is there anything we can do

[ladyloaf69]

not a bad idea badger but those who always put meat down will come back and do it again. meat must know there are alot more fans out there than just the few ones who always put him down.they are out there to make meat mad and leave and well they did it. and if meat doesn't post here again well the people who can't say anything nice well have won. there are the true fans out there and meat knows it , and he shouldn't quit posting . its a shame how a few people can ruin the lives of many.

[badger]

i know ladyloaf, it is a shame there are those few that cause so much trouble. I just thought something that so many people had taken the time to put together and physically create would be a big gesture.

[ladyloaf69]

yes it would be a nice gesture. i hope it works . i hope if anyone who is going to the concert and gets to meet meat lets him know how we all feel about him and hope he comes back. and for teh few that likes to write terrible stuff about meat why don't u just go away . if u don't like him , leave. don't have us suffer because of u.

[CarylB]

Little dancer said:

"Opinions (as to how good or bad a show is) are like 'a part of the anatomy' everybody has one". It doesn't make them right. If you want to say nasty things, I personally don't care to hear it. To be blunt- what the heck have you ever done? And what exactly are your qualifications to 'critique' somebody who has done the high quality work that Meat has? hmmmmmmmmmmm? What's that??? Oh you don't have ANY..gee i'm shocked.

I'll run with that!!

Sounds a constructive idea Badger. Printed off, professionally bound it would look good. I sent a copy of the Hall of Fame Petition backstage to him last night. With it's cover it looked good and was full of messages from fans that I hope he'll get a good warm feeling when he reads it.

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

I have been fortunate enough to see Meat twice in this tour, both times he has been ill (Birmingham & last night) However, both times he has blown me away, he gives his heart and soul, puts everything he has into entertaining us - the fans.

Last night, he did stop the beginning of Paradise as he was not happy with it, he himself needs it to be good, even though he may feel like s**t.

I looked around where I stood and most people were singing every word, clapping, shouting, to show their appreciation. It can't be easy entertaining people when you are ill. I personally hope that Meat is getting some pleasure out of these shows, even if he does not feel very well, and not just doing it for us.

I hope that he reconsiders about leaving the forum - it would be a great shame. However, I do agree with the majority, that something needs to be done about the minority.

[goodhip]

i lie the sound of badgers idea on the book if wil could all put sometunhg even if it is just a thankyou it shows we care bout him and what he does any one got ideas on how to go bout doing this

[badger]

goodhip, if everyone emails or posts them i will collect them and sort it (with maybe a little help). I just wanted to check how many people would want to before I started really.

[goodhip]

no worrys need a hand shout

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by badger

goodhip, if everyone emails or posts them i will collect them and sort it (with maybe a little help). I just wanted to check how many people would want to before I started really.

Count me in too badger :)
Thank you
Vicki

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by little_dancer

Well, Frankly, if Meat leaves I couldn't really blame him. Sounds negative (sorry!) but it's realistic. What can we do...well not too much, he's a regular human being who seems to be quite (understandably) fed up. Whether or not he wishes to return to the forum will depend on how he feels, I suppose. Right now I'd say it's unlikely-but I've been wrong before.

I've been criticised before for being 'too positive' so I'll keep it short and sweet.

If you are priviledged enough to get a ticket and see this man perform, you are in for a treat. I've been a fan since the first note I heard him sing and I've been priviledged enough to see him live four times (much less than some-you lucky dogs!) and can honestly say that the most recent (August- Syracuse) was an incredible show!!! I'd say the voice was very strong.

"Opinions (as to how good or bad a show is) are like 'a part of the anatomy' everybody has one". It doesn't make them right. If you want to say nasty things, I personally don't care to hear it. To be blunt- what the heck have you ever done? And what exactly are your qualifications to 'critique' somebody who has done the high quality work that Meat has? hmmmmmmmmmmm? What's that??? Oh you don't have ANY..gee i'm shocked.

Critics who tear people apart have rarely DONE ANYTHING. That's why they criticize others...it's the only thing they're any good at.

Just my opinion, however. :P

I Couldn't Have Said It Better .

The bottom line is we should try follow the golden rule ... "do unto others as you would have them unto you". Simply put .. like any other member of this forum, Meat is a person with feelings, and we (myself included) all need to keep that in mind and treat him with respect.

Vicki

[shadow1000001]

Originally Posted by Vickip

I Couldn't Have Said It Better .

The bottom line is we should try follow the golden rule ... "do unto others as you would have them unto you". Simply put .. like any other member of this forum, Meat is a person with feelings, and we (myself included) all need to keep that in mind and treat him with respect.

Vicki

Well said Vicki,
I wish that more people would live by that rule. It would make life so much easier.

Maria

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by shadow1000001

Well said Vicki,
I wish that more people would live by that rule. It would make life so much easier.

Maria

Thanks Maria.
Vicki

[ChrissybabezNI]

Okies, Sorry if some of the things Im going to say have already been said but a few of the other replies were so long they had me nodding off or used words that had me looking up my dictionary, so Ill just say this plain and simple.
We are all very lucky to have gone to see Meat, and any mistakes he may have made in his concerts, Im pretty sure no one noticed them any more than he did, constructive criticism is ok, for example if you're not too fussed on one of the songs or whatever, but this is a fansite and no one should come of to continually put him down, or complain about the way other people support him, as for the people doing this, we dont need to name and shame them, as we all already know who they are, they arent necessarily nasty people just different views, and can sometimes say things for want of a better way to explain themselves, but I do think its high time they opened their eyes and realised theyre hurting peoples feelings.

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

ChrisseybabezNI wrote:

Okies, Sorry if some of the things Im going to say have already been said but a few of the other replies were so long they had me nodding off or used words that had me looking up my dictionary, so Ill just say this plain and simple.
We are all very lucky to have gone to see Meat, and any mistakes he may have made in his concerts, Im pretty sure no one noticed them any more than he did, constructive criticism is ok, for example if you're not too fussed on one of the songs or whatever, but this is a fansite and no one should come of to continually put him down, or complain about the way other people support him, as for the people doing this, we dont need to name and shame them, as we all already know who they are, they arent necessarily nasty people just different views, and can sometimes say things for want of a better way to explain themselves, but I do think its high time they opened their eyes and realised theyre hurting peoples feelings.

Well said, I have seen Meat twice on this tour and feel very privaliged to have done so. However, both times he was ill. Nevertheless, he was amazing. My very first concert was in Birmingham in November, when he had flu. If he had not pointed it out himself, I would not have known. I was emotionally overwhelmed by the whole experience.

I think that he is amazing, the amount of effort he puts into the shows is fantastic. OK, not all shows are absolutely brilliant, but for the individual attending a particukar show, it is to them. You have to take each show on it's own merit, and not compare it with others. Meat's health has been up & down, so obviously concerts are going to differ.

Thursday, to me was fantastic. I was given a 4th row ticket. (Thank you to that man) When Meat arrived on stage, I was chocked up, couldn't believe my luck. I was glued to him the rest of the nite, I even missed John mooning !!!

I could not believe the effect Meat had on me, he was sooo electric, and watchable. I knew that he was not well, but, I was still mesmerised by his presence. I could not keep my eye off him. Can someone explain this to me ??

He gave his all and more, ok the show was only 2hours or so, but it was 2 hours of great entertainment.

Sorry, but I cannot slag off Meat's performance - given the fact that he was ill, he did a cracking job. I know he has been better by the reviews, but I comment on what I personally saw. He gave every ounce of himself, both occasions.

I am still on a high and it's Saturday night - what does that tell you. Bloody Great job, Meat.

Got great pics too.

[ChrissybabezNI]

Sorry, but I cannot slag off Meat's performance - given the fact that he was ill, he did a cracking job.

Hey I'm not too sure what impression my last post gave off but I certainly wasnt asking anyone to slag off performances thats the last thing I would want.

[MEAT LOAF TRIBUTE]

It shouldnt be that hard to find the person/persons who have abused meat in a pm. He stated that they were abusing him because they didnt get the meet and greet he had promised, and called him a liar. All we need to do is see who in previous threads were getting a meet and greet with him on the night in question. Being on a meet and greet list is not a guarantee that he will see you. He also has his own personal guest list which takes priority over fan clubs and so it should be. Iwas lucky enough to see Meat backstage on 2 occassions prior to this incident arranged between meats management and myself and will treasure the time he spent with us, my meets were nothing to do with the fan clubs meet and greet allocation.

[Em]

Little dancer said:

"

Opinions (as to how good or bad a show is) are like 'a part of the anatomy' everybody has one". It doesn't make them right. If you want to say nasty things, I personally don't care to hear it. To be blunt- what the heck have you ever done? And what exactly are your qualifications to 'critique' somebody who has done the high quality work that Meat has? hmmmmmmmmmmm? What's that??? Oh you don't have ANY..gee i'm shocked.

I really don’t like posts like this. How can you write

what the heck have you ever done? And what exactly are your qualifications to 'critique' somebody

Statements like this are just plain put downs and serve no useful purpose. After all what do you know about the lives of any of the people who post here or of the contributions they have made to making this world a better place? OK they may not be rich or famous but do you really have to be that to have done something with your life?

Personally I think that anyone who has bought a ticket has the right to make comments on what they paid to see. Surely Meat’s intelligent enough to know when his performances are below his previous standards. Would he then want people to write just how wonderful the performance was, that would just make these people sycophants and Meat would surely know it wasn’t entirely true.


ChrissybabezNI wrote:

we dont need to name and shame them, as we all already know who they are,

Do we?

How do you know that the PM sent to Meat wasn’t from someone who rarely posts on here. Nobody has any idea who it was. Maybe they would come on here to explain why they sent the PM and what its contents were if people were less antagonistic. OK people are upset but surely the person should be given the chance to explain their actions without fear of being slaughtered. The comment about the programme full of adverts was made on another board anyway so I’m not sure why Meat wants to blame us for this.

This is getting way off topic. Badger I like your idea so count me in.

[ChrissybabezNI]

Em Wrote

How do you know that the PM sent to Meat wasn’t from someone who rarely posts on here. Nobody has any idea who it was. Maybe they would come on here to explain why they sent the PM and what its contents were if people were less antagonistic. OK people are upset but surely the person should be given the chance to explain their actions without fear of being slaughtered. The comment about the programme full of adverts was made on another board anyway so I’m not sure why Meat wants to blame us for this.

Actually I wasnt talking about the PM to meat :) I was talking about a couple of people who had abused him previously and he had mentioned himself. I never made any references in my aforementioned post to PM's

[little_dancer]

Em wrote:

I really don’t like posts like this. How can you write Quote:
what the heck have you ever done? And what exactly are your qualifications to 'critique' somebody

Statements like this are just plain put downs and serve no useful purpose. After all what do you know about the lives of any of the people who post here or of the contributions they have made to making this world a better place? OK they may not be rich or famous but do you really have to be that to have done something with your life?

How exactly is a statement a 'plain put down' if I have not mentioned or even alluded to a single person, but only an innapropriate attitude? I think you need to re-read my post, Em, you would realize that I am commenting on people who have (according to Meat) sent nasty pm's to him, or have posted repeatedly (on different sites) mean, and often un-tuthfull things. I have not suggested who these people are- and when I say "what exactly are your qualifications" I am not IMPLYING that the poster need to be "rich or famous" (as you seem to have read into my statement somehow) but that if you read PUBLISHED music critiques, they tend to be more balanced than: "oh the whole thing just sucked." I am saying that people who sit back and tear people apart without making any contributions THEMSELVES are pathetic- and I stand by that statement...which has NOTHING to do with fame or money (I really have NO IDEA how you got THAT from my post) This doesn't refer to normal criticisms for a show/album etc- I used the phrase 'tear apart' does this not tell you that I am talking about a more extreme attitude and not constructive comments???

My statement is not a

PLAIN PUT DOWN

- if you want to know it's

USEFULL PURPOSE

it is this: constructive criticisms are one thing, calling somebody a liar for being ill- quite another. I think that you have taken my statement WILDLY out of context and that if you were to re-read it in the context that it was posted (RE: Meat Loaf signing off this board, being quite angry with PM's he was receiving from people) you would not be so judgemental of me.

On a closing note:

Personally I think that anyone who has bought a ticket has the right to make comments on what they paid to see. Surely Meat’s intelligent enough to know when his performances are below his previous standards. Would he then want people to write just how wonderful the performance was, that would just make these people sycophants and Meat would surely know it wasn’t entirely true.

1> I never implied that people could not make comments on what they paid to see- only that intelligent critiques are more balanced and thought out than flames.

2. ' below his previous standards' is your opinion- one that I don't personally agree with. I haven't said that people shouldn't voice criticism- only that people shouldn't tear people apart- and that EVERYBODY has an opinion- it DOES NOT make it right.

3. 'Sycophant' is being used an awfull lot on several of these boards without people understanding it's meaning, Em. So here : "self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite" (Websters College Dictionary)
I was simply criticising those that go out to tear people apart. Your post suggests that anybody who posts something positive about Meat's latest is a 'fawning parasite'???? If you are defending people's right to have an opinion, it's hardly fair to say that anybody who disagrees with a negative opinion is a 'fawning parasite'.

Calling everyone who disagrees with negative statements 'sycophants' ?:

Statements like this are just plain put downs and serve no useful purpose.

[DIZZY DRUMMER]

chrissybabezNI wrote:

Hey I'm not too sure what impression my last post gave off but I certainly wasnt asking anyone to slag off performances thats the last thing I would want.

sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick with my comment on page 2. I was just saying that I could not fault Meats performance given the circumstances.

It certainly was not aimed at anyone

[rick]

c.h.s.i.b

[Em]

Is there anything we can do?
Yes stop arguing with each other. Don’t have the time to go back and read this thread at present but have noted your long response little dancer. Will read later and on rereading I may well concede that what I wrote before was a load of rubbish. Thanks for responding to my rant anyway. Hope you are having a good week.