I Won't Buy a "Copy Controlled" Album - Page 3

Sue K · 03 Oct 2003, 11:44

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Originally Posted by little_dancer

ok, maybe this is an unpopular thing to say (please don't hurt me!) but I don't think CD's are too expensive. Yes, 20.00/CD (canadian) is a lot of money for me - I am a dancer- we make VERY little.
BUT Apartments are WAY too expensive, Groceries are WAY too expensive- Heck, even busfare is WAY too expensive- that's just the economy that we live in...I don't mind saving up a little to get my favorite CD, it bothers me FAR less than saving up to take the bus every day (if you buy the discount bus pass in Toronto- the cheapest pass you can- it costs 1086.00/year!!!)
I know CD's are expensive if you only consider the actual material they are made out of, but don't forget what the real purpose of a CD is -MUSIC- there's almost nothing I wouldn't pay for great MUSIC...I'd rather see the prices go down for a lot of other things, I don't mind paying for a great CD>
sorry if that is unpopular, it's just another side of the coin :D
I REALLY don't want to sound preachy or argumentative- I know people may have a strong objection to what I've said in this post- PLEASE don't get angry- I respect everybody's opinion!

Having said that - if prices go down slightly, I'd certainly be thrilled!

..yes..it would be nice if the price in EVERYthing would go down.. :-) ...

while reading thru the posts ..i tried thinking 40 years back to what i paid for Beatles LPs and i have to think it was about...6 american dollars or so...i really can't remember... but if that is what it was...paying 11.99 for Meat's "LP" a week ago...seems an appropriate rise in pricing with the "cost of living" for 40 years...

as for the rest...i don't copy..i buy a cd...and tote the wee light little thing back and forth to work with me in a carry case....in fact i tote up to 15 cds back and forth to work with me...thinking about it..lol...powers that be bless technology..the thoughts of carrying 15 LPS back and forth is a back breaking thought...lol...

bottom line to me...the sales of cds is a part of how artists make their money... and altho one would copy a cd for their own use...there are some that would not...

i can't see getting angry about record companies and artists wanting to protect their income....

crim..the IRS keeps taking my money...what am i supposed to do??? takes some of the money being made by the record companies and the artist too...what are we ALL supposed to do???

evil nickname · 03 Oct 2003, 13:59

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Originally Posted by little_dancer

How exactly would a sharware program work in terms of income? I know that the clients must pay a user fee for this type of program, but are the artists getting payed by the download (in a peer to peer situation), or is it the shareware owner who benefits? (please excuse me if I am using the wrong terms, here)

As I posted earlier, shareware is not the correct term for p2p-filesharing software. That being said: with most filesharing-software like Kazaa, limewire, Napster (seems to be coming back in a legal form), soulseek, or pick your brand, no-one is required to pay for using them. There are some programs where you can buy 'benefits' (faster downloads, no waiting queue (sp?)).
Since there is no money be transfered, no one will get any money from it. How the companies/organisations who exploit these services make their money, I don't know, and frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. [/bogart]

There are some legal posibilities to aquire digital audio files, like Rhapsody, Pressplay, eMusic, etc. Here you have to pay for what you download. In one way or the other, that money ends up where it should be.

To summarize:
Filesharing = illegal = no one pay = no one gets money
Legal download services = legal (duh!) = you pay for what you download = whoever is entitled to money from downloads gets it

William

(for everyone who can read Dutch, research papers on copyright, software licences (including shareware) and legal audio downloads are available at my website, under projects > research)

Lady B · 04 Oct 2003, 02:16

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Adding my 2 cents or maybe not my 2 cents, CHSIB has been downloaded
off the internet 2,500,000 times. So far, that is 2 weeks ago.

ML

Part of me wants to cheer this like crazy but the other part is really concerned for you regarding copyrite infringement. As a songwriter myself (albeit amateur tho' working on a demo for publishing of several) I'm really having to think about this but can't really give any opinion at the moment because I don't know all the laws regarding royalties and all the downloading of music. Learning, but give me time.

Lady B

little_dancer · 06 Oct 2003, 18:15

thanks again for the information Evil, that clarifies things for me.

evil nickname · 08 Oct 2003, 13:20

Came across an article (here), with an statement I fully agree with:

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"What if they put copy protection in the disc and it doesn't ... reverse the decline of CD sales?" asked Phil Leigh, an analyst at Inside Digital Media. "If it doesn't help it's likely to hurt by just annoying people."

How true that is.

jcmoorehead · 08 Oct 2003, 22:23

Ok I buy my albums, i currently have 7 Meat Loaf Albums. Now heres the problem with copy protection.

I own a Portable MP3 Player. Now this means I have to record my albums onto my PC as MP3s and then put them onto my MP3 Player. This used to be easy. But now they are bring in stupid ideas that will make this illegal?

I mean MP3 players arn't cheap! And neither are Albums. And if I pay for the Album why shouldnt I be able to put it onto my MP3 Player? I dont want to lug around a Portable CD Player when my MP3 Player is half the size and half the weight. But now these copy protection rules are making it nearly impossible for me to do this simple thing.

I think that there DEFINATELY should be somewhere you can pay like 75p per track you want to download. This would put more interest into music and make it easier.

Shane · 09 Oct 2003, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Michel

But there is a simple reason for that. Fans always buy the CD of there favourite artist. People who like the music, but are not fans will not buy the CD, because it is too expensive. CD's are very expensive, a normal DVD is cheaper. If you make CD's a few euro's/dollars cheaper, people will buy more original CD's.

About the copy control. It is easy to crack. I also ripped the CD and put the songs on my hard disk. Not for sharing, but just for listening to it. I've done that with every Meat CD.

That's interesting...in New Zealand, DVDs are much more expensive than cds. Album CDs in New Zealand can be found for as little as $US9, depending on where you buy. The upper price limit for CDs in NZ is about $US24, with 2CD compilations generally being the only CDs that cost more. However, for DVDs that is usually the average price, and often they are more. A very small number of DVDs can be found for about $US16 but certainly no less. In New Zealand, the price of CHSIB ranges from about $US15 to about $US18.

I copied the CD for someone who I was sure would purchase (and since has purchased) the album. I used a computer at the university where I work, and Windows Media Player for the ripping. It was slow but had no other problems. The version I used was the German version, which has the copy control logo on it. I have now received the Australian version which does not have the logo or any other similar logo.

evil nickname · 09 Oct 2003, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Shane

That's interesting...in New Zealand, DVDs are much more expensive than cds. Album CDs in New Zealand can be found for as little as $US9, depending on where you buy. The upper price limit for CDs in NZ is about $US24, with 2CD compilations generally being the only CDs that cost more. However, for DVDs that is usually the average price, and often they are more. A very small number of DVDs can be found for about $US16 but certainly no less. In New Zealand, the price of CHSIB ranges from about $US15 to about $US18.

Wow. Here in The Netherlands, new/recent CDs cost anywhere between €16 and 24, but most chain-stores sell at €21.99 or something. My favorite shop is decently priced, with most CDs being about €18.99. And I still think it's too much. I remember there was a time when most CDs didn't cost more than NLG 39.99 - €17.8.
I haven't seen CHSIB for anything under €19 for the regular edition (without the bonus disk).
DVDs? I don't have a clue. Rarely buy them...

I do think the Euro is more expensive that the US Dollar at the moment, by the way

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Originally Posted by Shane

The version I used was the German version, which has the copy control logo on it. I have now received the Australian version which does not have the logo or any other similar logo.

Oh, I ripped that version alright. But since I also ordered the Australian edition (give me bonus tracks) -- seems like I'm ripping again, just to be sure. I think there are a few minor clicks to be heard in my rips.

But good to know that Australia is not joining in in this copy scam. At least, not in this case.

R. · 11 Oct 2003, 19:52

This is more general talk about "copy controlled" CDs, not exactly CHSIB related, and therefore OffTopic.

original sin · 11 Oct 2003, 20:46

I don't see why I shouldn't be able to make a copy for my own use of something I already have brought and paid for - i like to keep my favourite albums indoors and in the car.
I think this rather different to downloading stuff that is copyrighted or trying to record a live performance.

Sue K · 11 Oct 2003, 20:54

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Originally Posted by original sin

I don't see why I shouldn't be able to make a copy for my own use of something I already have brought and paid for - i like to keep my favourite albums indoors and in the car.
I think this rather different to downloading stuff that is copyrighted or trying to record a live performance.

Yes, have to agree with you, Sin. In the day, I would tape from my LPs in order to play them at work. Couldn't very well drag my stereo in on a daily basis.. 8-O ... ! I never gave it a second thought. And now thinking back a couple years, I did tape LIVE AROUND THE WORLD so I could listen to it on my tape playing walkman. I think for your own use is fine.

Alice · 11 Oct 2003, 22:54

I would like to add a bit.
Copy Controlled cds actually CAN be copied. When I put it in my cd-rom it automatically loads its player but it shows (!) 128 kbit - very low bitrate, so it seems like it reduces the quality when you play it through their player. I shut down this player and open my own - EasyCD for example. Then it plays it with almost no problems - it only halts for few seconds on first 10th second of the first song.

To copy I can open for example program called Easy cd Creator and it easily copy tracks from the cd to hard drive.

So all the money major labels spend on copy controlled program are spent for nothing or they just steal them and then show in the papers that they spent them to make this "control".

Also copy controlled cd can't be more than 60 minutes long because player and program itself takes too much space of the cd.

So there are some things to think about really...

06 Oct 2003, 18:15	#54
little_dancer Super Loafer Join Date: 23.06.2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 363	thanks again for the information Evil, that clarifies things for me.

08 Oct 2003, 22:23	#56
jcmoorehead Super Loafer Join Date: 09.04.2003 Location: Edinburgh, formerly Teesside Posts: 671	Ok I buy my albums, i currently have 7 Meat Loaf Albums. Now heres the problem with copy protection. I own a Portable MP3 Player. Now this means I have to record my albums onto my PC as MP3s and then put them onto my MP3 Player. This used to be easy. But now they are bring in stupid ideas that will make this illegal? I mean MP3 players arn't cheap! And neither are Albums. And if I pay for the Album why shouldnt I be able to put it onto my MP3 Player? I dont want to lug around a Portable CD Player when my MP3 Player is half the size and half the weight. But now these copy protection rules are making it nearly impossible for me to do this simple thing. I think that there DEFINATELY should be somewhere you can pay like 75p per track you want to download. This would put more interest into music and make it easier.

11 Oct 2003, 19:52	#59
R. You dig. Join Date: 02.04.2002 Location: On the fothermucker Posts: 7,179	This is more general talk about "copy controlled" CDs, not exactly CHSIB related, and therefore OffTopic.

11 Oct 2003, 20:46	#60
original sin Sinner Join Date: 15.04.2003 Location: cyber space Posts: 2,457	I don't see why I shouldn't be able to make a copy for my own use of something I already have brought and paid for - i like to keep my favourite albums indoors and in the car. I think this rather different to downloading stuff that is copyrighted or trying to record a live performance.

11 Oct 2003, 22:54	#62
Alice Junior Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Posts: 25	I would like to add a bit. Copy Controlled cds actually CAN be copied. When I put it in my cd-rom it automatically loads its player but it shows (!) 128 kbit - very low bitrate, so it seems like it reduces the quality when you play it through their player. I shut down this player and open my own - EasyCD for example. Then it plays it with almost no problems - it only halts for few seconds on first 10th second of the first song. To copy I can open for example program called Easy cd Creator and it easily copy tracks from the cd to hard drive. So all the money major labels spend on copy controlled program are spent for nothing or they just steal them and then show in the papers that they spent them to make this "control". Also copy controlled cd can't be more than 60 minutes long because player and program itself takes too much space of the cd. So there are some things to think about really...