More detail about the WTTN Special Edition Release

[A Slice Of English]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Is Nothing Sacred was released as a single between Neighbourhood and CHSIB. No reason not to have it on as a bonus.

The mistake of putting the studio version of Red Light on the live disc is pathetic though.

Precisely my point. I actually preferred the solo version of Is Nothing Sacred as per the VBO album, but I had the single previously as well. I like the rest of the live tracks though.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Is Nothing Sacred was released as a single between Neighbourhood and CHSIB. No reason not to have it on as a bonus.

The mistake of putting the studio version of Red Light on the live disc is pathetic though.

It was pointless putting it on the live disc and to have it listed on the track listing as being a live recording wasn't very good either.

I'm happy with the DVD though, and for me that was the deciding factor in my purchasing it.

[A Slice Of English]

I thought the DVD was a bit pants actually. I liked having the videos of ILFY and Dry Eye but the Top of the Pops performances were mimes and therefore somewhat pointless to watch, even though I think the miming was excellently timed (!).

The only bit of interest to me on the DVD was the "Making of" part where Meat said it was his best ever vocal performance on this album (As of the date of the interview) but personally for me, I would say Bat 2 was his best ever vocal performance and I would maintain that to this day. I love the vocals on HCTB because they're raw, gravelly and impactful. I love Bat 2 for the purity though.

[JennaG]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

I thought the DVD was a bit pants actually. I liked having the videos of ILFY and Dry Eye but the Top of the Pops performances were mimes and therefore somewhat pointless to watch, even though I think the miming was excellently timed (!).

The only bit of interest to me on the DVD was the "Making of" part where Meat said it was his best ever vocal performance on this album (As of the date of the interview) but personally for me, I would say Bat 2 was his best ever vocal performance and I would maintain that to this day. I love the vocals on HCTB because they're raw, gravelly and impactful. I love Bat 2 for the purity though.

The 'Making of' part was good and I found that interesting and I liked having the two music videos on DVD as previously I'd only had YouTube quality vids.

I was a bit disappointed that the Top of The Pops performances were mimed but I'll find a use for them

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Skybird14

It was pointless putting it on the live disc and to have it listed on the track listing as being a live recording wasn't very good either.

so it has been misrepresented in the listings and packaging? sounds like anyone who wishes to get a refund is completely entitled to one... though i very much doubt anyone will want a refund

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

so it has been misrepresented in the listings and packaging? sounds like anyone who wishes to get a refund is completely entitled to one... though i very much doubt anyone will want a refund

I don't want a refund, although I do feel mightily peeved. As I stated above I bought this package specifically for the bonus features. That equates to TWO new (to CD) live tracks, the two music videos, two TOTP videos that I already knew were mimed and an interview that I've already seen!

It's a testiment to how starved of Meat content people on here are as to how easily satisfied they are with this product. Compare the offerings here to the Springsteen box set released a few months back and see how shortchanged we are as Meat fans. I've already had my rant about Not A Dry Eye, but would it have required so much effort to put the whole concert on DVD let alone CD?

[Adje]

I have mixed feelings about it. There it is "a Special Edition set". Great. But why is it done half *ss?

I'd expect they put someone on a SE box who cares about the product. But the set feels unisnpiring. They f*ck up the live cd. The clips on the dvd could have gotten an upgrade. It's 2011 so the least I expect is a 5.1 audio mix. But I guess they had the clips lying around and put them on the DVD (Oh wow, thanks).

Of course the box had stuff I appreciate but again it feels half *ss. If this S.E. was taken seriously we wouldn't have discussions about Dry Eye and Red Light. If the producers don't care then don't bother. I know Meat isn't the A-list artist of the moment but at least show some freaking respect. It's not like this is going to sell well. So this never could have been about making money. Only the Meat fans will buy this so take the Meat fans seriously and do stuff right.

Actually I don't have mixed feelings about it anymore... whoever is responsible, for a next time. Please don't bother and put someone on it who actually gives a damn.

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by Adje

It's 2011 so the least I expect is a 5.1 audio mix.

i reckon you did well to get an actual physical copy to admire and enjoy

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

i reckon you did well to get an actual physical copy to admire and enjoy

Exactly

[Wario]

I canceled my order on amazon. the only reason I got it was for the redlight live version.

If the company cant take a release like this to heart and check their tracks to make sure an obvious mistake like that makes it to print, I wont waste the money.

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

I canceled my order on amazon. the only reason I got it was for the redlight live version.

If the company cant take a release like this to heart and check their tracks to make sure an obvious mistake like that makes it to print, I wont waste the money.

I can't say I blame you. It absolutely boggles my mind that a CD can progress from track selection to compiling to mastering to printing and at no point does anyone go 'hey, this is the same as the studio version on disc 1'. Either that, or they simply didn't give a damn. That goes beyond carelessness, it's bordering on contempt.

Its a pity, because WTTN is a GREAT album, often overlooked in Meat's canon and richly deserving of a proper Special Edition and a reassessment. Unfortunately what we seem to have instead is an afterthought.

[jcmoorehead]

I still stand by what I said earlier in it being a great little item to have, but I will say that I'm quite disappointed that no one involved in the marketing/production of this has actually came out and offered a solid apology/explaination for the items that have been removed or didn't appear on the album. Nor has any move been made to compensate. I think a full refund for the sake of one or two songs is a bit much but maybe the people involved could track down the tracks from the concert and give us a digital download of them or something along those lines.

[A Slice Of English]

Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

I still stand by what I said earlier in it being a great little item to have, but I will say that I'm quite disappointed that no one involved in the marketing/production of this has actually came out and offered a solid apology/explaination for the items that have been removed or didn't appear on the album. Nor has any move been made to compensate. I think a full refund for the sake of one or two songs is a bit much but maybe the people involved could track down the tracks from the concert and give us a digital download of them or something along those lines.

They won't do that because people are bleating about it on some fan forum somewhere. More likely you'd have to make your complaint direct to the company itself rather than here otherwise they won't even realise people have a problem with it.

[AndyK]

The Springsteen box set was so well put together because Springsteen and his manager personally get involved in such releases. This release has been put out more than likely without Meat even knowing too much about it, other than what he's read on here.

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by jcmoorehead

I still stand by what I said earlier in it being a great little item to have, but I will say that I'm quite disappointed that no one involved in the marketing/production of this has actually came out and offered a solid apology/explaination for the items that have been removed or didn't appear on the album. Nor has any move been made to compensate. I think a full refund for the sake of one or two songs is a bit much but maybe the people involved could track down the tracks from the concert and give us a digital download of them or something along those lines.

Unfortunately they seem intent on treating the album's buyers in much the same way as they've treat the release.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by A Slice Of English

They won't do that because people are bleating about it on some fan forum somewhere. More likely you'd have to make your complaint direct to the company itself rather than here otherwise they won't even realise people have a problem with it.

Good luck with that. I sent an email on Friday afternoon and have yet to receive a response.

Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

Unfortunately they seem intent on treating the album's buyers in much the same way as they've treat the release.

[LucyK!]

As a collector I like it, it's nice to have a new "piece" even if the content isn't new. I'm also really pleased to have the Beatles covers and Oh What A Beautiful Morning all on the same disc.

Other than that I kinda feel that they've taken a good opportunity and only really done half a job The packaging is nice, and the print is nice, but I think back to those beautiful pulp-art images in the original release and wonder where they are. The package is nice, but it had potential to be stunning. The same with the print, it's lovely, but it could have been so much better with just a little more thought.

We've not watched the DVD yet so can't comment on that, but I guess I'm feeling that they've not done justice to the original album that I love so much (yes, even Martha!!)

[LucyK!]

But thank you very much to Kev for his part in getting it to us, good job yet again!

[lorenzoduke]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

As a collector I like it, it's nice to have a new "piece" even if the content isn't new. I'm also really pleased to have the Beatles covers and Oh What A Beautiful Morning all on the same disc.

Other than that I kinda feel that they've taken a good opportunity and only really done half a job The packaging is nice, and the print is nice, but I think back to those beautiful pulp-art images in the original release and wonder where they are. The package is nice, but it had potential to be stunning. The same with the print, it's lovely, but it could have been so much better with just a little more thought.

We've not watched the DVD yet so can't comment on that, but I guess I'm feeling that they've not done justice to the original album that I love so much (yes, even Martha!!)

I still haven't received my copy - did they seriously ditch the pulp images from the booklet?!

[evil nickname]

I received my copy today, and despite that my expectations were low, I was actually quite happy to find my expectations exceeded.

Sure, I still think that Is Nothing Sacred (and the TVBO-era pictures) should not be included because they have nothing to do with WttN, and it still is pretty weird that Red Light's inclusion on the 'Live in Concert' disc made it past quality control—but they've apparently remastered the album, all pulp-artwork is included (not as in the US version where they were made to look like pulp-novels, but in pretty much the same way as in the original European and Japanese pressings), and it is a pretty little package.

I've seen worse special/collectors/limited editions. *coughhangcoolboxthingycough*

[Ma.Ra]

The most problem I have with the CE, besides the album track on the live disc instead of not a dry eye, is the IWDAFL Studio Version Intro in the DVD menu.
This shows only how unprofessional people can work when they are not dedicated to something
What exactly was the problem with the booklet about a missing picture or wrong pictures? I didn't get that.


EDIT: How did you recognize it was remastered? Where do you hear differences?

[Ma.Ra]

Besides all negative (complaining on high level): I love thevideo quality of the videos! Didn't have any videos files from that time in such quality. Most pleasure is to see "young" Patti in such good picture quality.

[evil nickname]

Originally Posted by Ma.Ra

The most problem I have with the CE, besides the album track on the live disc instead of not a dry eye, is the IWDAFL Studio Version Intro in the DVD menu.

Yeah, that was also completely unnecessary. Still, it's slightly better than having Paradise there.

Originally Posted by Ma.Ra

EDIT: How did you recognize it was remastered? Where do you hear differences?

There's three indicators—warning, technical stuff ahead:
1) I process all CDs I rip through replay gain, which allows players who support that to play all albums (and songs) at the same loudness, so I don't have to adjust the volume every time. The original version has an album gain of -7.11 dB (this means that it is 7.11 dB louder than the replay gain standard of 89 dB), and the 2011 edition one of -6.22 dB. Different values suggest different masters.

2) I opened two versions in a wav-editor, and I saw that there were differences in the wave-forms. This also suggest that a different master was used.

And final one, which is also the TL;DR version:
3) it says so in the booklet: Remastered by Andy Pearce.

[allrevvedup]

Originally Posted by Lucy!

As a collector I like it, it's nice to have a new "piece" even if the content isn't new. I'm also really pleased to have the Beatles covers and Oh What A Beautiful Morning all on the same disc.

Other than that I kinda feel that they've taken a good opportunity and only really done half a job The packaging is nice, and the print is nice, but I think back to those beautiful pulp-art images in the original release and wonder where they are. The package is nice, but it had potential to be stunning. The same with the print, it's lovely, but it could have been so much better with just a little more thought.

I agree with you Ms Atkinson...

[melon]

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Yeah, that was also completely unnecessary. Still, it's slightly better than having Paradise there.



There's three indicators—warning, technical stuff ahead:
1) I process all CDs I rip through replay gain, which allows players who support that to play all albums (and songs) at the same loudness, so I don't have to adjust the volume every time. The original version has an album gain of -7.11 dB (this means that it is 7.11 dB louder than the replay gain standard of 89 dB), and the 2011 edition one of -6.22 dB. Different values suggest different masters.

2) I opened two versions in a wav-editor, and I saw that there were differences in the wave-forms. This also suggest that a different master was used.

And final one, which is also the TL;DR version:
3) it says so in the booklet: Remastered by Andy Pearce.

Ok, minus point 3 how do you explain all that without the technical stuff? ha ha