Meat Loaf & Patti Russo cd??

glamourgirl · 14 Oct 2010, 16:08

A friend and I were discussing the Stoney & Meat Loaf album and it gave us an idea. How about a Meat Loaf & Patti Russo album with a similar format? Meat sings lead on some songs, Patti sings lead on some songs, and they sing some duets together.

Smithie · 14 Oct 2010, 17:25

Everyone I know would buy that cd!

**The Flying Mouse** · 14 Oct 2010, 18:39

It would be a good hook for fans (not to mention a treat, a concept album would be amazing), who would all pretty much buy the album anyway, but the everyman is not going to know who the hell Patti is, and won't care.

Meat did his album with Stoney when he was new on the scene and the album was presented as a double act, something that IMHO is not going to work when one person is world famous and the other is known to few.

The Heaven & Hell compilation worked well because both Meat and Bonnie Tyler are very famous names.THe Meat Loaf & Friends worked to a less extent, I think, because Jim Steinman and Ellen Foley are not household names.

Wario · 14 Oct 2010, 18:48

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

The Heaven & Hell compilation worked well because both Meat and Bonnie Tyler are very famous names.

still waiting on that duet....

as for a Meat and Patti CD, why thatd kill. I mean it doesnt have to be new songs.

How about:

Dead Ringer (Rerecording with Meat and Patti)
What You See Is What You Get (Rerecording with Meat and Patti)
Read 'Em and Weep (Re-recording with Meat)
A Bible and a Beer (Patti only)
Two out of Three (Re-recording as a duet with Meat and Patti)
I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us (Re-Recording with Meat)
Just Not Enough (Patti only)
Paradise (Re-recording with Meat and Patti)

**allrevvedup** · 14 Oct 2010, 18:50

while it might sell amongst the 'die-hard fans' I don't think it'd have enough to do so on a larger scale

AndrewG · 14 Oct 2010, 20:59

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

still waiting on that duet....

Really? Funny that as my copy of "A kiss is a terrible thing to waste" has both Bonnie and Meat singing on it and it is mostly a Steinman song but what do I know.

As for this Patti/Meat CD, well

I'd rather just have a good Meat Loaf album next with less song writers attached and better songs. A Patti duet on it I always welcome.

Steingirl · 15 Oct 2010, 19:57

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

as for a Meat and Patti CD, why thatd kill. I mean it doesnt have to be new songs.

How about:

Dead Ringer (Rerecording with Meat and Patti)
What You See Is What You Get (Rerecording with Meat and Patti)
Read 'Em and Weep (Re-recording with Meat)
A Bible and a Beer (Patti only)
Two out of Three (Re-recording as a duet with Meat and Patti)
I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us (Re-Recording with Meat)
Just Not Enough (Patti only)
Paradise (Re-recording with Meat and Patti)

I'd love to hear that. I'd also enjoy hearing some new duets.

Steingirl · 15 Oct 2010, 20:00

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

It would be a good hook for fans (not to mention a treat, a concept album would be amazing), who would all pretty much buy the album anyway, but the everyman is not going to know who the hell Patti is, and won't care.

It might be a good way to introduce Patti and her talent to the everyman.

Wario · 15 Oct 2010, 20:03

maybe if CHSIB reached number 1 and was a massive hit and brought in millions and millions, a Patti and Meat album would've already been out

Steingirl · 15 Oct 2010, 20:12

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

maybe if CHSIB reached number 1 and was a massive hit and brought in millions and millions, a Patti and Meat album would've already been out

I love that song. It should have been a massive hit. The record companies always mess up Meat's single releases (or they have atleast for the past decade).

**The Flying Mouse** · 15 Oct 2010, 21:09

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Originally Posted by Steingirl

It might be a good way to introduce Patti and her talent to the everyman.

I disagree.
If she made an album like that with Meat it could indicate (as she is an unknown) that the only way she could get her name on a record would be to have it right next to a big stars.
She'd be better off doing a solo album of her own, promoing it to hell (with the right management behind her) and getting all the praise herself.

Evil One · 15 Oct 2010, 21:35

Indeed. The only people that would buy a 'Meat & Patti' album would be Meat fans, so they would already know who Patti is anyway.

Wario · 15 Oct 2010, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Indeed. The only people that would buy a 'Meat & Patti' album would be Meat fans, so they would already know who Patti is anyway.

and maybe queen fans

duke knooby · 16 Oct 2010, 02:17

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Originally Posted by Steingirl

It might be a good way to introduce Patti and her talent to the everyman.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

I disagree.
If she made an album like that with Meat it could indicate (as she is an unknown) that the only way she could get her name on a record would be to have it right next to a big stars.

the classic music business old school formula to crack new puppets

ladies and gentlemen, if you will... please welcome marion raven etc etc

(im not suggesting marion is or was a music biz puppet btw, just used her as an example)

**The Flying Mouse** · 16 Oct 2010, 19:26

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Originally Posted by duke knooby

ladies and gentlemen, if you will... please welcome marion raven etc etc

Yeah, 'cause it really worked for her didn't it?

Pudding · 17 Oct 2010, 23:19

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Originally Posted by Steingirl

It might be a good way to introduce Patti and her talent to the everyman.

Because everyman bought Meats latest album?
I'd prefer to see Patti on her own rather than in Meats shadow.

Smithie · 18 Oct 2010, 15:47

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

but the everyman is not going to know who the hell Patti is

Any fan who buys a Meat Loaf album should know the name Patti Russo. She sings on all of his albums for 15 years and any fan who sees a show could never forget that voice. Plus, Patti has a lot of Cher fans, TSO fans, Queen & SAS Band fans. She might bring in some new fans.

Smithie · 18 Oct 2010, 15:51

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

How about:

Dead Ringer (Rerecording with Meat and Patti)
What You See Is What You Get (Rerecording with Meat and Patti)
Read 'Em and Weep (Re-recording with Meat)
A Bible and a Beer (Patti only)
Two out of Three (Re-recording as a duet with Meat and Patti)
I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us (Re-Recording with Meat)
Just Not Enough (Patti only)
Paradise (Re-recording with Meat and Patti)

I like your setlist, WarioLoaf. Since there are a few live versions of Paradise and Dead Ringer, I would swap those songs for Meat-Patti duets of IACBTMN, IICHY, and The Future and a couple new duets. I would also like to hear Patti record Total Eclipse of the Heart. I love that song, but I don't like Bonnie Tyler's voice.

Smithie · 18 Oct 2010, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Because everyman bought Meats latest album?
I'd prefer to see Patti on her own rather than in Meats shadow.

Meat's lastest album didn't feature Patti properly (LBIL) and the Casa cd omitted two of her duets and you can't hear her backing vocals because of the mix.
I don't think performing and recording with Meat puts Patti in his shadow.
Having her name on an album (therefore her name would be mentioned in album reviews and at promo performances/appearances) could introduce her to a wider audience. Then she could record a solo album. The foolish record companies don't seem to be offering her a deal right now.

**The Flying Mouse** · 18 Oct 2010, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Smithie

Any fan who buys a Meat Loaf album should know the name Patti Russo.

Not true.
Only the people who are interested enough to read the credits in the booklet will know her name.
I'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying that's the way it is.

It's hard to compare Meat's relation to Patti to anybody else because duets are usually done by two big names who have come together for the song (for example Meat & Cher for Dead Ringer) or are two unknowns who are a double act (Stoney & Meat).
Meat has a history of going against the grain in this way since the 90's.He's he's worked wuith Lorraine Crosby, Patti, and Marion Raven, all of whome are pretty much unknown as artist in their own right.

Pudding · 19 Oct 2010, 06:07

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Originally Posted by Smithie

I don't think performing and recording with Meat puts Patti in his shadow.

Meat has sold how many albums with his name splashed on the front?...80 million+? and Patti has sold how many albums with her name on the front?...that would be ZERO. So I ask you, who the hell in their right mind is going to see the album as an equal pairing? It's Meats name that'll attract the attention not Patti's.

glamourgirl · 19 Oct 2010, 16:49

It's an issue of timing. Patti has written many great songs, but she is in her 40s and the music industry focuses on youth. Without a record company, it takes a lot of money to hire managers and to travel for promotion. It's difficult to get songs on the radio and to get tv appearances.

The idea of a Meat & Patti album has two benefits. It is a way of "breaking" Patti in the music industry on a global scale. Everyone could finally see all that she is capable of as a singer/ songwriter. (While her past duets with Meat are wonderful, that is just a small sample of her talent.) Most importantly, Meat and Patti are always amazing together so it has the potential of being an amazing, memorable album. With the right songs, it could be a huge success for both their careers.

While Patti may not have sold 80 million albums, she has earned many fans from her work in musicals, with Cher, Queen, and Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Her talent is respected by fans, and I believe she is Meat's vocal equal. Her amazing voice certainly helped to sell his albums at promo performances and concerts.

Pudding · 19 Oct 2010, 23:24

Pattis has co-written some good songs, using the words 'many' and 'great' is stretching it just a little. Also who's to say Meat wants to sing one of her songs when one of her songs got rejected for Bat3?

Since Bat2, Meats 'global' album sales have gone down have they not? So what makes you think Patti teaming up with Meat would be good for Patti?

But I totally agree, her talent is respected by fans, by Meat Loaf fans, hence she'd still be in his shadow if they did an album together.

Steve6 · 20 Oct 2010, 01:04

If Patti and Meat were to do an album; it should include new material only. Flogging the same old songs over and over again is just repetitive and extremely boring at this stage. I am 100% certain it won't happen anyway, because there's no point. Patti's name has no commercial value whatsoever, and Meat Loaf's does. As Pudding said above, she's only in his shadow. So why have her name on the front cover? Where's the logic in that?

If Patti is going to release an album that she wants a big part in, she has to go solo. Bottom line!

AndrewG · 20 Oct 2010, 02:00

I'd like to see a full Patti CD with 1 or 2 Meat duets.

14 Oct 2010, 16:08	#1
glamourgirl Super Loafer Join Date: 15.09.2009 Posts: 642	Meat Loaf & Patti Russo cd?? A friend and I were discussing the Stoney & Meat Loaf album and it gave us an idea. How about a Meat Loaf & Patti Russo album with a similar format? Meat sings lead on some songs, Patti sings lead on some songs, and they sing some duets together.

14 Oct 2010, 17:25	#2
Smithie Super Loafer Join Date: 11.08.2009 Posts: 756	Everyone I know would buy that cd!

14 Oct 2010, 18:39	#3
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	It would be a good hook for fans (not to mention a treat, a concept album would be amazing), who would all pretty much buy the album anyway, but the everyman is not going to know who the hell Patti is, and won't care. Meat did his album with Stoney when he was new on the scene and the album was presented as a double act, something that IMHO is not going to work when one person is world famous and the other is known to few. The Heaven & Hell compilation worked well because both Meat and Bonnie Tyler are very famous names.THe Meat Loaf & Friends worked to a less extent, I think, because Jim Steinman and Ellen Foley are not household names.

14 Oct 2010, 18:50	#5
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,354	while it might sell amongst the 'die-hard fans' I don't think it'd have enough to do so on a larger scale

15 Oct 2010, 20:03	#9
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	maybe if CHSIB reached number 1 and was a massive hit and brought in millions and millions, a Patti and Meat album would've already been out

15 Oct 2010, 21:35	#12
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Indeed. The only people that would buy a 'Meat & Patti' album would be Meat fans, so they would already know who Patti is anyway.

19 Oct 2010, 16:49	#22
glamourgirl Super Loafer Join Date: 15.09.2009 Posts: 642	It's an issue of timing. Patti has written many great songs, but she is in her 40s and the music industry focuses on youth. Without a record company, it takes a lot of money to hire managers and to travel for promotion. It's difficult to get songs on the radio and to get tv appearances. The idea of a Meat & Patti album has two benefits. It is a way of "breaking" Patti in the music industry on a global scale. Everyone could finally see all that she is capable of as a singer/ songwriter. (While her past duets with Meat are wonderful, that is just a small sample of her talent.) Most importantly, Meat and Patti are always amazing together so it has the potential of being an amazing, memorable album. With the right songs, it could be a huge success for both their careers. While Patti may not have sold 80 million albums, she has earned many fans from her work in musicals, with Cher, Queen, and Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Her talent is respected by fans, and I believe she is Meat's vocal equal. Her amazing voice certainly helped to sell his albums at promo performances and concerts.

19 Oct 2010, 23:24	#23
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Pattis has co-written some good songs, using the words 'many' and 'great' is stretching it just a little. Also who's to say Meat wants to sing one of her songs when one of her songs got rejected for Bat3? Since Bat2, Meats 'global' album sales have gone down have they not? So what makes you think Patti teaming up with Meat would be good for Patti? But I totally agree, her talent is respected by fans, by Meat Loaf fans, hence she'd still be in his shadow if they did an album together.

20 Oct 2010, 01:04	#24
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	If Patti and Meat were to do an album; it should include new material only. Flogging the same old songs over and over again is just repetitive and extremely boring at this stage. I am 100% certain it won't happen anyway, because there's no point. Patti's name has no commercial value whatsoever, and Meat Loaf's does. As Pudding said above, she's only in his shadow. So why have her name on the front cover? Where's the logic in that? If Patti is going to release an album that she wants a big part in, she has to go solo. Bottom line!

20 Oct 2010, 02:00	#25
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	I'd like to see a full Patti CD with 1 or 2 Meat duets.