Some assorted thoughts on CHSIB... - Page 3

MBrevard · 13 May 2003, 17:37

Good morning (I never know which time zone to say hi in!

).

Meshurp Werfifer, two sets of tests? My sympathies!! I remember just the one and that was enough!

What's the advantage of taking the math test early? Just curious, since only 12 of you decided to do it.

And by the way, don't say you're going to fail. Don't even think you're going to fail. You need to keep positive. I'm being serious here. You need to think positively. You need to keep talking as if you have already passed the test! I know it sounds silly, kiddo. But that, in addition, of course, to all the studying you are now doing, WILL help!

Eighth row! All right!!! You guys must have called for tickets REALLY early! How big is that arena? Do you have any idea? Is it a totally seated venue or are there standing areas, as well??

Hi, Badger! Thanks for stopping by again. And thank you, also, for your kind words. You are fairly new here, but you have added an enthusiasm and joy in your postings around the forum and I, too, have enjoyed reading yours!! Please stay with all of us for a while. Okay?

"A personal internet revolution"??? Oooh... Sounds kinky!

Sorry, couldn't resist! :P

You mentioned Hyde Park last year. Did you say that you both would be going to some of the concerts this year, as well?

How does your girlfriend like the new album??

Bren!! I was just about to post, when I saw your Testify review/poem!! It's brill!!! I LOVE it!! Thank you. You just got MY day off to a great start!!! Sounds like yours has been interesting, too!

I hadn't thought about about playing Testify full volume at 7 in the morning for my two 89-year-olds here. Do you think it would do anything for them??? Hummm. May have to give that a try. Mornings aren't too easy around here! I'm not sure if it would help them or ME, but I can use all the help I can get!

Thanks, Bren!! Big hugs to everyone there!

Hope everyone has a great day!!

Love,
MB
xxx

mariella · 13 May 2003, 18:02

Hi MB,

Good to see you here. Always a pleasure!
Hope you have a great day, specially after reading that beautiful poem Bren has written! Thank you, Bren!

My children don't like Meat Loaf at all. Wonder what I done wrong?

But they think Testify is 'okay'. Glad about that because they have to listen to it over and over again!

Great day to you all,

Mariella

sherrie87 · 13 May 2003, 18:34

Mariella,

Same story here- my son (6) doesn't really like ML music- he says it hurts his ears- but he loves "Testify". It must be that Southern Baptist background we've raised him in- the boy knows good gospel influenced music when he hears it! He gets so tired of the Storytellers DVD that he actually groans when I put it on, but he loves to hear Testify. (I almost don't want to tell him they are both ML, for fear that he'll lose his love of Testify!)

Sherrie

Lorraine · 13 May 2003, 19:58

Both my children love Meat but as they were born listening to him I guess they had no choice

My daughter is doing her GCSE at the moment so I kinda know what you are going through (sort of second hand)

My son has done some of his National Testing as well recently
My fav track is Why Isn't that Enough at the mo as well as LYOL
Lorraine

badger · 13 May 2003, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBrevard

Hi, Badger! Thanks for stopping by again. And thank you, also, for your kind words. You are fairly new here, but you have added an enthusiasm and joy in your postings around the forum and I, too, have enjoyed reading yours!! Please stay with all of us for a while. Okay?

Thankyou, I hope to stay for a good while as yet :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBrevard

"A personal internet revolution"??? Oooh... Sounds kinky!

Sorry, couldn't resist! :P

Well, I am quite sure I have no idea what you could be reffering to, I am but an innoncent young soul

Bren · 13 May 2003, 20:39

Thanks MB,
Thanks Mariella,Glad you liked my poem.

MBrevard · 14 May 2003, 18:23

Hi, friends!! Hope your day is off to a great start!!

Lorraine! Welcome! Thanks for stopping by! So, you're going through what Bren is with Meshurp Werfifer! It's been such a long time since I've been there, but I do remember the pressure these kinds of tests put on kids!! But these other tests I haven't heard of. We just had the SATs. What is National Testing? Do these tests allow the kids to be considered for other schools, colleges, etc.? Just curious as to where they lead.

I don't have children, and thankfully, the only tests my dogs have to pass are their yearly physicals!

Guess I got it easy!!

Good choices, Lorraine, for favorite songs on CHSIB!! Lots of folks around here would certainly agree with you {she wrote, as LYOL plays in the background. Funny, that!}.

Well, Mariella and Sherrie: Sounds like we've gotta problem here. Kids not liking Meat????!!!!! Could it be because their MOTHERS ARE SO CRAZY ABOUT HIM????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hummmmmmm. A little jealousy factor? Or is it just not their kind of music------YET?? (I believe that Meat comes to all of us, in his own time and in his own way!

)

But what I found extremely interesting about both your responses is their reaction to Testify! Is this the universal song that everyone, I mean, EVERYONE can/will love, no matter how they feel about the rest of Meat's music, no matter how they feel about music, in general?

If children, in their innocence, gravitate toward it, I find that really fascinating.

What do y'all think??

And as for them not liking Meat, I guess we can't ask Bren how she got hers to like them--because THEY're the ones who turned HER on to him.

Someone else have some suggestions?

And as for you, Badger:

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger

Well, I am quite sure I have no idea what you could be reffering to, I am but an innoncent young soul

Oh yeah!! We're all sitting here believin' that one!!!!

Hope everyone has a great day!

Love to all,
MB
xxx

sherrie87 · 14 May 2003, 19:25

Good morning MB!

Yes, I think you may be right- there may be a bit of jealousy on my son's part about how much I like ML. I play his music, videos, etc whenever I have a free moment and my son would prefer that I play with him 24/7. (though I practically do!) Also, in my case, I think he had picked up a bit of a dislike of ML from my husband. My husband refers to ML as "meatballs", for some reason. (Though the other day I was playing BOOH and when he heard "2 Out of 3" he said "There is no way that's a meatballs song! I love that song!") Maybe there is hope for him yet- if only we can get him to say ML's name right!

Sherrie

Tim · 15 May 2003, 18:09

If i tell my friends i am a fan of Meat Loaf... thay always say Meat Loaf in Dutch = Gehakt brood.... and they think it's funny... can't laugh about it.

MBrevard · 16 May 2003, 11:06

Hi there, friends!

Hey, Tim. I have to admit, if you ever came up to me and said "Gehakt brood," I'd probably laugh, too!

Somehow "Couldn't Have Said It Better" by Gehakt brood does NOT have the same ring to it!!!

Anybody ever tell you you're a SILLY person, mister?!!! And I don't think Heat's influence on you has helped at all!

Oh, by the way, have you PM'd Sara Douglas yet?? Ah, come on. You can tell US!! We KNOW you want to!!

Ah HA, Sherrie! Just as I thought! The son AND husband are both starting to revolt. Now, you see, this has me a bit worried. After reading some posts in other threads on the forum, we can see that other women are beginning to have the same problem with their husbands. Is there a pattern forming??

Badger, just a few days ago, said quite clearly here that the "Meat Loaf Revolution is upon us"! I'm sure he didn't mean that husbands and children would be the ones revolting, did he

As for calling ML "MeatbBalls," I think you'd better find out if your hubby is related to Tom Snyder!! Did you ever see the first interview Meat did with him on his late night show back in '78? Tom kept calling him "MeatBall" throughout the whole program! And the sad (infuriating) thing is, HE wasn't kidding! That's what he was honestly calling him!!

My dad teases me all the time by calling Meat "Roast Beef." Only thing is, I know he likes him, so he's doing it just to get my goat! (Hey, wait a minute! Is anyone else around here getting hungry??)

Hey, Tim. You know I make a pretty mean Gehakt brood. Shame you live so far away. If I were to send one to you, by the time it got there, you'd probably think "mean" was a pretty accurate description!

Take care, everyone! Hope you're all having a terrific day!!

Love to each of you,
MB
xxx

Louise · 16 May 2003, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherrie87

Same story here- my son (6) doesn't really like ML music- he says it hurts his ears-
Sherrie

I have trained my 4 year old son well. He knows all the words to 'Forever Young' which annoys his father who doesn't like Meat and is trying to get him into Frank Zappa instead!

He will NOT succeed

Louise · 16 May 2003, 12:49

I meant, he knows all the words to 'because of you'.

forever young will be the next one he learns by heart!

sherrie87 · 16 May 2003, 16:06

MBrevard wrote:

Quote:

Ah HA, Sherrie! Just as I thought! The son AND husband are both starting to revolt. Now, you see, this has me a bit worried. After reading some posts in other threads on the forum, we can see that other women are beginning to have the same problem with their husbands. Is there a pattern forming??

Well, clearly it's ML's overwhelming influence as the Sex God- our spouses fear our strong reactions to ML so they revolt! My husband did agree to go with me should ML schedule a Florida concert (please, please schedule a Florida concert) later in the year, so that's progress I guess!

Sherrie

MBrevard · 17 May 2003, 11:08

Hi, Louise!!! Welcome!

Go, girl, go!! "Because of You" is an excellent start!! (By the way, which Zappa song is your hubby trying to teach him?)

Well, one thing's for sure. Your 4-year-old is bound to be a rocker--one way or the other!!

Let's try to keep him away from the 'dark force,' though!!!

Sherrie, Meat has GOT to be coming to Florida--if not during the first leg of the tour, then the final leg of it. And you know, once your hubby goes to a concert, Meat's got him!!!

It's only a matter of time...!!! Right? As I've said before, Meat comes to each of us in his own way, in his own time!!! (Of course, most of us ladies wouldn't mind him coming to us as he came to Dottie on G.N., but hey, that's another story!!!!

)

Have a great Saturday, dear friends, wherever you are!

Love to you all,
MB
xxx

mumfej · 17 May 2003, 19:11

Hi all,
i`d just like to say, i`v got a 9 year old girl who has been putting up with me playing my CHSIB cd over and over again since i got it a week a go, to my amazement she has learnt all the words even song no`4 Love you out Loud, am i being prudish or are these the word that a 9 year old should`t sing.She has no idea what they mean i realy don`t wona sound as though i`v a one track mind but to me it`s a sexual song,(am i wrong),i`v said she should`t sing it till she`s old enough to understand it,

it` aint right when we`r in the car with my Mum & Dad and she`s got it word perfect. Please tell me if i`v got this all wrong, being new on this forum forgive me if i`v put this in the wrong place.

Ben · 17 May 2003, 19:41

personally mumfej, i think that its fine. im sure that you've brought her up in the right way so that she knows what to say and what not to say. if shes singing it in a song, i dont see any problem. but thats just my opionion.

MBrevard · 17 May 2003, 22:55

Hi! Terrific answer, Ben! Thanks for responding!

Mumfej, thanks for coming here. So nice to hear from you.

I certainly agree with Ben! Your 9-year-old is innocently singing a song, that she does not understand. So, there are NO sexual references there.

To an adult ear, it's obviously different. But she's singing the song because she likes the melody and the sounds of the words. I, myself, like to sing along with it because the words flow so smoothly, that it actually feels good to sing it.

If you tell her not to, she won't understand and begin to question why. That might lead to more questions from a 9-year-old than you care to answer at this point in her life.

This is a truly innocent act. Even adults sing songs that don't relate directly to their lives. Music enriches everyone's life--that's one reason we're all here at this forum. I'd say, allow her her innocence and joy of the music of CHSIB.

I'm teasing here, but if anyone asks about it, you can always tell them it's a Meat Loaf song and they'll probably laugh and understand entirely!!

If you want to talk about it more, Mumfej, please feel free to come by here again anytime. We'd all love to hear from you!

Love,
MB
xxx

mumfej · 18 May 2003, 14:49

Thanks MB and Ben,i know i`v made more off this than i should have but i don`t want people laughing at her,especially at school, your right if she loves the words as i do she should be able to sing the song.

thanks again for your advice
love mumfej :P

MBrevard · 19 May 2003, 13:20

Hi, Mumfej! I'm so glad that you're feeling better about your daughter and her singing these songs.

When you think about it, this is actually something nice that the two of you have in common right now--your love for CHSIB! So, relax and have fun during this time with her, as I'm sure you are!!

I'm also sure that Meat would be very happy to hear how much you are both enjoying the new album!! It's something he's obviously poured his heart and soul into! That, above all, shines through, doesn't it?!!

Thanks, Mumfej, for stopping by again! Come by and chat anytime!!

Love,
MB
xxx

sherrie87 · 30 May 2003, 06:28

mumfej wrote:

Quote:

, i`v got a 9 year old girl who has been putting up with me playing my CHSIB cd over and over again since i got it a week a go, to my amazement she has learnt all the words even song no`4 Love you out Loud, am i being prudish or are these the word that a 9 year old should`t sing.She has no idea what they mean i realy don`t wona sound as though i`v a one track mind but to me it`s a sexual song

I finally got to play CHSIB in the car today while my husband was driving (only because it's my birthday- any other day we have to listen to Garth Brooks while he drives!) and he was a bit startled by the lyrics to "Love You Out Loud". Sheesh, I think he's been listening to too much sissy country music!
My six year old son has learned "Hot Patootie", and now it's ALL about his bootie, so far as the way he sings it. It used to just be the title line, but now he has found a way to relate every line to his bum. Goodness, I can't wait until he sings it for his Dad, the aforementioned country music fan!

Sherrie

MBrevard · 30 May 2003, 12:24

Sherrie! I think that's a BIG step in the right direction--you got your hubby to actually listen to the songs!!! Next stop--the concerts!!!

You can do it!!

I wish I could hear some of these kids singing Meat's songs! What a riot!! I love it! Please share your husband's reaction, when he hears your son! (Saw his photos, by the way! What a sweetie he is!! )

Love,
MB
xxx

Testify · 30 May 2003, 13:10

one of my friends saw the GN show n thought the performance was great n thought Meat rocked, but three days l8r and its 'i've gone off his music now, i dont like it!!' how dare she!! she said she still liked Meat tho!!

i thought i had finally turned someone to listen to his great music but no.

13 May 2003, 17:37	#51
MBrevard Super Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2003 Location: Deceased Posts: 761	Good morning (I never know which time zone to say hi in! ). Meshurp Werfifer, two sets of tests? My sympathies!! I remember just the one and that was enough! What's the advantage of taking the math test early? Just curious, since only 12 of you decided to do it. And by the way, don't say you're going to fail. Don't even think you're going to fail. You need to keep positive. I'm being serious here. You need to think positively. You need to keep talking as if you have already passed the test! I know it sounds silly, kiddo. But that, in addition, of course, to all the studying you are now doing, WILL help! Eighth row! All right!!! You guys must have called for tickets REALLY early! How big is that arena? Do you have any idea? Is it a totally seated venue or are there standing areas, as well?? Hi, Badger! Thanks for stopping by again. And thank you, also, for your kind words. You are fairly new here, but you have added an enthusiasm and joy in your postings around the forum and I, too, have enjoyed reading yours!! Please stay with all of us for a while. Okay? "A personal internet revolution"??? Oooh... Sounds kinky! Sorry, couldn't resist! :P You mentioned Hyde Park last year. Did you say that you both would be going to some of the concerts this year, as well? How does your girlfriend like the new album?? Bren!! I was just about to post, when I saw your Testify review/poem!! It's brill!!! I LOVE it!! Thank you. You just got MY day off to a great start!!! Sounds like yours has been interesting, too! I hadn't thought about about playing Testify full volume at 7 in the morning for my two 89-year-olds here. Do you think it would do anything for them??? Hummm. May have to give that a try. Mornings aren't too easy around here! I'm not sure if it would help them or ME, but I can use all the help I can get! Thanks, Bren!! Big hugs to everyone there! Hope everyone has a great day!! Love, MB xxx

13 May 2003, 18:02	#52
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	Hi MB, Good to see you here. Always a pleasure! Hope you have a great day, specially after reading that beautiful poem Bren has written! Thank you, Bren! My children don't like Meat Loaf at all. Wonder what I done wrong? But they think Testify is 'okay'. Glad about that because they have to listen to it over and over again! Great day to you all, Mariella

13 May 2003, 18:34	#53
sherrie87 Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.02.2003 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 1,262	Mariella, Same story here- my son (6) doesn't really like ML music- he says it hurts his ears- but he loves "Testify". It must be that Southern Baptist background we've raised him in- the boy knows good gospel influenced music when he hears it! He gets so tired of the Storytellers DVD that he actually groans when I put it on, but he loves to hear Testify. (I almost don't want to tell him they are both ML, for fear that he'll lose his love of Testify!) Sherrie

13 May 2003, 19:58	#54
Lorraine Junior Loafer Join Date: 13.04.2003 Posts: 41	Both my children love Meat but as they were born listening to him I guess they had no choice My daughter is doing her GCSE at the moment so I kinda know what you are going through (sort of second hand) My son has done some of his National Testing as well recently My fav track is Why Isn't that Enough at the mo as well as LYOL Lorraine

13 May 2003, 20:39	#56
Bren The Bat Join Date: 23.03.2003 Location: Roosting on a Silver-Black Phantom Bike. Posts: 10,017	Thanks MB, Thanks Mariella,Glad you liked my poem.

14 May 2003, 19:25	#58
sherrie87 Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.02.2003 Location: Largo, FL Posts: 1,262	Good morning MB! Yes, I think you may be right- there may be a bit of jealousy on my son's part about how much I like ML. I play his music, videos, etc whenever I have a free moment and my son would prefer that I play with him 24/7. (though I practically do!) Also, in my case, I think he had picked up a bit of a dislike of ML from my husband. My husband refers to ML as "meatballs", for some reason. (Though the other day I was playing BOOH and when he heard "2 Out of 3" he said "There is no way that's a meatballs song! I love that song!") Maybe there is hope for him yet- if only we can get him to say ML's name right! Sherrie

15 May 2003, 18:09	#59
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	If i tell my friends i am a fan of Meat Loaf... thay always say Meat Loaf in Dutch = Gehakt brood.... and they think it's funny... can't laugh about it.

16 May 2003, 11:06	#60
MBrevard Super Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2003 Location: Deceased Posts: 761	Hi there, friends! Hey, Tim. I have to admit, if you ever came up to me and said "Gehakt brood," I'd probably laugh, too! Somehow "Couldn't Have Said It Better" by Gehakt brood does NOT have the same ring to it!!! Anybody ever tell you you're a SILLY person, mister?!!! And I don't think Heat's influence on you has helped at all! Oh, by the way, have you PM'd Sara Douglas yet?? Ah, come on. You can tell US!! We KNOW you want to!! Ah HA, Sherrie! Just as I thought! The son AND husband are both starting to revolt. Now, you see, this has me a bit worried. After reading some posts in other threads on the forum, we can see that other women are beginning to have the same problem with their husbands. Is there a pattern forming?? Badger, just a few days ago, said quite clearly here that the "Meat Loaf Revolution is upon us"! I'm sure he didn't mean that husbands and children would be the ones revolting, did he As for calling ML "MeatbBalls," I think you'd better find out if your hubby is related to Tom Snyder!! Did you ever see the first interview Meat did with him on his late night show back in '78? Tom kept calling him "MeatBall" throughout the whole program! And the sad (infuriating) thing is, HE wasn't kidding! That's what he was honestly calling him!! My dad teases me all the time by calling Meat "Roast Beef." Only thing is, I know he likes him, so he's doing it just to get my goat! (Hey, wait a minute! Is anyone else around here getting hungry??) Hey, Tim. You know I make a pretty mean Gehakt brood. Shame you live so far away. If I were to send one to you, by the time it got there, you'd probably think "mean" was a pretty accurate description! Take care, everyone! Hope you're all having a terrific day!! Love to each of you, MB xxx

16 May 2003, 12:49	#62
Louise Super Loafer Join Date: 23.04.2003 Location: East Yorkshire, UK Posts: 235	I meant, he knows all the words to 'because of you'. forever young will be the next one he learns by heart!

17 May 2003, 11:08	#64
MBrevard Super Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2003 Location: Deceased Posts: 761	Hi, Louise!!! Welcome! Go, girl, go!! "Because of You" is an excellent start!! (By the way, which Zappa song is your hubby trying to teach him?) Well, one thing's for sure. Your 4-year-old is bound to be a rocker--one way or the other!! Let's try to keep him away from the 'dark force,' though!!! Sherrie, Meat has GOT to be coming to Florida--if not during the first leg of the tour, then the final leg of it. And you know, once your hubby goes to a concert, Meat's got him!!! It's only a matter of time...!!! Right? As I've said before, Meat comes to each of us in his own way, in his own time!!! (Of course, most of us ladies wouldn't mind him coming to us as he came to Dottie on G.N., but hey, that's another story!!!! ) Have a great Saturday, dear friends, wherever you are! Love to you all, MB xxx

17 May 2003, 19:11	#65
mumfej Rookie Join Date: 09.05.2003 Location: England Posts: 8	Hi all, i`d just like to say, i`v got a 9 year old girl who has been putting up with me playing my CHSIB cd over and over again since i got it a week a go, to my amazement she has learnt all the words even song no`4 Love you out Loud, am i being prudish or are these the word that a 9 year old should`t sing.She has no idea what they mean i realy don`t wona sound as though i`v a one track mind but to me it`s a sexual song,(am i wrong),i`v said she should`t sing it till she`s old enough to understand it, it` aint right when we`r in the car with my Mum & Dad and she`s got it word perfect. Please tell me if i`v got this all wrong, being new on this forum forgive me if i`v put this in the wrong place.

17 May 2003, 19:41	#66
Ben Mega Loafer Join Date: 19.03.2003 Location: Kent, England Posts: 4,163	personally mumfej, i think that its fine. im sure that you've brought her up in the right way so that she knows what to say and what not to say. if shes singing it in a song, i dont see any problem. but thats just my opionion.

17 May 2003, 22:55	#67
MBrevard Super Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2003 Location: Deceased Posts: 761	Hi! Terrific answer, Ben! Thanks for responding! Mumfej, thanks for coming here. So nice to hear from you. I certainly agree with Ben! Your 9-year-old is innocently singing a song, that she does not understand. So, there are NO sexual references there. To an adult ear, it's obviously different. But she's singing the song because she likes the melody and the sounds of the words. I, myself, like to sing along with it because the words flow so smoothly, that it actually feels good to sing it. If you tell her not to, she won't understand and begin to question why. That might lead to more questions from a 9-year-old than you care to answer at this point in her life. This is a truly innocent act. Even adults sing songs that don't relate directly to their lives. Music enriches everyone's life--that's one reason we're all here at this forum. I'd say, allow her her innocence and joy of the music of CHSIB. I'm teasing here, but if anyone asks about it, you can always tell them it's a Meat Loaf song and they'll probably laugh and understand entirely!! If you want to talk about it more, Mumfej, please feel free to come by here again anytime. We'd all love to hear from you! Love, MB xxx

18 May 2003, 14:49	#68
mumfej Rookie Join Date: 09.05.2003 Location: England Posts: 8	Thanks MB and Ben,i know i`v made more off this than i should have but i don`t want people laughing at her,especially at school, your right if she loves the words as i do she should be able to sing the song. thanks again for your advice love mumfej :P

19 May 2003, 13:20	#69
MBrevard Super Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2003 Location: Deceased Posts: 761	Hi, Mumfej! I'm so glad that you're feeling better about your daughter and her singing these songs. When you think about it, this is actually something nice that the two of you have in common right now--your love for CHSIB! So, relax and have fun during this time with her, as I'm sure you are!! I'm also sure that Meat would be very happy to hear how much you are both enjoying the new album!! It's something he's obviously poured his heart and soul into! That, above all, shines through, doesn't it?!! Thanks, Mumfej, for stopping by again! Come by and chat anytime!! Love, MB xxx

30 May 2003, 12:24	#71
MBrevard Super Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2003 Location: Deceased Posts: 761	Sherrie! I think that's a BIG step in the right direction--you got your hubby to actually listen to the songs!!! Next stop--the concerts!!! You can do it!! I wish I could hear some of these kids singing Meat's songs! What a riot!! I love it! Please share your husband's reaction, when he hears your son! (Saw his photos, by the way! What a sweetie he is!! ) Love, MB xxx

30 May 2003, 13:10	#72
Testify ragamuffin Join Date: 21.05.2003 Location: xxx daydreaming xxx Posts: 5,023	one of my friends saw the GN show n thought the performance was great n thought Meat rocked, but three days l8r and its 'i've gone off his music now, i dont like it!!' how dare she!! she said she still liked Meat tho!! i thought i had finally turned someone to listen to his great music but no.