Upcoming GLEE Rocky Horror Episode

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by Dave

The movie is intolerable without the audience fun.

I've never been to a Rocky Horror show but I assume you're right as I think the film is dreadful.

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by Evil One

I've never been to a Rocky Horror show but I assume you're right as I think the film is dreadful.

I like some of the songs from the film and could appreciate those cut from the film and shown as videos, but as a whole, the film lives me with a queasy feel to my stomach. I've only watched it start to finish once and that was enough for me.

[Dave]

It is definitely a film you should see with a good, live shadow cast performing along with the film and a rowdy audience armed with rice, toast, and squirt guns shouting clever quips as the film progresses. You cannot judge this film if you have simply sat at home and watched it.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Dave

You cannot judge this film if you have simply sat at home and watched it.

Of course you can, it's a shit film, the live show on the other hand is a different experience. Watching Phantom Of The Opera live is a different experience to watching that piece of shit crap film with Gerard 'I can't f*cking sing' Butler in it.

[RadioMaster]

I thought the glee thing was pretty good. I liked it that they did their own thing and not just copy the show/lyrics/arrangemens 1:1

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Of course you can, it's a shit film, the live show on the other hand is a different experience. Watching Phantom Of The Opera live is a different experience to watching that piece of shit crap film with Gerard 'I can't f*cking sing' Butler in it.

With apologies to Dave if I have completely misunderstood, but I think the point is that watching the film at home is not the definitive or complete rocky horror experience. I actually really like the film, but it is made into a completely different experience if you go and see it in a cinema or theatre.

Forgive me if I am wrong Pud but you mention the film version You watch at home and the live theatre version. There is a 3rd way you might not be aware of from the sound Of it... they play the fiLm in a cinema or theatre and the audience plays along by dressing up, singing along, making witty remarks, and apparently hurling toast although this is not something I have experienced in my limited number of viewings!

I think Dave is saying that it is this level of interactivity that really transforms the film, and while you certainly can judge it on its own merits without all that, its not really the whole picture.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

I thought the glee thing was pretty good. I liked it that they did their own thing and not just copy the show/lyrics/arrangemens 1:1

Cant say that they didnt copy the basic arrangement but i agree with everything else

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

I think Dave is saying that it is this level of interactivity that really transforms the film, and while you certainly can judge it on its own merits without all that, its not really the whole picture.

Yes, but how many are willing to openly dress like a transvestite or wear rubber gloves etc out in public prior to seeing the film? The film will be for many the first port of call and probably wouldn't persue an interactive experience. Maybe a modern day remake is needed?

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Yes, but how many are willing to openly dress like a transvestite or wear rubber gloves etc out in public prior to seeing the film? The film will be for many the first port of call and probably wouldn't persue an interactive experience. Maybe a modern day remake is needed?

Lol - there's a question I never thought I'd be answering on the public internet at 7 in the morning!

Anyway, I presume the answer is "quite a lot" either before or after seeing the film, as it is still a cult phenomenon.

As for a remake... no. No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!

Enough with making crappy, uninspired, focus grouped, bland, pointless modern remakes of classic films. Make something new FFS and leave films that millions of people love alone. Or else I shall belt you about the mouth, and... *stops just in time*...

[Jayd]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Lol - there's a question I never thought I'd be answering on the public internet at 7 in the morning!

Anyway, I presume the answer is "quite a lot" either before or after seeing the film, as it is still a cult phenomenon.

As for a remake... no. No, no, no, no, no, no, NO!

Enough with making crappy, uninspired, focus grouped, bland, pointless modern remakes of classic films. Make something new FFS and leave films that millions of people love alone. Or else I shall belt you about the mouth, and... *stops just in time*...

From what I have read on many Cinema and Movie forums recently, I believe a deal for a remake may have been done already, with FOX doing it, instead of MTV, who were planning one a couple of years ago. Watch this space I say, as I think the ball may have started rolling on this one.

[Sue K]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Enough with making crappy, uninspired, focus grouped, bland, pointless modern remakes of classic films. Make something new FFS and leave films that millions of people love alone.

RIGHT ON, LORDIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Enough with making crappy, uninspired, focus grouped, bland, pointless modern remakes of classic films. Make something new FFS and leave films that millions of people love alone.

I second that

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Yes, but how many are willing to openly dress like a transvestite or wear rubber gloves etc out in public prior to seeing the film? The film will be for many the first port of call and probably wouldn't persue an interactive experience. Maybe a modern day remake is needed?

I know we had 650 people we could actually sell tickets to and very few of them were in "normal" attire. We also turned away about 150+ - so quite a few.

As for a remake, I put as much faith in appreciating that as I do in appreciating someone trying to re-create a Bat Out Of Hell. If it ain't got the original pieces to play with, the puzzle just don't work.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Enough with making crappy, uninspired, focus grouped, bland, pointless modern remakes of classic films. Make something new FFS and leave films that millions of people love alone. Or else I shall belt you about the mouth, and... *stops just in time*...

Would I be correct in assuming your reacting is because there wouldn't be Meat Loaf in it?

Originally Posted by Dave

As for a remake, I put as much faith in appreciating that as I do in appreciating someone trying to re-create a Bat Out Of Hell. If it ain't got the original pieces to play with, the puzzle just don't work.

To quote you Dave - I hate the movie alone, but love the live experience. So I'm not sure how you can compare Bat Out Of Hell to the Rocky Horror film when you've admitted you hate the film

The live interactive experience would never change, a new movie would bring in a new following, just like what Glee did. Unless of course, you're a Rocky Horror snob

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Pudding

Would I be correct in assuming your reacting is because there wouldn't be Meat Loaf in it?

Lol - no, not even close!

Although the addition of Meat Loaf would certainly improve some of the recent batch of remakes, I'm just against the idea of remaking something that is already brilliant and or much loved by a huge army of fans.

Of course, I'm always happy to be proven wrong if the remake turns out to be awesome and even better than the original, but I can't think of too many that turn out that way.

No problem with remaking something that is generally regarded as rubbish or unpopular as long as the remake is better.

[Jayd]

Originally Posted by PanicLord

Of course, I'm always happy to be proven wrong if the remake turns out to be awesome and even better than the original, but I can't think of too many that turn out that way.

2007 Release of Hairspray was better than the 1988 original, so it can be done, but I don't think any director who possibly goes on to remake RHPS, will try to out-do the original, but try do bring it in a different direction. Remember, the original was not a success, it has a cult following for sure, but it still was not a success. But to be honest, I can't think of anyone who could surpass Tim Curry's performance as Frank N Furter, all the rest of the characters are easily replaceable by todays actors. Would be interesting to see how a RHPS of today will pan out.

[Cherry.Loaf]

Originally Posted by Jayd

From what I have read on many Cinema and Movie forums recently, I believe a deal for a remake may have been done already, with FOX doing it, instead of MTV, who were planning one a couple of years ago. Watch this space I say, as I think the ball may have started rolling on this one.

Last I heard MTV crumbled to fan pressure and cancelled it

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Jayd

2007 Release of Hairspray was better than the 1988 original, so it can be done,

Agreed, although that wasn't really a remake. It was a film-of-the-musical-of-the-film. Must make a new word for that.

Originally Posted by Jayd

I don't think any director who possibly goes on to remake RHPS, will try to out-do the original, but try do bring it in a different direction.

That statement is quite a good summary of why I think remakes nearly always end up

Originally Posted by Jayd

Remember, the original was not a success, it has a cult following for sure, but it still was not a success.

It's true that it wasn't a massive immediate box office hit. But it is now the 5th biggest grossing musical ever according to Box Office Mojo. The other top 4 being Chicago, Grease, Hairspray, and Mamma Mia. That's a pretty awesome top 5 imho!

Originally Posted by Jayd

But to be honest, I can't think of anyone who could surpass Tim Curry's performance as Frank N Furter, all the rest of the characters are easily replaceable by todays actors. Would be interesting to see how a RHPS of today will pan out.

Tim Curry was awesome. Don't envy anyone trying to take on that role.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Cherry.Loaf

Last I heard MTV crumbled to fan pressure and cancelled it

Mtv never did have the full rights to go ahead with the project. The current remake is being done by Fox.

[Pudding]

Originally Posted by Jayd

But to be honest, I can't think of anyone who could surpass Tim Curry's performance as Frank N Furter

That's probably because are brains are made in a way that only allows certain first impressions to stick, and any other possibilities don't get a chance.
The role of Frank n Furter would have to be someone famous who you couldn't possibly imagine in fishnets. I reckon Jonny Depp could pull it off.

[GDW]

He would'nt be a Transvestite if he pulled it off.

[Jayd]

Originally Posted by Cherry.Loaf

Last I heard MTV crumbled to fan pressure and cancelled it

FOX has given the green light for a script to be done and given to them to consider. No saying they will definitely go ahead, all depends how good the script will be.

Originally Posted by Pudding

That's probably because are brains are made in a way that only allows certain first impressions to stick, and any other possibilities don't get a chance.
The role of Frank n Furter would have to be someone famous who you couldn't possibly imagine in fishnets. I reckon Jonny Depp could pull it off.

Jonny Depp, did not think of him, and I agree, he may well could pull it off.