Are we spoiled ? - Page 2

Sarge · 06 Mar 2010, 14:45

Suzieq, you made some good points again.

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Originally Posted by suzieq

After HCTB comes out, I don't know if we are going to want a reunited work from that duo again, because what we had was greatness as we knew it.

I don't even know if it's a good idea to compulsively trying to repeat the past. If you want something like Bat Out Of Hell, listen to that record, no other album will ever be like that. Dead Ringer is a good album but was probably made under pressure - which you can hear if you listen attentively. Bat II was a surprise - unexpected but the right album at the right time and totally different from what was played on the radio and on MTV then. Bat III appeared to many as an exploitation of the Bat legacy, especially since Jim Steinman wasn't really involved.

The Jim Steinman / Meat Loaf collaboration is one of the most important in music history but it takes the right time, the right atmosphere and a lot of trust and energy for such collaborations to work, to be successful and to create something great.

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Originally Posted by suzieq

But we have a different avenue to experience and I'm gung ho in keeping Bat as a treasure and exploring a diverse Meat.

Exactly. The day you stop being curious and eager to discover something new you're virtually dead. There are many artists I used to admire but I have lost interest in them since they try to rehash their past. I'm looking forward to hearing a different Meat Loaf.

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Originally Posted by suzieq

Finally, I think HCTB could be a world changing album best selling album for Meat. I just don't think this is his finale' yet. I think he's just been reborn.

I don't know if it will be "world changing" but I'm certain it will get more recognition than his last album. When talking about Bat III he often appeared as if he had to justify it, I haven't seen him act like that when it comes to HCTB. He seems to be very convinced, very confident. He obviously put much energy in the album as well as gained energy from making it. He looks about ten years younger now. I think "reborn" is a good word to describe it.

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Originally Posted by suzieq

Which doesn't make me spoiled, but greedy.

I don't think I'm "spoiled". I've never expected anything from Meat Loaf - except maybe good entertainment.

carole · 06 Mar 2010, 16:05

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Originally Posted by suzieq

I've had fleeting thoughts of Meat ricocheting off the success (being very optimistic) of HCTB and making another album back to back with Rob. Meat has said he'll never work with any other producer. So I was thinking maybe he'd work on another album with Rob.

I don't see Meat waiting for HCTB to breathe as the other works he's done. Back to back albums is something Meat has never done, so it would be a 1st for him but not out of the question. And it doesn't have to be a HCTB II, it could be some other stand alone work.

The only thing I question is timeline, because he's going to tour for HCTB and the way things are reading, he'll be touring still in 2011. So, production started in 2009 for HCTB, promo 2010, tour into 2011. The production of another album could span into 2012 which would be 2 years between albums releasing at the earliest. I suppose in between tours he could log in some studio time so the possibilities are all there to make it closer.

It is fun to speculate and that's all this really is. I just wish Meat has madd success with HCTB and he's had such a different studio experience and we have such a different product now. We may really want more of this raw Meat in your ear sound. Which doesn't make me spoiled, but greedy.

Meat/Jim relationship is a good one from what Meat is saying. After HCTB comes out, I don't know if we are going to want a reunited work from that duo again, because what we had was greatness as we knew it. But we have a different avenue to experience and I'm gung ho in keeping Bat as a treasure and exploring a diverse Meat.

Finally, I think HCTB could be a world changing album best selling album for Meat. I just don't think this is his finale' yet. I think he's just been reborn.

Suzieq

As usual Suzie, you summed it up nicely. I hope Meat has great success with this album as well, he certainly deserves it. And I don't think it's his finale yet either, I think it's a new beginning.

Carole

suzieq · 06 Mar 2010, 19:20

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Originally Posted by RSG

brilliant as always susieq!

i would love to speculate the future of meat loaf; but i honestly bursting at the seams of HCTB. i'm glad meat is in the mood for delivering meaty rock chops. this is a interesting thread. a interesting time. an amazing feeling. bring on april/may!

Thank you RSG, I too am bursting at the seams full of anticipation for HCTB.

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Originally Posted by CarylB

lol Suzie .. as this thread moves, almost inevitably it seems where Meat's work is concerned, into "Will there be/when can we expct a HCTB 2?", I agree with what you say .. in particular the hope that HCTB will be a world changing, best selling album for Meat.

Talk of "what next?" is to me a bit premature .. and like you, I don't see this as a finale, but rather a new treasure yet to be enjoyed. Meat says a new adventure is beginning, and I'm just looking forward to the journey, and more than happy to allow it to unfold

Caryl

I am certainly going to give HCTB all my attention. Be it promo, CD release time, and tour. I don't want to look past it for one second because I've enjoyed the ride so far. I couldn't help my thoughts as fleeting as they were to see bright futures for Meat even post HCTB. The what ifs and the what's next.....is completely premature but fun to speculate early too. Sort of like a mystery. I'm a sucker for a good mystery.

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Suzieq, you made some good points again.

Thanx

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Originally Posted by Sarge

I don't even know if it's a good idea to compulsively trying to repeat the past. If you want something like Bat Out Of Hell, listen to that record, no other album will ever be like that.

The Jim Steinman / Meat Loaf collaboration is one of the most important in music history but it takes the right time, the right atmosphere and a lot of trust and energy for such collaborations to work, to be successful and to create something great.

CHSIB; precisely.

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Originally Posted by Sarge

I don't know if it will be "world changing" but I'm certain it will get more recognition than his last album. When talking about Bat III he often appeared as if he had to justify it, I haven't seen him act like that when it comes to HCTB. He seems to be very convinced, very confident. He obviously put much energy in the album as well as gained energy from making it. He looks about ten years younger now. I think "reborn" is a good word to describe it.

It just may be enough to change the world of music as it stands presently. Concept album = not new a new concept just done different, special and competitively current. I don't even have the CD in my hands yet, nor have I been one of those lucky individuals who had the priveledge of a listening playback....but my gut feeling is going strickly off reviews, Meat's interviews, and tweets.

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Originally Posted by carole

As usual Suzie, you summed it up nicely. I hope Meat has great success with this album as well, he certainly deserves it. And I don't think it's his finale yet either, I think it's a new beginning.

Carole

Thanx Carole, we are often on the same page.

Sometimes I write my thoughts and think they are going to be skimmed over and other times I am surprised at the amount of people that agree or disagree. Either way it's a great way for me to express my views and throw it out there for discussion. Thanks everyone for taking the time to read and respond.

Suzieq

RSG · 06 Mar 2010, 20:54

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Originally Posted by suzieq

Thank you RSG, I too am bursting at the seams full of anticipation for HCTB.Suzieq

Yur welcome!

Pudding · 06 Mar 2010, 21:47

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Originally Posted by Jayd

Never say never though.

Never say never is completely different to sneaky feeling

I'll never say never, but I have no feelings, sneaky or otherwise, that it'll ever happen.

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Originally Posted by suzieq

It is fun to speculate and that's all this really is.

Absolutely no harm in it at all. More TV drama's get my vote.

Jayd · 07 Mar 2010, 00:38

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Never say never is completely different to sneaky feeling

I'll never say never, but I have no feelings, sneaky or otherwise, that it'll ever happen.

Absolutely no harm in it at all. More TV drama's get my vote.

But you nor I will ever know it will happen, unless it actually happens ? So myself having a sneaky feeling it will happen has as much chance as you thinking it won't happen.

**Monstro** · 07 Mar 2010, 01:40

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Originally Posted by Jayd

But you nor I will ever know it will happen, unless it actually happens ? So myself having a sneaky feeling it will happen has as much chance as you thinking it won't happen.

Either I've had too much to drink or not enough because after reading that three times I've come to the conclusion it might as well have been written in Mandarin lol

nikox1 · 07 Mar 2010, 02:40

i too am glad that meat is trying someting new! and its great how happy he is too with this album! and when you see an artist so happy with what they have just done, its usually a good sign

i think los angeloser is a good single choice, its easy going and fun! and if it gets its fair share of radio play, if being the word!! i think its a song the casual buyer will like and maybe download etc etc,,
looking forward to the video, as meat usually comes up with something good!
i really liked bat 3, as just stand alone tracks, most of the songs were pretty good, but maybe the problem was they were good songs put together to make an album? the bat formula was not practised, lets say!! but i always defended it, because meat tried hes very best to pull off the impossible! i still believe to this day that even if jim was in full control of it? it would never of lived up to the hype!! jaws 1 = original, jaws 2 = you pulled it off, jaws 3 = in peoples eyes its the cash cow!! imo it was a very good album, but to others? maybe not!!
now with hctb it seems there was nothing expected, most maybe thought meat would not make another album? the pressure was off, and just like in 1977 meat found the right producer and it felt like something new for meat!
i dont know what to expect? im really excited about this album [ as i am for all hes albums ] but when i read some reviews, and heard all the great things people are saying, i just cant wait! and like all the fans out there, i want it to do well, storm the charts!
the promo has been very good so far [ fantastic in australia ] and i hope it continues going well everywhere! but the record company must keep pushing it, meat is working hes ass off, and im sure theres lots more tv shows to be done etc etc,, but so far so good! so at the moment i dont have a clue how well its gonna sell? you know when you put a bat in the title = big sales, and you always have a fair idea how other albums may do, but with hctb?
los angeloser is a different style for meat, i think its great fun, fresh!!
its aimed at getting airplay, some new fans, etc etc,,
now 90% of the people on this website liked it, took to it after a few listens
but you have millions of fans outside of here, and the truth is some dont like change! who knows what the majority of fans will think? so just enjoy the build up, enjoy the album its self, get ready for the tour, because this album is a dark horse? but sometimes a dark horse wins

Jayd · 07 Mar 2010, 09:13

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Originally Posted by Monstro

Either I've had too much to drink or not enough because after reading that three times I've come to the conclusion it might as well have been written in Mandarin lol

LOL, I think I had too much to drink when I wrote it.

lorenzoduke · 07 Mar 2010, 20:37

For all the discussion of back to back albums, didn't Meat mention the HCTB tour would be a very long one (but with the gigs more spaced out than usual)? If so, I doubt that would leave room for recording.

nikox1 · 07 Mar 2010, 20:47

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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

For all the discussion of back to back albums, didn't Meat mention the HCTB tour would be a very long one (but with the gigs more spaced out than usual)? If so, I doubt that would leave room for recording.

i can see hctb been meats last studio album, but im sure a new big greatest hits with some new songs will follow in a year or 2? chsib was ment to be hes last, then we got bat 3, and now hctb

, so im so happy! who knows what the future holds? but i suppose meat cant go on forever? or can he

suzieq · 07 Mar 2010, 23:22

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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

For all the discussion of back to back albums, didn't Meat mention the HCTB tour would be a very long one (but with the gigs more spaced out than usual)? If so, I doubt that would leave room for recording.

True.

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Originally Posted by nikox1

i can see hctb been meats last studio album, chsib was ment to be hes last, then we got bat 3, and now hctb

, so im so happy! who knows what the future holds? but i suppose meat cant go on forever? or can he

That's the fun about speculating and wondering what the future holds. I get giddy at the very thought of more Meat. Be it recordings, DVD's, TV appearances, Movies etc.....such a turn of events when he fell ill in England and said words that fans would have to expect at some point in a career. I know I felt as a fan, my last concert could've been my last concert. But he had a Brett Favre moment (for those who follow American Football) and Meat's health returned. For the love of his craft, Meat gave some return tour dates for his missed shows. Meat announced going back in studio. And I couldn't have been happier then or now.

I refuse to dwell on the past, but to keep it real, we may never have had HCTB if he hung up his stage coat. There is no age cap on Meat. He can go as long as his heart is in it and his health holds.

Other speculation: Let's say HCTB is the successful album after so many kicks to Meat's groin in the business with other albums. Would Meat take this and say, that's it there's nothing more I need to accomplish for myself, my work is done now and retire? Go out on a high note per say. Or would it fuel his fire and want to release more successful albums off the back of HCTB?

Truthfully only Meat knows which fork in the road he would take. It is fun and exciting to have possibilities and believe me I'm not rushing to find out which road Meat will take.

I say lets bring on a long healthy HCTB tour and ride for as long as Meat will have us.

Suzieq

07 Mar 2010, 02:40	#33
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	i too am glad that meat is trying someting new! and its great how happy he is too with this album! and when you see an artist so happy with what they have just done, its usually a good sign i think los angeloser is a good single choice, its easy going and fun! and if it gets its fair share of radio play, if being the word!! i think its a song the casual buyer will like and maybe download etc etc,, looking forward to the video, as meat usually comes up with something good! i really liked bat 3, as just stand alone tracks, most of the songs were pretty good, but maybe the problem was they were good songs put together to make an album? the bat formula was not practised, lets say!! but i always defended it, because meat tried hes very best to pull off the impossible! i still believe to this day that even if jim was in full control of it? it would never of lived up to the hype!! jaws 1 = original, jaws 2 = you pulled it off, jaws 3 = in peoples eyes its the cash cow!! imo it was a very good album, but to others? maybe not!! now with hctb it seems there was nothing expected, most maybe thought meat would not make another album? the pressure was off, and just like in 1977 meat found the right producer and it felt like something new for meat! i dont know what to expect? im really excited about this album [ as i am for all hes albums ] but when i read some reviews, and heard all the great things people are saying, i just cant wait! and like all the fans out there, i want it to do well, storm the charts! the promo has been very good so far [ fantastic in australia ] and i hope it continues going well everywhere! but the record company must keep pushing it, meat is working hes ass off, and im sure theres lots more tv shows to be done etc etc,, but so far so good! so at the moment i dont have a clue how well its gonna sell? you know when you put a bat in the title = big sales, and you always have a fair idea how other albums may do, but with hctb? los angeloser is a different style for meat, i think its great fun, fresh!! its aimed at getting airplay, some new fans, etc etc,, now 90% of the people on this website liked it, took to it after a few listens but you have millions of fans outside of here, and the truth is some dont like change! who knows what the majority of fans will think? so just enjoy the build up, enjoy the album its self, get ready for the tour, because this album is a dark horse? but sometimes a dark horse wins

07 Mar 2010, 20:37	#35
lorenzoduke Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.07.2006 Posts: 1,269	For all the discussion of back to back albums, didn't Meat mention the HCTB tour would be a very long one (but with the gigs more spaced out than usual)? If so, I doubt that would leave room for recording.