Hot Holidays

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Wario

Braver has been listed on a lot of worst album lists for 2016

It's sad I don't have much to defend that

I totally see why people hate it.

The more I listen to it the more I dislike it

Now all I really like is GATW, Dirty Job and souvenirs. Don't even care for More anymore

Although I can see where you are coming from the fact next to no time and/or money was spent on online work means that more people will see your type of criticisms rather than the positives which so easily could have been advertised (Proper music video / stuff including clips / studio photos / stories / interviews / competitions on ML website etc. etc.)


On top of all this I really think the pledge stuff has been shameful.
Never received the lithograph.
Doubt it ever existed.
A con just like the mid 1990s "official Meat Loaf fanclub" was.
Again more negative-related presence online which could have been avoided. The comments on the pledge site suggest it is not just me who hasn't received the thing. I doubt after all this waiting even when it does turn up it is worth a fraction of the cost. Regret buying it.

A very messy handling of what should have been a positive celebration of a final album.

I'm glad however I like the album so much and gave me quite a bit of joy (especially listening to GATW in full for the first time, felt like listening to Bat out of Hell live).
If for me Braver was in the same league as HCTB / HIAHB (I'm glad I found Braver SOOO much better) I would be quite depressed about Meat Loaf's music now. On that note I feel sorry for you Wario and other disappointed fans.
But it is what it is I guess, just a shame the non album stuff & everything beyond Meat's own personal promo has been dealt with like a total disaster. The final album deserved better.

If the same marketing approach would be taken for Hot Holidays then you gotta wonder what the point would be. But sure if Meat wants to do it, by all means I'd be interested in buying it.

But I realistically think this album is probably not going to happen.

[CarylB]

The more I listen to Braver the more I love it, the more I admire its groundbreaking concept, the more I agree with Meat and Jim.

However, I totally thought this thread was about the possibility of a Christmas album. Of course, as Meat and the recording companies are apparently so inept, he may not bother to go ahead with it .. but I still hope so .. whatever the title. It would be Meat, it would be Christmas rock 'n roll, and would give me huge pleasure

[nightinr]

Originally Posted by Wario

Braver has been listed on a lot of worst album lists for 2016

It's sad I don't have much to defend that

I totally see why people hate it.

The more I listen to it the more I dislike it

Now all I really like is GATW, Dirty Job and souvenirs. Don't even care for More anymore

Agreed GATW, Dirty job and souvenirs are the only songs I listen to. The second half of the album is awful. I do think GATW is great though and remains fresh however many times you listen to it. I'm afraid to say on reflection this is potentially the worst Meat Loaf album of all time.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by nightinr

Agreed GATW, Dirty job and souvenirs are the only songs I listen to. The second half of the album is awful. I do think GATW is great though and remains fresh however many times you listen to it. I'm afraid to say on reflection this is potentially the worst Meat Loaf album of all time.

Understand where you are coming from but for me Braver is like a 9 and HCTB is like a 3 and HIAHB a 5 if I had to compare only these 3. And I say that whilst I think HCTB has best production & best vocals. HIAHB worst production, medium vocals and Braver medium production and worst vocals.

[nightinr]

I liked HCTB Andrew as an album but it did lack a killer song which Braver does have in GATW. Felt HIAH was okayish but don't feel the urge to listen to it again.

It would be boring if we all agreed!

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by nightinr

It would be boring if we all agreed!

True and no point talking on here if we did. Might as well talk to a mirror.

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Wario

Braver has been listed on a lot of worst album lists for 2016

It's sad I don't have much to defend that

I totally see why people hate it.

The more I listen to it the more I dislike it

Now all I really like is GATW, Dirty Job and souvenirs. Don't even care for More anymore

I googled "worst albums of 2016". Here's the top 6 hits. No Meat, No Braver Lots of other modern popular artists thought

http://www.albumoftheyear.org/ratings/worst/2016/
http://www.albumoftheyear.org/ratings/worst/2016/1
http://ca.complex.com/music/2016/12/...t-albums-2016/
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/01...-to-kanye-west
http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/2...iewers-1913170
http://www.billboard.com/photos/7639...vers-of-2016/2

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by stretch37

I googled "worst albums of 2016". Here's the top 6 hits. No Meat, No Braver Lots of other modern popular artists thought

Yes, I searched to find all these worst albums of 2016 lists it's apparently listed on and came up empty handed too

[Vickip]

I love Braver Than We Are and still listen to it every day.

I remember Meat saying that Hot Holidays was going to be an album of Christmas duets ... and I would give anything to hear him singing along with Garth Brooks / Trisha Yearwood or Reba McEntire

[tonyloaf]

I think HCTB is a real rocker and the production is great

[Wario]

Nothing will beat HCTB and CHSIB imp. The two millennium records by Meat I will always stand by and love and cherish.

Originally Posted by stretch37

I googled "worst albums of 2016". Here's the top 6 hits. No Meat, No Braver Lots of other modern popular artists thought

http://www.albumoftheyear.org/ratings/worst/2016/
http://www.albumoftheyear.org/ratings/worst/2016/1
http://ca.complex.com/music/2016/12/...t-albums-2016/
http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/01...-to-kanye-west
http://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/2...iewers-1913170
http://www.billboard.com/photos/7639...vers-of-2016/2

Most of those sites don't know it exists aha

[loaferman61]

Trying to recall when the last Meat Loaf album was well promoted aside from Meat doing it pretty much single-handed. Maybe WTTN?

I don't think the Christmas album is likely unless it is just something Meat has a passion to record. He was very happy with Braver and traveled the world making appearances but I have not seen any sales figures. I like it and Meat and Jim love it, so it is what it is. Not a perfect album, but I never expected it to be, especially with Meat ailing, and Jim's limited involvement and age of the material. They gave it their best shot.
I still wonder if Jim could have produced Braver what the album would be like, of course Jim would probably sill be tinkering with it for a few more years.

[nikox1]

Bat 3 was promoted well enough, they just stopped then all of a sudden.

[nightinr]

What marketing do you want? Past Meat Loaf albums have had Tv adverts but realistically Meat no longer has the mainstream popularity to warrant that cost.

Fundamentally the first single markets the album....AFL made people buy Bat 2. Since WTTN Meat hasn't had a killer single unfortunately.

[tonyloaf]

I think people really liked the epic gothic like Meat Loaf videos and I feel more of these would really pushed it

[nikox1]

Nothing ever stays the same

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by tonyloaf

I think people really liked the epic gothic like Meat Loaf videos and I feel more of these would really pushed it

If Meat's back wasn't so effed, he could have done this.

But check his latest comments on his recent Facebook Page posts.

He says stuff like "I had spinal fusion. I don't know if i'll ever even be able to do TV or film again" and "I'm not sure if i'll ever work again". Go read for yourself in the comments. I'm sure as hell not posting here!

His back is so bad they're not sure he can even act - What does that tell you about Meat's capacity to do an epic, large production music video?

At this point, the Stage isn't even mentioned. At this point, Meat's done on the stage folks. I don't count him out forever because I'm an optimist at heart, but this is the current situation. IT sucks.

No, Meat needs to focus on his health and get better...

[rockfenris2005]

IMO, it should be about what's good, not about how old people are and because they had hit singles 25 years ago or whatever. One of the best examples of that for me actually IS Meat Loaf in 1993. I know it's the way of things, but I just don't get it. And I thought "Who needs the young?" was a comment on that too, and could have been really funny.

I just refuse to believe, personally, that there hasn't been any singles that couldn't have been big like something in the 90s, because every single album has had that moment for me, including the new one. The GATW edit was awful, but that could have been easy. Just edit out the first two movements of the songs, like seeing an image from Bosch and realizing later that it's a part of a triptych painting.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by stretch37

His back is so bad they're not sure he can even act - What does that tell you about Meat's capacity to do an epic, large production music video?

Meat's had a second major back surgery in a relatively short time frame, and is still often in considerable pain, something he has had more than his share of and which he must be so damn tired of. He has good days and bad days, and is perhaps not forcing the pace of his rehab as he did after his knee and first back surgery, which is good. He is working hard on weight loss which is good and will help, and wants to support the opening of Jim's musical. I agree that more touring seems very unlikely now, but I think his need to express himself as an artist will mean he's far from giving up all working, but also perhaps as frustrated with regular enquiries as to when he'll be appearing in Cowflap or Little Muggling as he is with the long road of rehabilitation .. hence some of his comments

And even if he were fit as a flea, he's said the record companies just don't offer the big budgets that epic scale music videos require.

It is horrid that he's having to face such a battle with pain and rehab, but it's good that he IS focusing on himself and not pushing himself to defy doctor's orders as he has done in the past. But like you, I have faith in his huge capacity for living his life and fulfilling his creative need. He will have days when he fears he may never work again .. and those when his head will be full of plans and ideas. He needs time

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Meat's had a second major back surgery in a relatively short time frame, and is still often in considerable pain, something he has had more than his share of and which he must be so damn tired of. He has good days and bad days, and is perhaps not forcing the pace of his rehab as he did after his knee and first back surgery, which is good. He is working hard on weight loss which is good and will help, and wants to support the opening of Jim's musical. I agree that more touring seems very unlikely now, but I think his need to express himself as an artist will mean he's far from giving up all working, but also perhaps as frustrated with regular enquiries as to when he'll be appearing in Cowflap or Little Muggling as he is with the long road of rehabilitation .. hence some of his comments

And even if he were fit as a flea, he's said the record companies just don't offer the big budgets that epic scale music videos require.

It is horrid that he's having to face such a battle with pain and rehab, but it's good that he IS focusing on himself and not pushing himself to defy doctor's orders as he has done in the past. But like you, I have faith in his huge capacity for living his life and fulfilling his creative need. He will have days when he fears he may never work again .. and those when his head will be full of plans and ideas. He needs time

Amen to that

[nightinr]

Originally Posted by CarylB

Meat's had a second major back surgery in a relatively short time frame, and is still often in considerable pain, something he has had more than his share of and which he must be so damn tired of. He has good days and bad days, and is perhaps not forcing the pace of his rehab as he did after his knee and first back surgery, which is good. He is working hard on weight loss which is good and will help, and wants to support the opening of Jim's musical. I agree that more touring seems very unlikely now, but I think his need to express himself as an artist will mean he's far from giving up all working, but also perhaps as frustrated with regular enquiries as to when he'll be appearing in Cowflap or Little Muggling as he is with the long road of rehabilitation .. hence some of his comments

And even if he were fit as a flea, he's said the record companies just don't offer the big budgets that epic scale music videos require.

It is horrid that he's having to face such a battle with pain and rehab, but it's good that he IS focusing on himself and not pushing himself to defy doctor's orders as he has done in the past. But like you, I have faith in his huge capacity for living his life and fulfilling his creative need. He will have days when he fears he may never work again .. and those when his head will be full of plans and ideas. He needs time

Yep let's hope he gets well soon. If anybody can beat these setbacks it's Meat!