RIP: michael jackson - Page 3

carole · 27 Jun 2009, 01:25

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

True.
If he was a child molesterer, he should burn in hell for all eternity, but I don't believe he was into anything like that.
I don't think he was mentaly capable of doing those things.
Jackson was still a child himself, and I think that a few cynical people took advantage of his generous and innocent nature and made a killing off it.

I agree with all that, Michael Jackson had no childhood, and I think he tried to make up for it later in life. He was naive and taken advantage of by other people. I feel he lived a very sad and lonely life and he couldn't even walk down the street without being harrassed by media or fans, so he resorted to behaving very bizarrely. I really did feel sorry for him, not being able to live a normal life. I was never a huge fan of his, but I grew up with his music and didn't mind some of his songs. Hopefully now he is at peace. I woke up yesterday to the news about Farrah Fawcett, which saddened me, then to hear about Michael Jackson, and it was a huge shock and still hard to get my head around. I imagine his fans must be devastated. A TV show here ran a competition to go to his London concert, I can't imagine how the winner now must be feeling. They would be gutted.
Carole

RSG · 27 Jun 2009, 02:23

Unique man! His loss leaves me with no words @ this very present.

MeatGrl1 · 27 Jun 2009, 02:37

Was Michael Jackson killed by injection to ease his pain? Police to quiz star's doctor

YouTube Video

MeatGrl1 · 27 Jun 2009, 02:47

YouTube Video

duke knooby · 27 Jun 2009, 02:51

that was almost always guaranteed to happen...
where's quincy when he's needed???

nikox1 · 27 Jun 2009, 03:06

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Is that right Yoda

yep! thats right

Pudding · 27 Jun 2009, 23:40

There's a Michael Jackson Hoax Death website now --->HERE Where it's awash with nonsensical theories that's substantiated with utter bullshit

AndrewG · 28 Jun 2009, 00:14

Interesting some branded Michael Jackson as "wacko jacko" and then you get nutjobs like that setting up such websites.

Some people are just never convinced that life is quite a fragile thing. It can be over in a blink when making mistakes.

MeatGrl1 · 28 Jun 2009, 01:05

Let the man rest, I think these people are cutching at straws and not wanting to believe he has gone. It's like with anyone this isn't respecting the dead it's disrespecting them and hurting their loved ones more.

MeatGrl1 · 29 Jun 2009, 15:48

This has made me cry, it's Lisa's tribute to Michael and she talks about a conversation they had a few years ago... It's heartbreaking;

Lisa Marie's blog entry.

I've just read it and I have tears in my eyes.

R.I.P Michael

MeatGrl1 · 29 Jun 2009, 19:06

YouTube Video

I like how this was put together, how Michael was with his fans was often overlooked in the media and/or otherwise.

AndrewG · 29 Jun 2009, 20:07

For someone who is a not a "fan of him as a person" you sure seem to have a fascination with him now that he his dead or am I wrong?

MeatGrl1 · 29 Jun 2009, 21:12

Andrew,
I do respect the man and though I may not have been a fan of the person there is no denying that he was a very caring person when he was alive and cared deeply for his fans, I posted Lisa's blog because I love her and because I wanted to share it, thought it was interesting how she brought to light the conversation she had with Michael (presumably when they were married, 1994-95) how he probed about her father and how he envisioned that he would go the similar way and just imagine what it must of been like seeing a similar thing happen to her ex husband that she first saw with her dad, that triggered me off because I can't imagine it.

Out of curiosity I was on you tube and found the video, I thought it was really touching, also saw the full clip of You Are Not Alone where the female fan just rushes onto the stage and he's unfazed by it, just carries on singing and uses her as part of the show if you like and then nearing the end of the song nods to the security to take her off, but in answer to your question no it is not a sudden fascination, just something I have observed, and finding the video and posting it now may seem like that but it isn't. On Sunday on one of the front pages of a paper there was a picture of his father laughing, that made me feel sick being his son died just days earlier...

May he finally be laid to rest.

AndrewG · 29 Jun 2009, 21:56

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Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

... and cared deeply for his fans..

From what I can deduce he thought many people/media absolutely hated and despised him. The fact that he sold out those planned 50 shows at the O2 probably surprised him too.

Many media reports concerning him are sickening to say the least. It all started back in the mid 80s right up until now with The Sun printing sickening autopsy facts which are not true. And there is also a lot wrong with the context how they print stuff. There was an article in a newspaper (which indeed I never by in this country) I was reading on the way back on the train from the Hyde Park festival yesterday about a nanny who was formerly employed by MJ saying she thought it was sick that his family phoned her asking about if he hid money anywhere in the house (sick that they were thinking of that so very early on after he died). I don't know about you but if I was clearing out a RENTED house of a dead family member I certainly would like to know if there was money anywhere indeed! The media in a way buried MJ before he was even dead, that's the way I see it all.

I sure hope to god none of child molestation alligations are true. The fact that the people who sued him were for a large part into it for the money certainly does make me wonder if their stories were not fabricated but I do think it is wrong for a 40 year old man to be sleeping with children in any shape of form.

I do think it is a shame he never got a chance to make a comeback.
It would not surprise me if he intentionally took an overdose on Thursday as the concerts were scaring him to death.

MeatGrl1 · 29 Jun 2009, 22:12

No I think when he said people, he meant outside the fanbase, the parazzi and papers, could be wrong and I have to agree the majority of the papers are really having a field day and not caring what is fact or fiction. Sunday there were MJ tribute puill outs, send for a free MJ tribute t-shirt which let's be honest you won't recieve.. I saved up a week worth of tokens and sent the cheque to recieve this Elvis poster and the cheque got cashed but I never recieved the poster so when I see you have to send off I ignore it.
But the tributes I agree with and gives the fans a souvenir, but the details of recent events are still a mystery though we know he died of a heart attack.
Mum thinks it was assisted suicide but nobody really knows and I think that's why the media are loving it, which is sick I know.
As for the allegations against child abuse, IDK what to think about that, it's wrong that an adult is sharing a bed with a child, but in his own mind he might of thought nothing was wrong with it and tried to relive a childhood he lost.
Personal opinion though.

**allrevvedup** · 29 Jun 2009, 22:29

I don't believe we'll ever fully know the truth and in some ways I hope we don't, because this "public must know" thing is usually a load of bs.

I'm sure there were many things that Jackson wouldn't have wanted to come to light. Likewise there are probably those who were around him that were somewhat shady that will not want things to come out.

I hope his family, including his children, are allowed some peace and time to grieve but at the same time I hope that his family don't see this as an opportunity to thrust themselves back in the spotlight.

There were various stories about jealousy around the time of Thriller, hence the ill fated Jackson 5 reunion that failed badly but was all about making money. There were a lot of rumours of this happening again, mainly spun by other family members, within the last year.

I don't think he was as innocent as he maintained. Creatively he was something else and that's how he should be remembered

Wario · 29 Jun 2009, 22:42

My most popular thread to date

Evil One · 29 Jun 2009, 22:55

And not a poll in sight!

Pudding · 30 Jun 2009, 00:01

The news about him has gone completely retarded

I think MJ's Dad is more Wacko than what Jacko was, that man is completely nuts

MeatGrl1 · 30 Jun 2009, 00:38

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I think MJ's Dad is more Wacko than what Jacko was, that man is completely nuts

I totally agree !

Pudding · 30 Jun 2009, 01:10

Apparently Papa Jacko is crying on the inside

daveake · 30 Jun 2009, 01:15

Is that another result of plastic surgery gone wrong?

MeatGrl1 · 30 Jun 2009, 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

Apparently Papa Jacko is crying on the inside

I do not believe that for a minute, he is a very sick individul who should be mourning the loss of a son not laughing and appearing to be having a really good time, it makes me feel really sick and then he comes out with that ?
God it's unbelievable, Michael's own father and then people wonder why Michael wasn't all together there, I think we get the answer looking at his father figure who let's face it isn't really one to begin with.

But back on topic...

MAY YOU REST IN PEACE MICHAEL

Pudding · 30 Jun 2009, 02:21

Jacko was the cash cow in that family and Papa Wacko must be wringing his hands at the thought of all that money rolling in now he's dead, after he pays off the reported $400million debt Jacko apparently had. Elvis was most profitable when he died and so was Kurt Cobain, this probably hasn't gone unnoticed

meat_loaf · 30 Jun 2009, 04:20

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Originally Posted by Pudding

That's one less child molestor off the streets, lets hope Gary Glitter is next.

Michael was not a Child molestor he was a child himself at heart and didnt see anything wrong with it, there was no sexually activity involved and even if he was gulity, u still shouldnt wish him dead we are all human and deserve equal rights and its been clairfied in the papers that The Jordan Chandler case was all lies he was in it for the money and hope to get some fame out of it, I personally believe michael was a kind and inocent man.

May his soul rest in peace.

29 Jun 2009, 21:12	#63
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Andrew, I do respect the man and though I may not have been a fan of the person there is no denying that he was a very caring person when he was alive and cared deeply for his fans, I posted Lisa's blog because I love her and because I wanted to share it, thought it was interesting how she brought to light the conversation she had with Michael (presumably when they were married, 1994-95) how he probed about her father and how he envisioned that he would go the similar way and just imagine what it must of been like seeing a similar thing happen to her ex husband that she first saw with her dad, that triggered me off because I can't imagine it. Out of curiosity I was on you tube and found the video, I thought it was really touching, also saw the full clip of *You Are Not Alone* where the female fan just rushes onto the stage and he's unfazed by it, just carries on singing and uses her as part of the show if you like and then nearing the end of the song nods to the security to take her off, but in answer to your question no it is not a sudden fascination, just something I have observed, and finding the video and posting it now may seem like that but it isn't. On Sunday on one of the front pages of a paper there was a picture of his father laughing, that made me feel sick being his son died just days earlier... May he finally be laid to rest. Last edited by MeatGrl1; 29 Jun 2009 at 21:42. Reason: Can't spell =P !

27 Jun 2009, 02:23	#52
RSG Mega Loafer Join Date: 27.07.2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,296	Unique man! His loss leaves me with no words @ this very present.

27 Jun 2009, 02:51	#55
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,883	that was almost always guaranteed to happen... where's quincy when he's needed???

27 Jun 2009, 23:40	#57
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	There's a Michael Jackson Hoax Death website now --->HERE Where it's awash with nonsensical theories that's substantiated with utter bullshit

28 Jun 2009, 00:14	#58
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Interesting some branded Michael Jackson as "wacko jacko" and then you get nutjobs like that setting up such websites. Some people are just never convinced that life is quite a fragile thing. It can be over in a blink when making mistakes.

28 Jun 2009, 01:05	#59
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	Let the man rest, I think these people are cutching at straws and not wanting to believe he has gone. It's like with anyone this isn't respecting the dead it's disrespecting them and hurting their loved ones more.

29 Jun 2009, 15:48	#60
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	This has made me cry, it's Lisa's tribute to Michael and she talks about a conversation they had a few years ago... It's heartbreaking; Lisa Marie's blog entry. I've just read it and I have tears in my eyes. R.I.P Michael

29 Jun 2009, 20:07	#62
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	For someone who is a not a "fan of him as a person" you sure seem to have a fascination with him now that he his dead or am I wrong?

29 Jun 2009, 22:12	#65
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	No I think when he said people, he meant outside the fanbase, the parazzi and papers, could be wrong and I have to agree the majority of the papers are really having a field day and not caring what is fact or fiction. Sunday there were MJ tribute puill outs, send for a free MJ tribute t-shirt which let's be honest you won't recieve.. I saved up a week worth of tokens and sent the cheque to recieve this Elvis poster and the cheque got cashed but I never recieved the poster so when I see you have to send off I ignore it. But the tributes I agree with and gives the fans a souvenir, but the details of recent events are still a mystery though we know he died of a heart attack. Mum thinks it was assisted suicide but nobody really knows and I think that's why the media are loving it, which is sick I know. As for the allegations against child abuse, IDK what to think about that, it's wrong that an adult is sharing a bed with a child, but in his own mind he might of thought nothing was wrong with it and tried to relive a childhood he lost. Personal opinion though.

29 Jun 2009, 22:29	#66
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	I don't believe we'll ever fully know the truth and in some ways I hope we don't, because this "public must know" thing is usually a load of bs. I'm sure there were many things that Jackson wouldn't have wanted to come to light. Likewise there are probably those who were around him that were somewhat shady that will not want things to come out. I hope his family, including his children, are allowed some peace and time to grieve but at the same time I hope that his family don't see this as an opportunity to thrust themselves back in the spotlight. There were various stories about jealousy around the time of Thriller, hence the ill fated Jackson 5 reunion that failed badly but was all about making money. There were a lot of rumours of this happening again, mainly spun by other family members, within the last year. I don't think he was as innocent as he maintained. Creatively he was something else and that's how he should be remembered

29 Jun 2009, 22:42	#67
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	My most popular thread to date

29 Jun 2009, 22:55	#68
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	And not a poll in sight!

30 Jun 2009, 00:01	#69
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	The news about him has gone completely retarded I think MJ's Dad is more Wacko than what Jacko was, that man is completely nuts

30 Jun 2009, 01:10	#71
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Apparently Papa Jacko is crying on the inside

30 Jun 2009, 01:15	#72
daveake 200% is the new 110% Join Date: 13.03.2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 2,983	Is that another result of plastic surgery gone wrong?

30 Jun 2009, 02:21	#74
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Jacko was the cash cow in that family and Papa Wacko must be wringing his hands at the thought of all that money rolling in now he's dead, after he pays off the reported $400million debt Jacko apparently had. Elvis was most profitable when he died and so was Kurt Cobain, this probably hasn't gone unnoticed