reed em and weep (Meat Vs Manilow)

[greg]

out of the tributes bands i would love to see steve steinman do read em and weep, cos if you have seen steve perform doing crying out loud you would know what, i am talking about

[Bart]

This is the most underestimated Meat song. Its a true classic in every way.

[Heli]

Originally Posted by Bart

This is the most underestimated Meat song. Its a true classic in every way.

chsib

[The Flying Mouse]

Well, this thread needs to be moved, but to where?
On one hand, it's a tribute discussion, so it should go to Off Topic with the rest of the tribute talk .
But on the other hand it's about how underated Read Em And Weep is, which means it should go to Tyre Tracks & Broken Hearts .

I'm sure you guys do this just to confuse me

Off to Off Topic it is then .

[Heli]

but what if someone says it's a crap song and it should be underrated....then you might have to drag it over to the fight club

[Rob The Badger]

It's a crap song and it should be underrated.

[Heli]

Originally Posted by Rob The Badger

It's a crap song and it should be underrated.

You wanna fight about it

[Rob The Badger]

You bet! Grrr!

[Caz]

Children, children, please ......... no fighting ....... go to your rooms and don't come out until you learn how to behave

[rachelba]

I was looking through a "friends" CD collection and flipped over, a dare I say it , a Barry Manilow cover to read the tracks when I saw Read them and Weep! I nearly died. I played it to make sure but yes there it was being slaughtered by Barry!!!

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by rachelba

I was looking through a "friends" CD collection and flipped over, a dare I say it :oops: , a Barry Manilow cover to read the tracks when I saw Read them and Weep! I nearly died. I played it to make sure but yes there it was being slaughtered by Barry!!!

I think that most people have some false preconception that Manilow = tres evil. Somehow he seems to have gotten some stigma where it is not done to like something he's done.
I'm not saying that his version of Read 'Em and Weep is fantastic, but it sure isn't bad.

[Rob The Badger]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

I think that most people have some false preconception that Manilow = tres evil. Somehow he seems to have gotten some stigma where it is not done to like something he's done.
I'm not saying that his version of Read 'Em and Weep is fantastic, but it sure isn't bad.

Indeed.

Yes it's cringeworthy and not exactly the most influential stuff you'll ever hear, but there is worse.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

I think that most people have some false preconception that Manilow = tres evil. Somehow he seems to have gotten some stigma where it is not done to like something he's done.
I'm not saying that his version of Read 'Em and Weep is fantastic, but it sure isn't bad.

Totally agree. The stigma surrounding Barry Manilow is what puts a lot of people off and then dishonestly says he's bad just to try and save face. I think Manilows version of Read 'Em and Weep is far better than Meats, mainly because the production was done right and Barry can hold the higher notes a lot clearer. No it's not in my Top #10 of favourite Steinman songs but it's a bloody good song none the less and is even better sung by Barry.

Pud

[Rob The Badger]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Totally agree. The stigma surrounding Barry Manilow is what puts a lot of people off and then dishonestly says he's bad just to try and save face. I think Manilows version of Read 'Em and Weep is far better than Meats, mainly because the production was done right and Barry can hold the higher notes a lot clearer. No it's not in my Top #10 of favourite Steinman songs but it's a bl**dy good song none the less and is even better sung by Barry.

Pud

I wouldn't go so far as to say I like Manilow much, I don't want to lie. However, you're right. Meat's version is let down by piss poor production.

[The Flying Mouse]

OK, so it's not tribute talk, it's a discussion about the song.
That means it should go to Tyre Tracks (hey, you can't be right all the time ).
Moved, and title altered.

[The Flying Mouse]

OK it's done (because I didn't have a clue what else to do with it ).
Please don't argue on this thread, as that will be a cause to move it to Fight Club, and please don't have a debate on weather the thread was moved to the apropiate forum, as then it will need to be moved to Site Feedback .
I think two moves is plenty for any one thread

[greg]

have any of you seen the video of barry doin , read em and weep. it is total crap , barry sings it boring, with no feeling what so ever, i have steinman jim. talking about barry doin it ,he said when i told about barry ,singing it i got cakes thrown at me ,he only sang it because at the time meats voice was bad at the time , barry dont make me laugh

[Rob The Badger]

Originally Posted by greg

have any of you seen the video of barry doin , read em and weep. it is total crap , barry sings it boring, with no feeling what so ever, i have steinman jim. talking about barry doin it ,he said when i told about barry ,singing it i got cakes thrown at me ,he only sang it because at the time meats voice was bad at the time , barry dont make me laugh

There seems to be a horrid opinion around here that only Meat can apply any depth of emotion to a song.
It's the singer's prerogative to sing it how he or she sees fit. The song should carry most of the emotion, this coupled with a half-decent singer is good enough. Manilow is a wonderful singer, he's just had bad luck with his material, imho.

[PanicLord]

The drama and passion are what I like about Meat / Jim collabs, and REAW has both of those in spades.

Yes, Barry hits notes and holds them well, but compared to Meat, he just can't sing - I mean, really get hold of a song and make it his own, and make you a part of it.

Barry is like someone who does colour by numbers paintings as opposed to an artist - Meat.

As for the poor production on DR I suppose it's true - but I reckon a decent remaster (NOT a remix) would be magnificent.

[greg]

well said trex, i know what you mean ill have a tape of barry doin read em & weep , and there is no passion there in the man i mean nothing , but when you see meat do it there is the passion , enough said . at least trex agrees with me

[Skeleton]

My dad have that Manilow´s CD and you´re so true: He don´t sing it with passion like Meat...

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by greg

at least trex agrees with me

Hooray for you.

What's the freakin' problem here? Ok, so you don't like Barry Manilow's version? Good for you, now stop listening to it, and shut up about it!

This Barry-bashing is getting old. No, let me correct myself. It is old. Just als old as "Streisand's version of "Left In The Dark" is so bad, it sucks!" or "meatloaf R0x0rz!1!!11"

[Rob The Badger]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Hooray for you.

What's the freakin' problem here? Ok, so you don't like Barry Manilow's version? Good for you, now stop listening to it, and shut up about it!

This Barry-bashing is getting old. No, let me correct myself. It is old. Just als old as "Streisand's version of "Left In The Dark" is so bad, it sucks!" or "meatloaf R0x0rz!1!!11"

Amen to that.

[Pudding]

I believe that Meat fans are under the misconception that if you don't like every single thing Meat does then your not a 'true' fan. I find it tiresome and stale when they have to bash another artist for singing a song that Meat has. Meat Loaf isn't the best singer in the world so just get over it.

Pud

[Rob The Badger]

Originally Posted by Pudding

I believe that Meat fans are under the misconception that if you don't like every single thing Meat does then your not a 'true' fan. I find it tiresome and stale when they have to bash another artist for singing a song that Meat has. Meat Loaf isn't the best singer in the world so just get over it.

Pud

Indeed. I think there's a great deal of the "ZOMFG U STOELD MEAT'S SONG! U BLASPHEMER!" mentality around these parts.
However, in a paradoxial way, I'm not exempt. To turn it on it's head, I think the fact that Meat covered 'Forever Young' is blasphemy, yet people will probably argue that Meat puts more emotion into it than Dylan ever could.

*shrug*