Meat Loaf logo (and it's varations)

**RadioMaster** · 24 Sep 2008, 18:05

I used to think that the Meat Loaf writing was something that came up while BOOH was produced, to help the baroque/larger than life image. But a similar writing is also used on Stoney & ML. So who came up with this?
And is there any copyright to it? I always thought there was, but how could it have been used between all the different labels and record companies from 1971 (Stoney) to 2008 (3 Bats live)?

*AndyK* · 24 Sep 2008, 18:13

Isn't it the case that it's a copyright/trademark of the mixture of the font and that the the words "Meat Loaf" are completely indistinguishably linked with Meat Loaf himself. So, it's effectively his own copyright/trademark which is therefore transferable between whichever record company he's dealing with.

In the same way that the Rolling Stones tongue logo is identifiable as belonging to the Stones.

AndrewG · 24 Sep 2008, 18:38

Doubt the font/type face/writing whatever itself can be coyrighted as it appears to be "Bradley Gratis", downloadable from the net. Therefore if you were to change just one letter as in the case of Maet Loaf you cannot complain about coyright, at least it would become a lot more difficult.
However as you know who had a dispute with Meat about his van that seemed fair to me as he did have "Meat Loaf" on it and was parading it around the Liverpool gig in the VIP parking area in 2005 (NOT 2007 as what was claimed in a news paper article).
On ticket stubs it clearly states you cannot advertise towards the public attending the gig (no flyers, cds you can give out), so in effect this was a rightful action on Meat's part imo considering the writing on the van.

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2008, 18:38

There's a believe a font which you can download - don't ask me where now, but I had it sometime ago before my old PC crashed which was the same writing as Meat's Logo...

But as we've seen from a tribute already (not naming anyone) - you have to have permission to use the logo and the words "MeatLoaf" on your whatever - right, hint: campervan/tour bus thingy.

Hence he had to get rid of it.... SO I guess it wil be copyrighted and that you have to have permission.

Thats my understanding of this anyways

mszee · 24 Sep 2008, 18:41

I don't think that word "meatloaf" is copyrighted - not entirely possible since it's a dinner dish...otherwise, can't tell...

*AndyK* · 24 Sep 2008, 18:48

Try looking here

Or using this

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2008, 19:05

I have a question...my understanding was that it was a specially made font and even though there are other similar ones there are none that are identical and therefore it cannot be used due to copyright, so what about people who have a tattoo of the ML logo? Does that come under some kind of 'personal use' because it's not being used to make profit or anything?

AndrewG · 24 Sep 2008, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

I have a question...my understanding was that it was a specially made font and even though there are other similar ones there are none that are identical and therefore it cannot be used due to copyright, so what about people who have a tattoo of the ML logo? Does that come under some kind of 'personal use' because it's not being used to make profit or anything?

Nope it all belongs to Meat so the skin has to be shreaded off your body immediately and be sent to Meat via FedEx asap.

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2008, 19:56

He said in one of the M&Gs that he "doesn't do skin" so I think people will be fine!

R. · 24 Sep 2008, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Doubt the font/type face/writing whatever itself can be coyrighted as it appears to be "Bradley Gratis", downloadable from the net.

Copyright and free availability are two completely different things.

Meat Loaf written using "Bradley Gratis" comes very close, but there still are some more ore less subtle differences ...

duke knooby · 24 Sep 2008, 23:59

is the slimline bat 2 onwards font same as the early font???

**RadioMaster** · 25 Sep 2008, 00:00

just streched a bit

duke knooby · 25 Sep 2008, 00:01

slimmed down a bit i'd have thought.. so what went on with the blind before i stop font???

gave up on the gothic style for a while??

**The Flying Mouse** · 25 Sep 2008, 00:07

Would seem so.

BBIS and Meat Loaf Live both had his name in the non gothic script.

**RadioMaster** · 25 Sep 2008, 00:11

I guess the gothic font on bat2 should symbolize a 'going back to the roots' of BOOH, same with the frilly shirt, etc.

and just like the Loaf also the font had been slimmed down

**The Flying Mouse** · 25 Sep 2008, 00:13

Could be, but what about Midnight and Bad Attitude?

They both used the gothic script.

**RadioMaster** · 25 Sep 2008, 00:15

midnight did?

carole · 25 Sep 2008, 01:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Nope it all belongs to Meat so the skin has to be shreaded off your body immediately and be sent to Meat via FedEx asap.

Now that sounds extremely painful!!!
Carole

AndrewG · 25 Sep 2008, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by carole

Now that sounds extremely painful!!!
Carole

One of the reasons I don't have any tattoos!

**The Flying Mouse** · 25 Sep 2008, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

midnight did?

My bad

They used A slightly gothic script, just not THE gothic script.

evil nickname · 25 Sep 2008, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

They used A slightly gothic script, just not THE gothic script.

Actually, to nitpick, the typeface used on Midnight is not even remotely gothic (or more precisely, blackletter). It's just a serif like Georgia or Times (New Roman).

24 Sep 2008, 18:05	#1
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Meat Loaf logo (and it's varations) I used to think that the Meat Loaf writing was something that came up while BOOH was produced, to help the baroque/larger than life image. But a similar writing is also used on Stoney & ML. So who came up with this? And is there any copyright to it? I always thought there was, but how could it have been used between all the different labels and record companies from 1971 (Stoney) to 2008 (3 Bats live)?

24 Sep 2008, 18:13	#2
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Isn't it the case that it's a copyright/trademark of the mixture of the font and that the the words "Meat Loaf" are completely indistinguishably linked with Meat Loaf himself. So, it's effectively his own copyright/trademark which is therefore transferable between whichever record company he's dealing with. In the same way that the Rolling Stones tongue logo is identifiable as belonging to the Stones.

24 Sep 2008, 18:38	#3
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Doubt the font/type face/writing whatever itself can be coyrighted as it appears to be "Bradley Gratis", downloadable from the net. Therefore if you were to change just one letter as in the case of Maet Loaf you cannot complain about coyright, at least it would become a lot more difficult. However as you know who had a dispute with Meat about his van that seemed fair to me as he did have "Meat Loaf" on it and was parading it around the Liverpool gig in the VIP parking area in 2005 (NOT 2007 as what was claimed in a news paper article). On ticket stubs it clearly states you cannot advertise towards the public attending the gig (no flyers, cds you can give out), so in effect this was a rightful action on Meat's part imo considering the writing on the van.

24 Sep 2008, 18:38	#4
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	There's a believe a font which you can download - don't ask me where now, but I had it sometime ago before my old PC crashed which was the same writing as Meat's Logo... But as we've seen from a tribute already (not naming anyone) - you have to have permission to use the logo and the words "MeatLoaf" on your whatever - right, hint: campervan/tour bus thingy. Hence he had to get rid of it.... SO I guess it wil be copyrighted and that you have to have permission. Thats my understanding of this anyways

24 Sep 2008, 18:41	#5
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I don't think that word "meatloaf" is copyrighted - not entirely possible since it's a dinner dish...otherwise, can't tell...

24 Sep 2008, 18:48	#6
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Try looking here Or using this

24 Sep 2008, 19:05	#7
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	I have a question...my understanding was that it was a specially made font and even though there are other similar ones there are none that are identical and therefore it cannot be used due to copyright, so what about people who have a tattoo of the ML logo? Does that come under some kind of 'personal use' because it's not being used to make profit or anything?

24 Sep 2008, 19:56	#9
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	He said in one of the M&Gs that he "doesn't do skin" so I think people will be fine!

24 Sep 2008, 23:59	#11
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,884	is the slimline bat 2 onwards font same as the early font???

25 Sep 2008, 00:00	#12
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	just streched a bit

25 Sep 2008, 00:01	#13
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,884	slimmed down a bit i'd have thought.. so what went on with the blind before i stop font??? gave up on the gothic style for a while??

25 Sep 2008, 00:07	#14
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Would seem so. BBIS and Meat Loaf Live both had his name in the non gothic script.

25 Sep 2008, 00:11	#15
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	I guess the gothic font on bat2 should symbolize a 'going back to the roots' of BOOH, same with the frilly shirt, etc. and just like the Loaf also the font had been slimmed down

25 Sep 2008, 00:13	#16
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Could be, but what about Midnight and Bad Attitude? They both used the gothic script.

25 Sep 2008, 00:15	#17
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	midnight did?