Can Meat Loaf top the "Live with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra" DVD? - Page 2

Pudding · 07 Feb 2006, 03:54

Who's being paranoid? I was just clarifying what the question asked was that's all, without throwing other factors into the equation.

Pud

Rockette · 07 Feb 2006, 04:16

Yeah, I saw what you were saying in the first place. My point is, and forgive me if I am giving the wrong impression, Meat's already done the Storytellers dvd. I loved that dvd, make no mistake about that.

I just felt, however, that Meat was nearly bursting out of his skin to really let it rip, much more than he was able to do in that limited medium. Give him an orchestra and a much more elaborate set and I reckon he'd die in the attempt to outdo what he's already done with the MSO dvd.

And then we all know that, just as Meat took the Storytellers show on the road, he will doubtless be inspired to do likewise with a new one. Get my drift now? :)

Pudding · 07 Feb 2006, 04:51

Perhaps I'm being misunderstood and shouldn't have used Storytellers as an example.

Imagine Meat Loaf sat on a stool in an intimate surrounding or small venue (couple of hundred or so) with the band just playing acoustic (no electric guitars) and a small orchestra in the background. And Meat singing mainly ballad type songs, Heaven Can Wait, Read'Em & Weep, Surf's Up, For Crying Out Loud etc etc etc

This would be a purposely made DVD and would probably take several days to film. Wouldn't/couldn't that top live with the MSO?

I know what you're saying about taking shows on the road, but that wasn't part of the question. People like to indulge in a little fantasy scenario's now and again, that's all.

Pud

Rockette · 07 Feb 2006, 06:16

Sorry, Pudding. I totally missed your point. I answered the thread's original question of: Can Meat Loaf top the "Live with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra" DVD? I hadn't realised you had turned it into a fantasy. Silly me. Sorry for answering at all.

Pudding · 07 Feb 2006, 07:07

Until something becomes a reality it's always a fantasy, so every single suggestion that could ever possibly have been suggested would be a fantasy to the individual.

So going on what you've said, I've now change my mind.

In under no circumstances whatsoever could 'Meat Loaf live with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra DVD' ever be topped. And any suggestion that it could, would either be unrealistic or just plain fantasy.

Furthermore: Meat Loaf would be foolhardy to try to even attempt such an endeavour, because as sad as it sounds, apparently his best has been and gone and there's no way I want to see Meat Loaf die whilst sitting on a stool in his attempt to try and outdo what he's already done with the MSO dvd. And God forbid, should Meat Loaf ever even think of doing a show that I've previously described, someone please tell him that he doesn't have to take it on the road but he could class it as a one off special, because it seems he just can't say no.

Pud

Space Monkey · 08 Feb 2006, 11:07

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Originally Posted by Pudding

So going on what you've said, I've now change my mind.

In under no circumstances whatsoever could 'Meat Loaf live with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra DVD' ever be topped. And any suggestion that it could, would either be unrealistic or just plain fantasy.

Furthermore: Meat Loaf would be foolhardy to try to even attempt such an endeavour, because as sad as it sounds, apparently his best has been and gone and there's no way I want to see Meat Loaf die whilst sitting on a stool in his attempt to try and outdo what he's already done with the MSO dvd. And God forbid, should Meat Loaf ever even think of doing a show that I've previously described, someone please tell him that he doesn't have to take it on the road but he could class it as a one off special, because it seems he just can't say no.

True. Perhaps, given that the MSO performance can never be topped, should Meat just give up touring altogether?

Personally, the MSO DVD could be better. I thought there could have been more extras. Specifically I think the second DVD could have had more on it.

TravisWRedfish · 09 Feb 2006, 04:24

The DVD picture quality of the MSO show itself is inferior to that of Storytellers, or Greatest Hits. That is the only flaw the show really has. What I would love to see is a re-release of the MSO DVD, but with superb picture quality. This could be achieved by putting the commentary track, and/or one of the 5.1 tracks (DTS or Dolby) on a second disc, allowing for much less compression of the image quality. For those who don't understand this, take a look at how much better the picture quality is on the bonus disc of MSO than it is on the actual concert disc. A re-release of MSO with the picture quality being corrected to look as good as the bonus disc would make this DVD the best looking (as well as sounding) DVD Meat has ever produced.

mikeloaf · 14 Feb 2006, 01:13

If you watch this DVD carefully you can see the change between the two dates. Look at Meats right hand, sometimes the ring is there sometimes it's not. It doesn't detract from the fact that this is a very good DVD, but once I noticed it....well it lost it edge a bit.

Bart · 14 Feb 2006, 01:17

Look at his chewing gum. It is only during FCOl blue. I believe htat is the only song from the first nite.

mikeloaf · 14 Feb 2006, 01:19

I've noticed that he has the ring off his right hand at the start of paradise then its back at the end.

Bart · 14 Feb 2006, 01:26

I am gonna check that out tomorrow.

mikeloaf · 14 Feb 2006, 01:27

I watched it today, it happens!

Steve6 · 22 Feb 2006, 17:14

Performing with an orchestra should have been done many years.

I didn’t think his vocals were good at all. He did the do the best version of “PARADISE” I’ve ever heard. But the rest was average enough. He’s refusing to sing right that’s the real problem.

He’s ruining all the songs singing them live, especially AFL. Will he ever sing the whole song, and stop skipping through it.

Stop trying to sing and just sing Mr. Loaf.

I also don’t like being lied to.

*AndyK* · 22 Feb 2006, 19:01

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Performing with an orchestra should have been done many years.

Agreed

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Originally Posted by Steve6

I didn’t think his vocals were good at all. He did the do the best version of “PARADISE” I’ve ever heard. But the rest was average enough. He’s refusing to sing right that’s the real problem.

Depends on your point of view. Meats voice has changed completely over the 30+ years he's been recording and certainly in the near enough 20 years I've been seeing him live. I can't think of anyone who's voice doesn't change over time, it's called maturing I beleive.

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Originally Posted by Steve6

He’s ruining all the songs singing them live, especially AFL. Will he ever sing the whole song, and stop skipping through it.

Bit of a mixture here Steve, jumping from the MSO DVD to the more recent tour. But I'll humour you, apart from on the Hair Of The Dog tour he has done, to the best of my knowledge anyway. On the HotD tour it's well documented that Meat and the band were restricted to the length of the concert because of insurance reasons, as such AFL was a cut down version, but to be honest IMO I don't think it really suffered too much live because of that.

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Stop trying to sing and just sing Mr. Loaf.

Disagree with you on that, Meat is a darn sight older than he was 30 yrs, 20 yrs or even 5 yrs ago, of course he's going to sound different. Does Mick Jagger sound the same as he did in the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's? Either live or on record? I don't think so.

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I also don’t like being lied to.

No, neither do I. Nor do I like paying taxes or eating coconut. So who has been lying to you? You can tell Uncle Andy

Steve6 · 22 Feb 2006, 19:27

Moving around the stage, and trying to be a 21 year old again cleary isn't working. Also why does he violently shake his hand when he tries to hit high notes. He hasn't been doing that all his career. That can't help him in anyway.

LucyK! · 22 Feb 2006, 19:29

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Originally Posted by Steve6

He’s refusing to sing right that’s the real problem.

Have you honestly just posted that Meat Loaf is refusing to sing right?

Why on earth would he "refuse to sing right"? Especially for a DVD that's the first he's released in years? I've never heard anything so ridiculous.

Paul191 · 22 Feb 2006, 19:47

I agree Lucy! Meat's voice has simply matured over the years, and it's hard singing songs that a 30 year old tenor should be singing when your 60 years old! Meat is a fine singer, one of the best even by todays standards.

As for the hand shaking, when Meat gets caught in the moment during his performances he just happens to shake his hand. It's as simple as that. It's not because he is trying to reach the high notes because he can do that just fine.

LucyK! · 22 Feb 2006, 19:51

I don't think it matters why he does the hand shaking thing - if he feels comfortable doing it then it's not a problem!

Paul191 · 22 Feb 2006, 20:05

Every one is for one reason only. They like/love Meat Loaf. If you don't like Meat then the least you can do is explain your obscure opinions and back them up with some real evidence.

Steve6 · 22 Feb 2006, 21:32

Removed.

R. · 22 Feb 2006, 21:34

Enough. You post this crap again and I'll ban you permanently. IS THAT CLEAR?

Steve6 · 22 Feb 2006, 21:40

Yeah...No need to lose the head though, we are all in this together.

I like to make my feelings known that's all. Like everyone else.

That's what a forum is for.

Pudding · 22 Feb 2006, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Steve6

Moving around the stage, and trying to be a 21 year old again cleary isn't working.

I fail to see how it can't be working if he's selling out concert halls?

Pud

Steve6 · 22 Feb 2006, 22:04

TRUE.......

But the MSO wasn't a sell out. I saw plenty of empty spaces at the back. Correct me if I'm wrong.

But I also heard people criticise how he sung BOOH and AFL. They said it didn't sound right.

But I agree with you Pud....You got me there...LOL

Paul191 · 22 Feb 2006, 22:12

steve, it was a sell out. Every concert was a sell out. There are empty seats every concert you go too. Maybe due to people not arriving (something important may have popped up in there life) or due to moving of seat (e.g. to the standing areas of the concert).

Every sell out concert i have been to in my life including Meats there has always been empty seats.

22 Feb 2006, 22:04	#49
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	TRUE....... But the MSO wasn't a sell out. I saw plenty of empty spaces at the back. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I also heard people criticise how he sung BOOH and AFL. They said it didn't sound right. But I agree with you Pud....You got me there...LOL Last edited by Steve6; 22 Feb 2006 at 22:10.

07 Feb 2006, 03:54	#26
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Who's being paranoid? I was just clarifying what the question asked was that's all, without throwing other factors into the equation. Pud

07 Feb 2006, 04:16	#27
Rockette Mega Loafer Join Date: 10.06.2005 Location: I think! Posts: 4,805	Yeah, I saw what you were saying in the first place. My point is, and forgive me if I am giving the wrong impression, Meat's already done the Storytellers dvd. I loved that dvd, make no mistake about that. I just felt, however, that Meat was nearly bursting out of his skin to really let it rip, much more than he was able to do in that limited medium. Give him an orchestra and a much more elaborate set and I reckon he'd die in the attempt to outdo what he's already done with the MSO dvd. And then we all know that, just as Meat took the Storytellers show on the road, he will doubtless be inspired to do likewise with a new one. Get my drift now? :)

07 Feb 2006, 04:51	#28
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Perhaps I'm being misunderstood and shouldn't have used Storytellers as an example. Imagine Meat Loaf sat on a stool in an intimate surrounding or small venue (couple of hundred or so) with the band just playing acoustic (no electric guitars) and a small orchestra in the background. And Meat singing mainly ballad type songs, Heaven Can Wait, Read'Em & Weep, Surf's Up, For Crying Out Loud etc etc etc This would be a purposely made DVD and would probably take several days to film. Wouldn't/couldn't that top live with the MSO? I know what you're saying about taking shows on the road, but that wasn't part of the question. People like to indulge in a little fantasy scenario's now and again, that's all. Pud

07 Feb 2006, 06:16	#29
Rockette Mega Loafer Join Date: 10.06.2005 Location: I think! Posts: 4,805	Sorry, Pudding. I totally missed your point. I answered the thread's original question of: Can Meat Loaf top the "Live with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra" DVD? I hadn't realised you had turned it into a fantasy. Silly me. Sorry for answering at all.

07 Feb 2006, 07:07	#30
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Until something becomes a reality it's always a fantasy, so every single suggestion that could ever possibly have been suggested would be a fantasy to the individual. So going on what you've said, I've now change my mind. In under no circumstances whatsoever could 'Meat Loaf live with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra DVD' ever be topped. And any suggestion that it could, would either be unrealistic or just plain fantasy. Furthermore: Meat Loaf would be foolhardy to try to even attempt such an endeavour, because as sad as it sounds, apparently his best has been and gone and there's no way I want to see Meat Loaf die whilst sitting on a stool in his attempt to try and outdo what he's already done with the MSO dvd. And God forbid, should Meat Loaf ever even think of doing a show that I've previously described, someone please tell him that he doesn't have to take it on the road but he could class it as a one off special, because it seems he just can't say no. Pud

09 Feb 2006, 04:24	#32
TravisWRedfish Loafer Join Date: 24.01.2006 Posts: 70	The DVD picture quality of the MSO show itself is inferior to that of Storytellers, or Greatest Hits. That is the only flaw the show really has. What I would love to see is a re-release of the MSO DVD, but with superb picture quality. This could be achieved by putting the commentary track, and/or one of the 5.1 tracks (DTS or Dolby) on a second disc, allowing for much less compression of the image quality. For those who don't understand this, take a look at how much better the picture quality is on the bonus disc of MSO than it is on the actual concert disc. A re-release of MSO with the picture quality being corrected to look as good as the bonus disc would make this DVD the best looking (as well as sounding) DVD Meat has ever produced.

14 Feb 2006, 01:13	#33
mikeloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2005 Location: England UK Posts: 708	If you watch this DVD carefully you can see the change between the two dates. Look at Meats right hand, sometimes the ring is there sometimes it's not. It doesn't detract from the fact that this is a very good DVD, but once I noticed it....well it lost it edge a bit.

14 Feb 2006, 01:17	#34
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Look at his chewing gum. It is only during FCOl blue. I believe htat is the only song from the first nite.

14 Feb 2006, 01:19	#35
mikeloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2005 Location: England UK Posts: 708	I've noticed that he has the ring off his right hand at the start of paradise then its back at the end.

14 Feb 2006, 01:26	#36
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	I am gonna check that out tomorrow.

14 Feb 2006, 01:27	#37
mikeloaf Super Loafer Join Date: 06.11.2005 Location: England UK Posts: 708	I watched it today, it happens!

22 Feb 2006, 17:14	#38
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Performing with an orchestra should have been done many years. I didn’t think his vocals were good at all. He did the do the best version of “PARADISE” I’ve ever heard. But the rest was average enough. He’s refusing to sing right that’s the real problem. He’s ruining all the songs singing them live, especially AFL. Will he ever sing the whole song, and stop skipping through it. Stop trying to sing and just sing Mr. Loaf. I also don’t like being lied to.

22 Feb 2006, 19:27	#40
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Moving around the stage, and trying to be a 21 year old again cleary isn't working. Also why does he violently shake his hand when he tries to hit high notes. He hasn't been doing that all his career. That can't help him in anyway.

22 Feb 2006, 19:47	#42
Paul191 Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.11.2005 Location: Posts: 1,530	I agree Lucy! Meat's voice has simply matured over the years, and it's hard singing songs that a 30 year old tenor should be singing when your 60 years old! Meat is a fine singer, one of the best even by todays standards. As for the hand shaking, when Meat gets caught in the moment during his performances he just happens to shake his hand. It's as simple as that. It's not because he is trying to reach the high notes because he can do that just fine.

22 Feb 2006, 19:51	#43
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	I don't think it matters why he does the hand shaking thing - if he feels comfortable doing it then it's not a problem!

22 Feb 2006, 20:05	#44
Paul191 Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.11.2005 Location: Posts: 1,530	Every one is for one reason only. They like/love Meat Loaf. If you don't like Meat then the least you can do is explain your obscure opinions and back them up with some real evidence.

22 Feb 2006, 21:32	#45
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Removed.

22 Feb 2006, 21:34	#46
R. You dig. Join Date: 02.04.2002 Location: On the fothermucker Posts: 7,179	Enough. You post this crap again and I'll ban you permanently. IS THAT CLEAR?

22 Feb 2006, 21:40	#47
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	Yeah...No need to lose the head though, we are all in this together. I like to make my feelings known that's all. Like everyone else. That's what a forum is for.

22 Feb 2006, 22:12	#50
Paul191 Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.11.2005 Location: Posts: 1,530	steve, it was a sell out. Every concert was a sell out. There are empty seats every concert you go too. Maybe due to people not arriving (something important may have popped up in there life) or due to moving of seat (e.g. to the standing areas of the concert). Every sell out concert i have been to in my life including Meats there has always been empty seats.