National Pride.

ladyloaf69 · 22 Feb 2004, 17:07

i am proud to be an american.

native texan · 22 Feb 2004, 23:48

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Originally Posted by ladyloaf69

i am proud to be an american.

Good for you. Same here

Skeleton · 23 Feb 2004, 15:31

I´m so proud that I´m Finnish.

native texan · 23 Feb 2004, 16:29

That's great! I wish I knew more about Finland

**The Flying Mouse** · 23 Feb 2004, 16:53

This was going a little off topic from the discussion about strange laws.
Split to new thread

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Incidently, i'm British and proud of it

We're so tough, we conqoured half the world

We're so nice, we gave it all back

kirstynic · 23 Feb 2004, 17:05

i am proud to be british

Vickip · 23 Feb 2004, 17:07

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Originally Posted by ladyloaf69

i am proud to be an american.

And so am I
Thank you
Vicki

ChrissybabezNI · 23 Feb 2004, 17:48

Thats good,

Im proud to be British too

Very proud

airhead · 23 Feb 2004, 18:52

I CAN HEAR THE GUITAR PLAYING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN...

WE GAVE YOU:

THE BEATLES

YOUR COUNTRY

THE ROLLING STONES

THE GENIUSES CALLED THE SEX PISTOLS

(THATS ALL I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT)

BY THE WAY, WHATS IT LIKE BEING AMERICAN?

native texan · 23 Feb 2004, 19:27

is that a serious question, or just a jab?

CarylB · 23 Feb 2004, 20:15

airhead wrote:

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We gave you .... your country"

Er .. not quite .. be fair .. they fought for it and won!!

I love Eddie Izzard on the topoic of "handing back colonised countries" .. "Come on Britain .. now what's that you're holding behind your back? The Falkland Islands .. what do you need them for?" .. answer .. "Er .. strategic sheep keeping purposes?" ..

Rob The Badger · 23 Feb 2004, 20:27

. . .this is the single most offensive thing I will ever say here, do not read on if you care: Nationalism and patriotism is the most foolish endeavour in the history of man. These along with religion are the sole causes of war.

Gez · 23 Feb 2004, 20:31

Mmmmmmmmm

Rob The Badger · 23 Feb 2004, 20:54

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Originally Posted by Gerry

Mmmmmmmmm

You can 'Mmmmmmmmm' all you want, it's the truth.

heat · 23 Feb 2004, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Rob The Badger

Nationalism and patriotism is the most foolish endeavour in the history of man. These along with religion are the sole causes of war.

I hafta say - i really do agree with you here, Rob. There are a helluva lot better reasons to hate someone then just because they belong to a different tribe than you do.

I really don't see myself as patriotic - i just happened to be born in England and live in Wales - but thats where i live..not who i am.

native texan · 24 Feb 2004, 13:09

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Originally Posted by Rob The Badger

. . . Nationalism and patriotism is the most foolish endeavour in the history of man. These along with religion are the sole causes of war.

I would have to disagree with you. First of all, I think it's a little simplistic to narrow the causes of war to those 3 items. How about ignorance, envy and hatred? Surely, those have caused wars, too. Second, there is a difference between nationalism and patriotism. And, there is such a thing as moderation. If patriotism, nationalism, religion, or anything else, are carried too far, then there's bound to be trouble. Simply being proud to be an American, or an Englishman or a Canadian, is not going to start a war. Kind of like the difference between being a fan and being a fanatic. Also, IMO comments like "you can mmmmmmm all you want, it's the truth" don't go a long way toward ensuring peace, do they? Regardless of where one is from, if one thinks one is right no matter what someone else says, that can lead to problems.

That's my 2-cents worth.

Keep Rocking · 24 Feb 2004, 20:21

I think most Germans don't dare to say "We are proud to be German" because it always arouses negative associations.
I know that we cannot be proud at all about the Nazi area; I really,really detest what happend then (but I don't think that's a topic to be discused here)

But why can't we be proud of the development of the last decades or the great historical people (Goethe, Schiller, Bach,...) which were all Germans?!

I'm proud to be German (in the most positive meaning)

Yvonne

airhead · 24 Feb 2004, 20:56

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Originally Posted by native texan

is that a serious question, or just a jab?

No, serious, whats it like? I wouldn't jab ya.

Rob The Badger · 24 Feb 2004, 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by native texan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob The Badger

. . . Nationalism and patriotism is the most foolish endeavour in the history of man. These along with religion are the sole causes of war.

I would have to disagree with you. First of all, I think it's a little simplistic to narrow the causes of war to those 3 items. How about ignorance, envy and hatred? Surely, those have caused wars, too. Second, there is a difference between nationalism and patriotism. And, there is such a thing as moderation. If patriotism, nationalism, religion, or anything else, are carried too far, then there's bound to be trouble. Simply being proud to be an American, or an Englishman or a Canadian, is not going to start a war. Kind of like the difference between being a fan and being a fanatic. Also, IMO comments like "you can mmmmmmm all you want, it's the truth" don't go a long way toward ensuring peace, do they? Regardless of where one is from, if one thinks one is right no matter what someone else says, that can lead to problems.

That's my 2-cents worth.

I hate to do this. But here I am.

Fan is a derision(is that a word?) of Fanatic. They are the same thing.

I don't think you can be a nationalist without being a patriot or vice versa to whatever degree.

Religion causes ignorance and hatred and in some cases envy.
How else do you explain the death of Matthew Shepard.

Western conservative Christianity and Catholicism mostly are the (not definite article) sole cause of most modern hatred. I honestly believe that.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm a globalist. I'd rather celebrate what "we as a people" have acheived, rather than "we as a nation" have acheived. Far more important if you ask me.

NB: I apologise for brining Mathew Shepard up as a point to strengthen my argument, but I feel very strongly about this.

Gez · 24 Feb 2004, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Rob The Badger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerry

Mmmmmmmmm

You can 'Mmmmmmmmm' all you want, it's the truth.

MMMMmmmmmm again, MMMMMmmmma gain and again etc.

........and thats at fact!!!!!!

Rob The Badger · 24 Feb 2004, 21:10

I realise I deserved that. . .anyway, I've made my arguments. . .

I'm a communist too.

Gez · 24 Feb 2004, 21:20

He he Badger

........anymore of that and me being a PROUD SCOTSMAN will pull ma Kilt up

Rob The Badger · 24 Feb 2004, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerry

He he Badger

........anymore of that and me being a PROUD SCOTSMAN will pull ma Kilt up

*walks off to have a cold shower*

Gez · 25 Feb 2004, 17:17

'Cold Shower'.....you peering through ma window

badger · 25 Feb 2004, 18:28

To be honest I am not very patriotic at all.
I support my national football team, but that is about it. i think in England there is quite a bit of false patriotism. Like the rugby for instance, loads of people would never watch rugby, then, as soon as it looked like we were going to win something as a country, everyone became huge rugby fans!

I just am not that proud of our country. A lot of our history, more than many other countries, is filled with conquering and destroying othe rpeople, which is a shame. Plus English symbols, like the St Georges cross, are now linked so much with football hooligans and racism, i think it is such a shame.

All of my friends can't understand why I am not really proud to be english, but when I ask them why they are, nobody can give me a reason. As far as I am concerned, my nationality is just where I was born, I am proud of myself, my family and my friends, but a country is too big and I have few links with most of it, so I cannot be proud of it.

Did that make sense? *ducks*!

23 Feb 2004, 17:05	#6
kirstynic Junior Loafer Join Date: 30.01.2004 Location: kent uk Posts: 26	proud to be british i am proud to be british

22 Feb 2004, 17:07	#1
ladyloaf69 Banned Join Date: 22.09.2003 Posts: 186	i am proud to be an american.

23 Feb 2004, 15:31	#3
Skeleton Mega Loafer Join Date: 13.10.2003 Location: Grinning, Ducking & Running Posts: 3,668	I´m so proud that I´m Finnish.

23 Feb 2004, 16:29	#4
native texan Super Loafer Join Date: 03.01.2004 Location: I was gambling in Havana Posts: 232	That's great! I wish I knew more about Finland

23 Feb 2004, 16:53	#5
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	This was going a little off topic from the discussion about strange laws. Split to new thread . Incidently, i'm British and proud of it We're so tough, we conqoured half the world We're so nice, we gave it all back

23 Feb 2004, 17:48	#8
ChrissybabezNI Super Loafer Join Date: 18.11.2003 Location: Carrickfergus, Northern Ireland Posts: 352	Thats good, Im proud to be British too Very proud

23 Feb 2004, 18:52	#9
airhead the enchanted spleen Join Date: 12.02.2004 Location: ok, you see that sweet little cottage? I live next door in the nuthouse. Posts: 1,909	I CAN HEAR THE GUITAR PLAYING GOD SAVE THE QUEEN... WE GAVE YOU: THE BEATLES YOUR COUNTRY THE ROLLING STONES THE GENIUSES CALLED THE SEX PISTOLS (THATS ALL I CAN THINK OF AT THE MOMENT) BY THE WAY, WHATS IT LIKE BEING AMERICAN?

23 Feb 2004, 19:27	#10
native texan Super Loafer Join Date: 03.01.2004 Location: I was gambling in Havana Posts: 232	is that a serious question, or just a jab?

23 Feb 2004, 20:27	#12
Rob The Badger Too sexy for this post Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,895	. . .this is the single most offensive thing I will ever say here, do not read on if you care: Nationalism and patriotism is the most foolish endeavour in the history of man. These along with religion are the sole causes of war.

23 Feb 2004, 20:31	#13
Gez Knicker thief Join Date: 17.04.2003 Location: auch...not on the fence Posts: 5,633	Mmmmmmmmm

24 Feb 2004, 20:21	#17
Keep Rocking Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Sitting on the steps outside, looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 820	I think most Germans don't dare to say "We are proud to be German" because it always arouses negative associations. I know that we cannot be proud at all about the Nazi area; I really,really detest what happend then (but I don't think that's a topic to be discused here) But why can't we be proud of the development of the last decades or the great historical people (Goethe, Schiller, Bach,...) which were all Germans?! I'm proud to be German (in the most positive meaning) Yvonne

24 Feb 2004, 21:10	#21
Rob The Badger Too sexy for this post Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,895	I realise I deserved that. . .anyway, I've made my arguments. . . I'm a communist too.

24 Feb 2004, 21:20	#22
Gez Knicker thief Join Date: 17.04.2003 Location: auch...not on the fence Posts: 5,633	He he Badger ........anymore of that and me being a PROUD SCOTSMAN will pull ma Kilt up

25 Feb 2004, 17:17	#24
Gez Knicker thief Join Date: 17.04.2003 Location: auch...not on the fence Posts: 5,633	'Cold Shower'.....you peering through ma window

25 Feb 2004, 18:28	#25
badger Super Loafer Join Date: 23.10.2002 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 511	To be honest I am not very patriotic at all. I support my national football team, but that is about it. i think in England there is quite a bit of false patriotism. Like the rugby for instance, loads of people would never watch rugby, then, as soon as it looked like we were going to win something as a country, everyone became huge rugby fans! I just am not that proud of our country. A lot of our history, more than many other countries, is filled with conquering and destroying othe rpeople, which is a shame. Plus English symbols, like the St Georges cross, are now linked so much with football hooligans and racism, i think it is such a shame. All of my friends can't understand why I am not really proud to be english, but when I ask them why they are, nobody can give me a reason. As far as I am concerned, my nationality is just where I was born, I am proud of myself, my family and my friends, but a country is too big and I have few links with most of it, so I cannot be proud of it. Did that make sense? ducks!