Pro Shot of Hang Cool Tour

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I understood that Youtube automatically terminate an account on removing a third video. The "Three strikes and you're out" rule. It's a risk you take with them surely, and an assumption that Meat himself requested their removal. It might have been someone working on his behalf who picked up on them, and who would perhaps be unlikely to write to you personally and ask for their removal.

Caryl

[Wario]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I understood that Youtube automatically terminate an account on removing a third video. The "Three strikes and you're out" rule. It's a risk you take with them surely, and an assumption that Meat himself requested their removal. It might have been someone working on his behalf who picked up on them, and who would perhaps be unlikely to write to you personally and ask for their removal.

Caryl

I doubt it would have not one through Meat. Usually he would warn before striking accounts.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by stretch37

damn never got to see them

Me neither. Some of us are not blessed with being able to watch YouTube vidoes all day at work.

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Meat took them down.

Guess hes pissed, cause he just flagged three of my own videos and got me terminated. No warning. Nothing.

Im gone for awhile. maybe a long while. Bye.

I don't blame you and I think this is absolutely atrocious to happen to probably the biggest Meat Loaf YouTube content provider out there. I'm sorry my friend, you didn't deserve that, none of the fans who use YouTube did.

I know we joke a lot around here but Wario's YouTube channel is something that was sacred, no discussion.

Originally Posted by CarylB

I understood that Youtube automatically terminate an account on removing a third video. The "Three strikes and you're out" rule. It's a risk you take with them surely, and an assumption that Meat himself requested their removal. It might have been someone working on his behalf who picked up on them, and who would perhaps be unlikely to write to you personally and ask for their removal.

Caryl

The three strikes thing in this case didn't work for Wario as he got all 3 strikes in one go, that's not really correct. You show no regret about this, I find that quite sad really.

Meat can be a real jerk at times, honestly. Sorry, has to be said.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by meatfanforlife

Hope this doesnt affect my youtube account for making a cover.............

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

it wont. I got terminated because of the Netherlands 1989 soundboard footage. If he just asked me to take it down I would have.

Don't be so sure of that. Red Pony had flagged a cover I had up there and some daft American company, who I think don't hold any form of copyright on Meat's songs flagged another.

YouTube normally can't be arsed looking into things. If you have a company you can get pretty much anything taken of. In that sense YouTube is a bit useless and it's sad to see accounts gone over such issues. Strikes never get removed don't forget.

Certainly won't EVER consider putting Meat Loaf related content on YouTube again, even if it is just a cover, tribute or dedication.

Perhaps he wants it this way. I personally find it bullish behaviour certainly when it comes to a few innocent videos here and there which have obviously just been placed on there out of pure love for the man's work.

The pro shot stuff I don't care about so much missing, I know where those can be stuck!!!

[meatfanforlife]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Don't be so sure of that. Red Pony had flagged a cover I had up there and some daft American company, who I think don't hold any form of copyright on Meat's songs flagged another.

YouTube normally can't be arsed looking into things. If you have a company you can get pretty much anything taken of. In that sense YouTube is a bit useless and it's sad to see accounts gone over such issues. Strikes never get removed don't forget.

Certainly won't EVER consider putting Meat Loaf related content on YouTube again, even if it is just a cover, tribute or dedication.

Perhaps he wants it this way. I personally find it bullish behaviour certainly when it comes to a few innocent videos here and there which have obviously just been placed on there out of pure love for the man's work.

A simple search of youtube for "Bat Out Of Hell Covers" turns up LOADS of crappy covers and karaoke versions of people butchering the songs.....Why are these allowed to be up but good videos like warios and good covers are removed >.>

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by meatfanforlife

A simple search of youtube for "Bat Out Of Hell Covers" turns up LOADS of crappy covers and karaoke versions of people butchering the songs.....Why are these allowed to be up but good videos like warios and good covers are removed >.>

The covers I had up there by a semi-pro tribute band had gained tens of thousands of views and hence that was probably the reason why they were noticed so much.

It's insane to remove the good stuff. I also don't understand the logic in removing things like a live song from the 80s for example which will probably never get performed again probably.

Is it REALLY better that this stuff is locked away in a vault somewhere where nobody can see it?

Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the logic in the pro shot stuff being gone if that was put up there without Meat's consent. But I'm not so sure what the recording contract would have said. That is a legit video recording company and perhaps the YouTube uploads were actually something they were legally allowed to do. Who knows.

[Vickip]

I'm sorry Warioloaf

I disagree Andrew. I don't think it is bullish behavior ... they were bootlegg videos of Meat and IMO if he didn't want them on there, he had every right to have them taken down, no questions asked.

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I think this is absolutely atrocious to happen to probably the biggest Meat Loaf YouTube content provider out there. I'm sorry my friend, you didn't deserve that.

I know we joke a lot around here but Wario's YouTube channel is something that was sacred, no discussion.

I couldn't agree more. I really enjoyed your videos. Such a shame to delete all 300+ (?) videos for the sake of 3 which caused someone, somewhere, some offence.

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Perhaps he wants it this way. I personally find it bullish behaviour certainly when it comes to a few innocent videos here and there which have obviously just been placed on there out of pure love for the man's work.

I agree, without knowing for certain who pulled them I think they were over-zealous. If it was something for a planned dvd or something I understand that, but stuff that only die-hard fans would watch is something else. I'm sure there will be a "holier than thou" lecture, but I too think it makes Meat look bad to loyal fans no matter who "Red Pony" is, him or a rep.

[Netty]

my YT account was deleted maybe a year ago without any warning even though they stated that i had warnings but i hadn't anyway, it works that way unfortunately
you should expect to it anytime, if you don't have rights for the material that you use, it's that simple, the term&conditions are pretty clear about it, so there shouldn't be any suprises when it happens
and you think Meat should warn you or ask you take down those videos? well he could but you shouldn't put them up at the first time because you hadn't the rights, you know
i'm sad that it happened to you because i love to watch your videos but this is the way YT works......

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

The three strikes thing in this case didn't work for Wario as he got all 3 strikes in one go, that's not really correct.

As I understand it, it is based on 3 requests, not three separate occasions. I have seen people complaining that they had their ac~~~~s terminated when 3 videos were removed at the same time.

You show no regret about this, I find that quite sad really.

Meat can be a real jerk at times, honestly. Sorry, has to be said.

My stance on bootlegs is well documented here, as is my view that Meat and/or his people are perfectly entitled to request removal of any unauthorised recordings, so I think it would have been suspect for me to express regrets, and might well have prompted a comment about why I would regret the removal of things I say I don't watch.

What I find sad is that you call Meat "a jerk", when you don't know that he personally requested their removal (even Wario seems to be saying he doubts it was Meat himself who made the requests), and even if he had, he would be entitled to do so.

Originally Posted by Vickip

I disagree Andrew. I don't think it is bullish behavior ... they were bootlegg videos of Meat and IMO if he didn't want them on there, he had every right to have them taken down, no questions asked.

I agree. As Netty says, if you don't have rights for the material that you use, it's that simple, the term & conditions are pretty clear about it, so there shouldn't be any surprises when it happens, even if it doesn't happen on every occasion.


Caryl

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by Netty

my YT account was deleted maybe a year ago without any warning even though they stated that i had warnings but i hadn't anyway, it works that way unfortunately
you should expect to it anytime, if you don't have rights for the material that you use, it's that simple, the term&conditions are pretty clear about it, so there shouldn't be any suprises when it happens
and you think Meat should warn you or ask you take down those videos? well he could but you shouldn't put them up at the first time because you hadn't the rights, you know
i'm sad that it happened to you because i love to watch your videos but this is the way YT works......

I'm sue Meat has rights to his performances and has paid to perform the songs, but I also recall all the hulla baloo over who owned rights to use "Bat" when Bat 3 rolled around. The rights to the older songs have been sold several times I'm sure. Plus they are on countless compilations and various artists cd's. In the end wouldn't Steinman be able to have a song pulled also? Yet to my knowledge he never has. Could Jim have a video of Meat singing his song pulled?

[loaferman61]

Originally Posted by CarylB

My stance on bootlegs is well documented here

Caryl

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by CarylB

My stance on bootlegs is well documented here, as is my view that Meat and/or his people are perfectly entitled to request removal of any unauthorised recordings, so I think it would have been suspect for me to express regrets, and might well have prompted a comment about why I would regret the removal of things I say I don't watch.

Indeed you say you don't watch it.

Originally Posted by CarylB;535941
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I[/B] find sad is that you call Meat "a jerk", when you don't know that he personally requested their removal (even Wario seems to be saying he doubts it was Meat himself who made the requests), and even if he had, he would be entitled to do so.

Caryl

If it wasn't Meat himself (which in all fairness you are correct for pointing out I do not know), he should tell his reps to not do such silly things without warning and do his best to retract it, if that is at all possible at this stage. I doubt he will do this though.

Just because I am a fan of Meat Loaf doesn't mean I should agree with ALL his actions. I also don't agree with his political views for example as many will know. Doesn't mean I'm any lesser of a fan of his work. In fact I think actions such as these are self-damaging to his career more than anything, hence my problem with this.

[allrevvedup]

Ok folks, the vids have been taken down...so there's literally nothing to see here