Uncle Chris' & Rob's Tech Support - Page 14

Chris · 07 Oct 2006, 15:37

Can you post the string of gibberish please?

I suspect it is all the crap that Frontpage and other WYSIWYG editors stick in tgo pad out pages.

L96 · 08 Oct 2006, 01:45

Erm, I hope not, because I'm just typing away in Notepad.

Gibberish:
< !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd" >

It doesn't have spaces in it, if I don't put them in though, the whole thing vanishes when I hit post.

In the meantime, I've found a heap more learners places, some say I need that gibberish for something called CSS later (whatever the hell that is, and I haven't got that far and I'm not planning to until I have this bit right), and some sites say not to bother.

Which group are lying to me?

Thank you, Chris.

mszee · 08 Oct 2006, 03:43

I am sure Chris will reply to you better but let me see what sense I make out of this and no, you don't need to understand it in order to use it...but this is a header in HTML that browser might use it to validate that it's valid HTML and valid web page.

The string of gibberish tells your editor that the file you're editing is an HTML file and gives it enough information to validate it if it wants to.

CSS is Cascading Style Sheets and although not really complicated will take a little more explanation. If you're writing a lot of similar web pages CSS helps you keep them looking and feel the same way without typing pages and pages of the same code. To make this simple you save certain often used tags in a separate page with .css ending and refer to it in your html page.

And that's how far my knowledge goes and no further...sorry...the rest will have to wait for Chris.

L96 · 08 Oct 2006, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

The string of gibberish tells your editor that the file you're editing is an HTML file and gives it enough information to validate it if it wants to.

Does my Notepad want to validate it? Does this effect anyone else, or is merely to try and make my already confused computer less confused?

Quote:

CSS is Cascading Style Sheets and although not really complicated will take a little more explanation. If you're writing a lot of similar web pages CSS helps you keep them looking and feel the same way without typing pages and pages of the same code. To make this simple you save certain often used tags in a separate page with .css ending and refer to it in your html page.

Can I just cut and paste? I may have failed that in kindy, but it seems to work now.

Quote:

And that's how far my knowledge goes and no further...sorry...the rest will have to wait for Chris.

You have done well, thank you.

In the meantime, I've killed off the gibberish for now, I figure I can add it in later if I need it, right?

mszee · 08 Oct 2006, 12:39

If your page works without "gibberish" it only means that that gibberish came from the html editor that you're not using in which case, it is, indeed a gibberish as far as I know.

If the page truly used CSS heavily, you wouldn't have been able to copy and paste it with it working properly - most of the code would be outside of the HTML page source code of which you're using and references to that code would have done nothing to help you. If you were able to copy and paste and it works - there is no reference to CSS page in the code that you've used.

Why do I keep talking about stuff I know nothing about? Oh yeah...I can't sleep....sorry for any misinformation I might have given here and I am sure I will stand corrected in due time.

R. · 08 Oct 2006, 13:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by L96

Erm, I hope not, because I'm just typing away in Notepad.

Gibberish:
< !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd" >

It doesn't have spaces in it, if I don't put them in though, the whole thing vanishes when I hit post.

In the meantime, I've found a heap more learners places, some say I need that gibberish for something called CSS later (whatever the hell that is, and I haven't got that far and I'm not planning to until I have this bit right), and some sites say not to bother.

Which group are lying to me?

Thank you, Chris.

The "DOCTYPE" line tells the browser, what DTD (=Document Type Definition) the current page is using. In a nutshell, the DTD instructs the browser how to display certain tags in the code. Look here: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html and here: http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/Doctype

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

I am sure Chris will reply to you better but let me see what sense I make out of this and no, you don't need to understand it in order to use it...but this is a header in HTML that browser might use it to validate that it's valid HTML and valid web page.

The string of gibberish tells your editor that the file you're editing is an HTML file and gives it enough information to validate it if it wants to.

CSS is Cascading Style Sheets and although not really complicated will take a little more explanation. If you're writing a lot of similar web pages CSS helps you keep them looking and feel the same way without typing pages and pages of the same code. To make this simple you save certain often used tags in a separate page with .css ending and refer to it in your html page.

And that's how far my knowledge goes and no further...sorry...the rest will have to wait for Chris.

CSS are basically used to separate style elements (colours, fonts, ...) from content elements (HTML, XHTML, ...). For example, with the exception of Black & Gold, all different themes on this site are basically nothing more than different style sheets.

mszee · 08 Oct 2006, 17:22

Thanks, R. I was just trying to explain to a person who just learning about HTML.

But now I have a question. Although I have oversimplified definition of CSS, I thought that .dtd is more important for XML file than HTML.

Is that correct?

**RadioMaster** · 08 Oct 2006, 17:38

my deepest respect and honoration to everybody who uunderstands the whole thing!

R. · 08 Oct 2006, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

Thanks, R. I was just trying to explain to a person who just learning about HTML.

But now I have a question. Although I have oversimplified definition of CSS, I thought that .dtd is more important for XML file than HTML.

Is that correct?

No. http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/Doctype

mszee · 08 Oct 2006, 20:28

Thanks...gotcha...

L96 · 08 Oct 2006, 23:19

Right... *baffled Lotus

According to that link you gave (thanks R!) I DO need that gibberish, because it's going to tell any browser used to look at my site what version of HTML I am using, right?

Next question: according to that link, there are many versions of HTML and doctypes... how the hell do I know which one to use?

Sorry for being such a dumbarse.

mszee · 09 Oct 2006, 01:21

L96 · 09 Oct 2006, 10:43

Whaaaaat?

I can't help being dumb.

At least I'm giving it a shot.

mszee · 09 Oct 2006, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by L96

Whaaaaat?

I can't help being dumb.

At least I'm giving it a shot.

Was drunk last night...I posted that

in every thread I could find with my eyes half closed...please disregard

R. · 09 Oct 2006, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by L96

Right... *baffled Lotus

According to that link you gave (thanks R!) I DO need that gibberish, because it's going to tell any browser used to look at my site what version of HTML I am using, right?

Next question: according to that link, there are many versions of HTML and doctypes... how the hell do I know which one to use?

Sorry for being such a dumbarse.

Start with HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0/1.1.

L96 · 09 Oct 2006, 23:02

HA! I know what you mean! And I know which one my random typing translates into!!!!!

Thank you, R, Chris, Mszee and R.

Last question for now, I promise.

I have just managed lists, with dot points (unordered lists?). I can make my dots circles, hollow circles, squares, numbers, Roman Numerals... is there a way to make my dots anything else? Such as palm trees, or cricket balls, or.... ?

Then I'm going to go away and shut up, I promise.

Paul191 · 10 Oct 2006, 02:06

My 'itunes' is in a different language and I don't understand anything on there. Do you know how I changed back to english? I have tried reinstalling the software but it is still in the other language.

Thanks.

Chris · 10 Oct 2006, 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by L96

HA! I know what you mean! And I know which one my random typing translates into!!!!!

Thank you, R, Chris, Mszee and R.

Last question for now, I promise.

I have just managed lists, with dot points (unordered lists?). I can make my dots circles, hollow circles, squares, numbers, Roman Numerals... is there a way to make my dots anything else? Such as palm trees, or cricket balls, or.... ?

Then I'm going to go away and shut up, I promise.

I presume you are listing item using the <DD> code to precede each item. If so, between the <DD> and the list item, insert an IMG SRC code pointing at the image you wish to use as your bullet.

Hypnobabe · 10 Oct 2006, 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul191

My 'itunes' is in a different language and I don't understand anything on there. Do you know how I changed back to english? I have tried reinstalling the software but it is still in the other language.

Thanks.

Just looking at my version, try going to the second menu list along, then the last one in the list. There should be a drop down menu at the bottom of the pop-up page which is the language option.

L96 · 10 Oct 2006, 13:42

Erm, no... something called <ul>... I'm a beginner

Thanks for your help so far, I imagined about 20 different possibilities for how to do it at work today, so will go trial and error. One is bound to work!

(There's optimism

)

Thanks, Chris

Paul191 · 10 Oct 2006, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hypnobabe

Just looking at my version, try going to the second menu list along, then the last one in the list. There should be a drop down menu at the bottom of the pop-up page which is the language option.

Thank you very much. I've just managed to sort it out.

Paul

R. · 10 Oct 2006, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by L96

I have just managed lists, with dot points (unordered lists?). I can make my dots circles, hollow circles, squares, numbers, Roman Numerals... is there a way to make my dots anything else? Such as palm trees, or cricket balls, or.... ?

Use css.
<ul style="list-style-image: url(pathtoimagefile)">

L96 · 10 Oct 2006, 23:56

No, no, no, no, no. Learning this first bit, don't make me learn to truss ceilings before I know how to pour the slab, please.

Maybe I misunderstood, I thought CSS was a template type of thingy?

Thanks for your help, R and Chris, I feel it is time to stop over-reaching though, and go back to simple. Cheers anyhow.

Paul191 · 17 Oct 2006, 15:17

Do you know hgow I can upload videos and images please? I have lots of great vids and photos from the RAH!

When I try to upload them it just says that the file is too big.

Thanks.

**RadioMaster** · 21 Oct 2006, 15:33

OK guys let´s see if anybody can help me:

A friend from the forum sent me a dvd which he recorded from a particular Meat Loaf wembley 82 vhs.

I was very disappointed that the sound and the pictures dont run synchron, the sound is about 10 sec ahead of the pictures. The weird thing is that it´s getting worse with the time, the beginning is still synchron, but it´s getting worse with the time. (I think the sound may be a wee bit faster than the video, that´s the only explanation i can think of).

Any ideas how I could fix it?
(please speak in a language a dummy like me understands)

07 Oct 2006, 15:37	#326
Chris Mega Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Somewhere in the real world. Posts: 7,527	Can you post the string of gibberish please? I suspect it is all the crap that Frontpage and other WYSIWYG editors stick in tgo pad out pages.

08 Oct 2006, 01:45	#327
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Erm, I hope not, because I'm just typing away in Notepad. Gibberish: < !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd" > It doesn't have spaces in it, if I don't put them in though, the whole thing vanishes when I hit post. In the meantime, I've found a heap more learners places, some say I need that gibberish for something called CSS later (whatever the hell that is, and I haven't got that far and I'm not planning to until I have this bit right), and some sites say not to bother. Which group are lying to me? Thank you, Chris.

08 Oct 2006, 03:43	#328
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	I am sure Chris will reply to you better but let me see what sense I make out of this and no, you don't need to understand it in order to use it...but this is a header in HTML that browser might use it to validate that it's valid HTML and valid web page. The string of gibberish tells your editor that the file you're editing is an HTML file and gives it enough information to validate it if it wants to. CSS is Cascading Style Sheets and although not really complicated will take a little more explanation. If you're writing a lot of similar web pages CSS helps you keep them looking and feel the same way without typing pages and pages of the same code. To make this simple you save certain often used tags in a separate page with .css ending and refer to it in your html page. And that's how far my knowledge goes and no further...sorry...the rest will have to wait for Chris.

08 Oct 2006, 12:39	#330
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	If your page works without "gibberish" it only means that that gibberish came from the html editor that you're not using in which case, it is, indeed a gibberish as far as I know. If the page truly used CSS heavily, you wouldn't have been able to copy and paste it with it working properly - most of the code would be outside of the HTML page source code of which you're using and references to that code would have done nothing to help you. If you were able to copy and paste and it works - there is no reference to CSS page in the code that you've used. Why do I keep talking about stuff I know nothing about? Oh yeah...I can't sleep....sorry for any misinformation I might have given here and I am sure I will stand corrected in due time.

08 Oct 2006, 17:22	#332
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Thanks, R. I was just trying to explain to a person who just learning about HTML. But now I have a question. Although I have oversimplified definition of CSS, I thought that .dtd is more important for XML file than HTML. Is that correct?

08 Oct 2006, 17:38	#333
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	my deepest respect and honoration to everybody who uunderstands the whole thing!

08 Oct 2006, 20:28	#335
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Thanks...gotcha...

08 Oct 2006, 23:19	#336
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Right... *baffled Lotus According to that link you gave (thanks R!) I DO need that gibberish, because it's going to tell any browser used to look at my site what version of HTML I am using, right? Next question: according to that link, there are many versions of HTML and doctypes... how the hell do I know which one to use? Sorry for being such a dumbarse.

09 Oct 2006, 01:21	#337
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252

09 Oct 2006, 10:43	#338
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Whaaaaat? I can't help being dumb. At least I'm giving it a shot.

09 Oct 2006, 23:02	#341
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	HA! I know what you mean! And I know which one my random typing translates into!!!!! Thank you, R, Chris, Mszee and R. Last question for now, I promise. I have just managed lists, with dot points (unordered lists?). I can make my dots circles, hollow circles, squares, numbers, Roman Numerals... is there a way to make my dots anything else? Such as palm trees, or cricket balls, or.... ? Then I'm going to go away and shut up, I promise.

10 Oct 2006, 02:06	#342
Paul191 Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.11.2005 Location: Posts: 1,530	My 'itunes' is in a different language and I don't understand anything on there. Do you know how I changed back to english? I have tried reinstalling the software but it is still in the other language. Thanks.

10 Oct 2006, 13:42	#345
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Erm, no... something called <ul>... I'm a beginner Thanks for your help so far, I imagined about 20 different possibilities for how to do it at work today, so will go trial and error. One is bound to work! (There's optimism ) Thanks, Chris

10 Oct 2006, 23:56	#348
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	No, no, no, no, no. Learning this first bit, don't make me learn to truss ceilings before I know how to pour the slab, please. Maybe I misunderstood, I thought CSS was a template type of thingy? Thanks for your help, R and Chris, I feel it is time to stop over-reaching though, and go back to simple. Cheers anyhow.

17 Oct 2006, 15:17	#349
Paul191 Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.11.2005 Location: Posts: 1,530	Do you know hgow I can upload videos and images please? I have lots of great vids and photos from the RAH! When I try to upload them it just says that the file is too big. Thanks.

21 Oct 2006, 15:33	#350
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	OK guys let´s see if anybody can help me: A friend from the forum sent me a dvd which he recorded from a particular Meat Loaf wembley 82 vhs. I was very disappointed that the sound and the pictures dont run synchron, the sound is about 10 sec ahead of the pictures. The weird thing is that it´s getting worse with the time, the beginning is still synchron, but it´s getting worse with the time. (I think the sound may be a wee bit faster than the video, that´s the only explanation i can think of). Any ideas how I could fix it? (please speak in a language a dummy like me understands)