams are normally much wilder than that! :)

Anyhow it is interesting to hear another version but for me nothing will ever come close to the album version.

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Wario

lacks so much passion its un funny. just like the whole of bad for good.

SO glad Meat recorded this

I find this quite offensive. My turn...

There is NOT ONE song of of BFG that I think ML did better than Jim or Rory. He did a great job COVERING those songs, but Rory's voice is magic IMO.

That being said, this is NOT a good demo... but I still highly enjoy anything Rory. In fact if you think about it almost every AWESOME thing that ML has done involved Rory.

Hell, with the exception of Tanz, everything awesome that JIM has done involved Rory. Think about it. What's the last MAJOR hit by Jim or ML that has that Rory wasn't there for? "No Matter What" by Boyzone?

The fact is that a few people on this forum don't think that ANYONE has passion except for ML. That is one of the most horrible things that you can say about a musician, ESPECIALLY a singer. I guess if you actually were a musician you would know that.

Originally Posted by Dave

Wait...I was not going to touch this, but I think I have to. I think there are some moments where the passion far outshines the vocal talents on the Bad For Good album. Admittedly, I heard the song Left In The Dark as sung by Meat Loaf the first time. It was one of my faves on the Welcome to the Neighborhood album. However, when I heard Steinman's version I was completely blown away. The fact that there are moments when the right notes just do not matter, but making sure the deliberate delivery of the song is on point (to me) displays a level of passion rarely heard in a completed recorded work. When he is literally yelling the lyrics over an orchestration clearly meant for a well oiled musical machine....spine chilling!

That's what some people don't get... Unless it's ML blowing chunks. THAN it doesn't matter because he's so passionate. And I agree, that it doesn't always matter, but give other artists the same courtesy.

IMO BFG versions of LITD, RARDCT and 'Surf's Up' can't be touched because they're already perfect. That's just me.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

I find this quite offensive. My turn...

There is NOT ONE song of of BFG that I think ML did better than Jim or Rory. He did a great job COVERING those songs, but Rory's voice is magic IMO.

That being said, this is NOT a good demo... but I still highly enjoy anything Rory. In fact if you think about it almost every AWESOME thing that ML has done involved Rory.

Hell, with the exception of Tanz, everything awesome that JIM has done involved Rory. Think about it. What's the last MAJOR hit by Jim or ML that has that Rory wasn't there for? "No Matter What" by Boyzone?

The fact is that a few people on this forum don't think that ANYONE has passion except for ML. That is one of the most horrible things that you can say about a musician, ESPECIALLY a singer. I guess if you actually were a musician you would know that.

That's what some people don't get... Unless it's ML blowing chunks. THAN it doesn't matter because he's so passionate. And I agree, that it doesn't always matter, but give other artists the same courtesy.

IMO BFG versions of LITD, RARDCT and 'Surf's Up' can't be touched because they're already perfect. That's just me.

How is it offensive? Its just an opinion. Rory Dodd isn't a lead singer in my eyes he hasn't got "it". THis track, imo shows this.

I don't think anyone but Meat cans ing stein man stuff. I love Bonnie, Pandoras Box, Tanz, Whistle DOwn The WInd, and I adore Rob Evan's version of Body.

Rory and Jim I just feel don't have the vocals to get these songs across by themselves.

BFG, knowing what happened behind the scenes, makes the atmosphere of the album very venomous.

[Mr. Happy]

Rory's done some great stuff, but this isn't up there with the best of them (although with that said, it IS clearly just a demo and not polished). Meat's version kicks the ass out of this.

I love Rory's voice, though. Making Love out of Nothing At All and Surf's Up are definitively his, in my opinion

[Breeze]

I like Roy's voice on Surfs Up, it sounds sweet and endearing -sort of like your BF or husband is singing it just for you. Meat's cover is very professionally done and quite stunning. So one is professional and one is personal. So, I like them both.
I also think Markus Funk has the best cover of Body. It is just so touching and personal.
oh, and Gonna love her for the both of us, I'll kill you if you don't come back, and Sailor to a Siren are among my favorites Meat has recorded.

[renegadeangel]

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy

Rory's done some great stuff, but this isn't up there with the best of them (although with that said, it IS clearly just a demo and not polished). Meat's version kicks the ass out of this.

I love Rory's voice, though. Making Love out of Nothing At All and Surf's Up are definitively his, in my opinion

It is not a demo. It is the basic track that Steinman and Iovine produced for DeadRinger.
All that's different is Meat singing lead and more guitars.
Since we will never know, we can only imagine what Meat would have done with the Steinman songs he didn't record or later covered.

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Wario

Rory and Jim I just feel don't have the vocals to get these songs across by themselves.

BFG, knowing what happened behind the scenes, makes the atmosphere of the album very venomous.

Jim perhaps, but if Rory or Meat sang that entire album by themselves (except for LITD) it would have been the greatest piece of Steinman work there is. This track is the worst that I have heard Rory, but it's also not that good of a demo (or basic track).

I never really heard any 'venom' with this album. I generally consider that something that would come through in the lyrics. Even if there was animosity behind the scenes, that traditionally only adds to a better album.

[tonyloaf]

i like this song

[mickp]

I take this for what it is, a great insight into how the album was put together. It can't be compared with the final product. Meat's version is one of my favourite tracks of all time, but who knows how a Rory version would have sounded after several weeks, multiple takes and remixing? As a live take with the band (with a few BGV overdubs only) to provide something for Meat to listen to and take a guide from I still think it rocks. Would have been fascinating if Jim and Jimmy had seen it to a conclusion with Meat although the end result may have been quite similar to where it ended up

I also think some of the vocals on BFG are outstanding, especially LITD and Surfs Up - I love the raw passion in frying pan and BFG also. To be honest, I often flip between which versions of songs I prefer and there are few that I don't like. DR on balance possibly just shades it as my second favourite collection of JS songs after BOOH (and also my 2nd favourite Meat album). I find all the songs accessible and standing the test of time well. I also prefer the rock based feel.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Wario

Rory and Jim I just feel don't have the vocals to get these songs across by themselves.

This I can relate to more than the phrase "lacks so much passion it's un funny"

E Ernie wrote:

The fact is that a few people on this forum don't think that ANYONE has passion except for ML. That is one of the most horrible things that you can say about a musician, ESPECIALLY a singer.

I'd agree with the second part. As to the first .. I think the fact is that Meat has always had a unique style. That imo is what made his partnership with Jim so outstanding .. a one of a kind composer and one of a kind singer, where the whole has always been greater than the sum of the parts.

Many of us describe the uniqueness of Meat's style as "passion", perhaps because it is so difficult to define. I see that .. but it is imo more. There has always been a huge delivery, a delivery that is somehow different to that of other singers, he has always become a character lost in the song .. he really IS an actor who sings; he performs a song in a way that his fans are swept away by, and I guess "passion" tends to be used as a convenient shorthand for what he brings to Steinman penned songs. This particular version by Rory Dodd illustrates this in my view. The song would simply not have caught my imagination and interest if the only version I had heard had been this one. I heard Meat's version, and there is an urgency, a depth, a resonance, a belief, a being the song, and yes, a passion, that immediately captivated me. It is imo all these things that made Jim want to work with Meat, and that make Meat's delivery bring the songs to a life that for me others simply do not. That's not to say that other singers do not have skill, nor indeed a passion for their work. It's simply that Meat brings something extra, something hard to define, but something that only he can bring to the songs .. something that even, for me, Jim himself does not bring. It has always imo been a fusion of two extraordinary abilities. I do not think that BOOH would have been the phemonenal success it was without both of these two unique talents. So, no disrespect to Rory Dodd, but for me too, something is missing, something lacking. The song comes across to me as having less dimension than Meat's version.

[TheDoode]

That was a good post Caryl. Strongly agree

[Dave]

I wonder if sometimes there are certain things that are polished and fine tuned a bit too much and if sometimes art is not completed to the fullness of its being...I am the visionary who oft considers the other marvels that could be found should one less paint stroke have been used or one additional ting of the triangle added to the composition. To me...the thought of what is there and the thought of what could be are all part of the enjoyment. There are others who only want to consider what script is on the page. Neither is right nor wrong - we are all intelligent beings who appreciate art in our own ways...that is a small miracle of life.

[Evil Ernie]

At first I thought this was pretty rough, and it is, but it's grown on me.

It just goes to prove that Rory can do no wrong.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

It just goes to prove that Rory can do no wrong.

The moustache and hair prove otherwise.