Rank the Songs Greatest To Least: Jim Steinman's Bad For Good - Page 3

Wario · 12 Sep 2010, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Pudding

If you got told the truth would you believe it? Seems lately you you have an agenda on versions of facts.

Steve6 · 12 Sep 2010, 00:45

The facts of BFG were disputed by me, because a lot of the sources that I heard my info from were reliable.

Meat Loaf didn't like the songs on BFG he said that himself that's not a lie.
Meat Loaf lost his voice around that period, and couldn't sing the songs..that was well documented.
His relationship with Jim Steinman was starting to show cracks...that was also well documented..
I thought I was right about the contract, but Fireball cleared that up for me. Jim wasn't on the contract.

But one thing that confuses me... Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH. I can't see why Jim would plan to do BFG without Meat. But the question is did Jim really get greedy then??? and go for self glory?? It could be something that will never get answered.

duke knooby · 12 Sep 2010, 00:52

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH.

i bet meat wished he knew he was contracted to sing bfg/renegade angel

Pudding · 12 Sep 2010, 01:45

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Originally Posted by Steve6

But one thing that confuses me...

Only the one?

Steve6 · 12 Sep 2010, 02:29

Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?

AndrewG · 12 Sep 2010, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?

Why don't you ask Meat or Jim? You are just fuelling all sorts of conspiracies and rumours. No wonder Meat told you, you were wrong.

Back to ranking:

Left In The Dark
Bad For Good
Surfs Up
Frying Pan
Rock & Roll Dreams
Dance In My Pants
The Storm
Love and Death and an American Guitar
Stark Raving Love
Lost Boys & Golden Girls

Fire Ball · 12 Sep 2010, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Steve6

The facts of BFG were disputed by me, because a lot of the sources that I heard my info from were reliable.

Meat Loaf didn't like the songs on BFG he said that himself that's not a lie.
Meat Loaf lost his voice around that period, and couldn't sing the songs..that was well documented.
His relationship with Jim Steinman was starting to show cracks...that was also well documented..
I thought I was right about the contract, but Fireball cleared that up for me. Jim wasn't on the contract.

But one thing that confuses me... Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH. I can't see why Jim would plan to do BFG without Meat. But the question is did Jim really get greedy then??? and go for self glory?? It could be something that will never get answered.

that is not the truth. didn't like stark raving love or DIMP . LOVE THE REST
get your facts right !!! All they had to do was wait a few more months there was no rush. What do they say" money is the root of all evil "!!
Truth !!

Fire Ball · 12 Sep 2010, 11:31

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Originally Posted by daveake

We should put you in touch with Mad Susan from Rockman. She'd put you straight ...

Mad Susan ,LOL tell her to glad in the same clothes she got mad in. Or go into rehab. The Pool at the Hardrock in vegas and get laid and drunk. Maybe she doesn't have a beach body like I do. !!

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Fire Ball · 12 Sep 2010, 11:59

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?

Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
m
Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-bur...ws/145908.html

Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan

love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M

GDW · 12 Sep 2010, 13:00

Meat. Maybe back in 1981 you could have used the best songs off Bad For Good and the best songs off Deadringer and called it Badringer, a double album. The first record sung by you and the second record by Jim. Just a thought.

daveake · 12 Sep 2010, 13:17

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Mad Susan ,LOL tell her to ... go into rehab. ... get laid and drunk.

Looks like she only managed 1 outta 3 but it didn't work

carole · 12 Sep 2010, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
m
Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-bur...ws/145908.html

Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan

love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M

Thanks for the insight Meat, and you do wear your heart on your sleeve, that's one of the things we love about you. And that's right, you are a teddy bear.

Carole

Vickip · 12 Sep 2010, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-bur...ws/145908.html

Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan

love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M

Thanks for posting the link Meat

That was a great interview and movie.
We know you wear your heart on your sleeve, and you're definitely a big teddy bear. Just keep doing what you do best and having fun .. that's the main thing

DAM SANSU

Sorry to go off topic

Vicki

Steve6 · 12 Sep 2010, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
m
Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-bur...ws/145908.html

Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan

love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M

I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us. I wasn't posting facts when I was writing the stuff I wrote, instead I was looking to validate the facts I had. A lot of the stuff that happened between 1978 and 81 have been told in many different ways by many different people.
I feel sorry for Jim to be honest. BFG makes him look greedy, and a glory seeker, but it looked to me like he spent his whole career being pushed into doing things by the people around him, or influenced by others would be a better way of putting it, who wanted to use him. Maybe he was advised wrongly to push ahead and do BFG on his own by Sonenberg or someone else. When I listen to BFG the songs lack the perfection that you would assoicate with every Jim Steinman song released before it and after. I don't know why I think it, but I always got the feeling his heart wasn't in the right place when doing that album, and you would know it by listening to it.

daveake · 12 Sep 2010, 18:23

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Originally Posted by carole

Thanks for the insight Meat, and you do wear your heart on your sleeve, that's one of the things we love about you. And that's right, you are a teddy bear.

Carole

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Originally Posted by Vickip

Thanks for posting the link Meat

That was a great interview and movie. We know you wear your heart on your sleeve, and you're definitely a big teddy bear.

Vicki

Blimey, are you two the same person?

AndrewG · 12 Sep 2010, 19:02

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Originally Posted by Steve6

I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us. I wasn't posting facts when I was writing the stuff I wrote, instead I was looking to validate the facts I had. A lot of the stuff that happened between 1978 and 81 have been told in many different ways by many different people.
I feel sorry for Jim to be honest. BFG makes him look greedy, and a glory seeker, but it looked to me like he spent his whole career being pushed into doing things by the people around him, or influenced by others would be a better way of putting it, who wanted to use him. Maybe he was advised wrongly to push ahead and do BFG on his own by Sonenberg or someone else. When I listen to BFG the songs lack the perfection that you would assoicate with every Jim Steinman song released before it and after. I don't know why I think it, but I always got the feeling his heart wasn't in the right place when doing that album, and you would know it by listening to it.

I'm getting the impression Jim is being "pushed" MUCH more now then he was in those days.

I also don't hear the lack of perfection that you are on about. I think the BFG production is superb and only lacked Meat on vocals but it was interesting hearing some Steinman vocals too, I don't think he is such a terrible singer as many here seem to think. Dance in my pants was too childish imo and Stark Raving love was about nothing really, but at least we got a great guitar duel. Other than that it's a great collection of songs and the production on Left in the Dark / Surf's Up and Bad for Good is pretty much perfect I'd say, though the Brian May intro on Meat's version on BFG was a lovely touch. Rory singing on most of the difficult songs ("Surf's Up" in G!!!) is a bit of a farce though. Can't believe they got away with doing that.

Wario · 12 Sep 2010, 19:08

the thing I never understood:

If meat hated SRL and DIMP so much, why not let Jim sing those two songs and he do the rest?

and why was the record company impatient? Didnt they realise that they had a bomb on there hands by ridding the album of the main guy?

Man thats the proper term for stupid

AndrewG · 12 Sep 2010, 19:13

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

If meat hated SRL and DIMP so much, why not let Jim sing those two songs and he do the rest?

Or forget about Jim singing and replace those songs with I'll Kill if you don't come back and Dead Ringer and it would have been pretty much as good as Bat 1 imo.

Steve6 · 12 Sep 2010, 19:36

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

I'm getting the impression Jim is being "pushed" MUCH more now then he was in those days

The Steincamp have him locked in his mansion these days. They won't let him blog anymore, they won't let him share any info on what he's doing, they didn't want him to share his music even though HE wanted to. They didn't tell the fans when he was sick. He was bullied out of his own musical DOTV and god knows what else that we don't know about. Jim has ALWAYS been pushed around.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

I also don't hear the lack of perfection that you are on about. I think the BFG production is superb and only lacked Meat on vocals but it was interesting hearing some Steinman vocals too, I don't think he is such a terrible singer as many here seem to think. Dance in my pants was too childish imo and Stark Raving love was about nothing really, but at least we got a great guitar duel. Other than that it's a great collection of songs and the production on Left in the Dark / Surf's Up and Bad for Good is pretty much perfect I'd say, though the Brian May intro on Meat's version on BFG was a lovely touch. Rory singing on most of the difficult songs ("Surf's Up" in G!!!) is a bit of a farce though. Can't believe they got away with doing that.

Theres no perfection on BFG. Listen to BOOH which was made with little money then listen to BFG which I'm sure had more money, and which do you think is better in terms of quality and production? BFG sounds like it was recorded in a garage with thrash cans for drums. Well you are at it listen to the Original Sin album by Pandoras Box. That's Steinman perfection. BFG lacked everything that you'd associate with Jim's production work. Having Rory doing some of the vocals shows you are unsure about things to... which is something you wouldn't associate with a Steinman production.

AndrewG · 12 Sep 2010, 20:29

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Theres no perfection on BFG. Listen to BOOH which was made with little money then listen to BFG which I'm sure had more money, and which do you think is better in terms of quality and production? BFG sounds like it was recorded in a garage with thrash cans for drums.

There must be something wrong with your ears or your copy of BFG because the drums sound great on BFG with in fact a lot more dynamics at play than on the original Bat out of Hell.

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Well you are at it listen to the Original Sin album by Pandoras Box. That's Steinman perfection.

That's your opinion. AFL comes MUCH closer to Steinman perfection in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Steve6

BFG lacked everything that you'd associate with Jim's production work.

That is pretty much just as ridiculous as saying the drums are an easy instrument to play. The Album is filled to the brim with Steinman-esque production qualities with regards to instrumentation, arrangements, pounding pianos, vast background vocals and dynamics. For it's time it's a fantastic sounding album in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Having Rory doing some of the vocals shows you are unsure about things to... which is something you wouldn't associate with a Steinman production.

I wouldn't call that unsure, it is much more striving for the perfection which you say isn't on the album. Yet in that case I think the decision for striving for vocal perfection is insanity when using an artist who is not even credited on the cover of the album. If I buy a Meat Loaf album, I don't expect Jim Steinman vocals and when I buy a Jim Steinman album I don't expect Rory Dodd vocals.

*AndyK* · 12 Sep 2010, 20:40

If Meat had recorded BfG (or Renegade Angel or whatever it was going to be called) with a vocal that was as strong as it was on Bat, then it would IMO without a doubt have been the benchmark that every other subsequent artist was measured against when they released their "tricky second album".

LucyK! · 12 Sep 2010, 20:46

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

...Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co...

Great to see Max, and especially Roy, getting the credit they deserve...Roy Bittan is an absolute hero

Steve6 · 12 Sep 2010, 21:05

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

There must be something wrong with your ears or your copy of BFG because the drums sound great on BFG with in fact a lot more dynamics at play than on the original Bat out of Hell

That's your opinion and I respect that. I disagree... but we'll move on.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

That is pretty much just as ridiculous as saying the drums are an easy instrument to play. The Album is filled to the brim with Steinman-esque production qualities with regards to instrumentation, arrangements, pounding pianos, vast background vocals and dynamics. For it's time it's a fantastic sounding album in my opinion

You have limited Steinman-esque qualities in the album. It COULD have been a hell of a lot better. But saying it's a fanastic sounding album is going way over the top, it's a good album. If it was fantastic it would have been a success, and it did poorly in the end. Also listen to the songs left in the dark, surfs up, out of the frying pan, rock & roll dreams that were recorded again on different albums.. it makes the quality of the BFG one seem very poor. Yet again that's my opinion.

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Originally Posted by AndrewG

Yet in that case I think the decision for striving for vocal perfection is insanity when using an artist who is not even credited on the cover of the album. If I buy a Meat Loaf album, I don't expect Jim Steinman vocals and when I buy a Jim Steinman album I don't expect Rory Dodd vocals.

Exactly which makes me wonder why such a thing DID happen on BFG. That's why I think Jim's heart wasn't in the right place around that period.

Fire Ball · 12 Sep 2010, 23:26

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Originally Posted by Steve6

I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us. I wasn't posting facts when I was writing the stuff I wrote, instead I was looking to validate the facts I had. A lot of the stuff that happened between 1978 and 81 have been told in many different ways by many different people.
I feel sorry for Jim to be honest. BFG makes him look greedy, and a glory seeker, but it looked to me like he spent his whole career being pushed into doing things by the people around him, or influenced by others would be a better way of putting it, who wanted to use him. Maybe he was advised wrongly to push ahead and do BFG on his own by Sonenberg or someone else. When I listen to BFG the songs lack the perfection that you would assoicate with every Jim Steinman song released before it and after. I don't know why I think it, but I always got the feeling his heart wasn't in the right place when doing that album, and you would know it by listening to it.

Yes he was pushed , they told him I would never do anything again. They played on his ego to be a rock Star. They could have waited to see what happen , I was working with someone on my my voice and it worked just took about a year and a half.
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Wario · 12 Sep 2010, 23:43

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Yes he was pushed , they told him I would never do anything again. They played on his ego to be a rock Star. They could have waited to see what happen , I was working with someone on my my voice and it worked just took about a year and a half.
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Epic was not so Epic

12 Sep 2010, 00:45	#52
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	The facts of BFG were disputed by me, because a lot of the sources that I heard my info from were reliable. Meat Loaf didn't like the songs on BFG he said that himself that's not a lie. Meat Loaf lost his voice around that period, and couldn't sing the songs..that was well documented. His relationship with Jim Steinman was starting to show cracks...that was also well documented.. I thought I was right about the contract, but Fireball cleared that up for me. Jim wasn't on the contract. But one thing that confuses me... Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH. I can't see why Jim would plan to do BFG without Meat. But the question is did Jim really get greedy then??? and go for self glory?? It could be something that will never get answered.

12 Sep 2010, 02:29	#55
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?

12 Sep 2010, 13:00	#60
GDW Super Loafer Join Date: 26.03.2010 Location: Perth Posts: 984	Meat. Maybe back in 1981 you could have used the best songs off Bad For Good and the best songs off Deadringer and called it Badringer, a double album. The first record sung by you and the second record by Jim. Just a thought.

12 Sep 2010, 19:08	#67
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	the thing I never understood: If meat hated SRL and DIMP so much, why not let Jim sing those two songs and he do the rest? and why was the record company impatient? Didnt they realise that they had a bomb on there hands by ridding the album of the main guy? Man thats the proper term for stupid

12 Sep 2010, 20:40	#71
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	If Meat had recorded BfG (or Renegade Angel or whatever it was going to be called) with a vocal that was as strong as it was on Bat, then it would IMO without a doubt have been the benchmark that every other subsequent artist was measured against when they released their "tricky second album".