The Greatest Single Never to be Released? - Page 4

Wario · 12 Sep 2010, 19:36

Meat has said he wanted BAAB as the single, but Marion's representatives and the company wanted to promote her.
im sure he said it here I just need to find the post.

Sarge · 12 Sep 2010, 19:41

Yes, but then they picked it as the second single, there were Blind As A Bat CDs already, Meat sang it at The Royal Variety Performance and all of a sudden they threw it away and released Cry Over Me instead.

What's the explanation for that?

Pudding · 13 Sep 2010, 01:24

Cry Over Me sucks donkey's balls. If they were going to release all 14 songs as singles, then it should have been released as single number #14

Rage Against · 13 Sep 2010, 01:31

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Cry Over Me sucks donkey's balls. If they were going to release all 14 songs as singles, then it should have been released as single number #14

You forgot the "In my opinion" part. I like Cry Over Me. So in your opinion it sucks donkey's balls. In my opinion, it's a good song.

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 01:33

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Yes, but then they picked it as the second single, there were Blind As A Bat CDs already, Meat sang it at The Royal Variety Performance and all of a sudden they threw it away and released Cry Over Me instead.

What's the explanation for that?

I don't know but it was a mistake. BAAB is head and shoulders above it, and probaly the best track on the album. Record companies make mistakes once it comes to single choices. "Alive" is another one that could been released so could "Land of the pigs". "It's all coming...." and "Cry over me" aren't the best tracks on the album, and wouldn't have been my choice as single releases.

Wario · 13 Sep 2010, 01:35

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Yes, but then they picked it as the second single, there were Blind As A Bat CDs already, Meat sang it at The Royal Variety Performance and all of a sudden they threw it away and released Cry Over Me instead.

What's the explanation for that?

Give Warren's previous track record with meat on the successful Lie for You and Dry Eye singles, the record company probably saw money in Diane Warren's song.

Lesson in point: money before quality never works.

regardless if COM is a good song or not its a bad single choice and doesn't represent Bat 3 as a whole like BAAB did...

Pudding · 13 Sep 2010, 02:01

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Originally Posted by Rage Against

You forgot the "In my opinion" part.

I didn't forget anything. I never spoke for anyone else, so it's obviously my opinion. What are we at school...WTF?

Rage Against · 13 Sep 2010, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I didn't forget anything. I never spoke for anyone else, so it's obviously my opinion. What are we at school...WTF?

Yes and "class" is in session.

Sarge · 13 Sep 2010, 02:47

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Give Warren's previous track record with meat on the successful Lie for You and Dry Eye singles, the record company probably saw money in Diane Warren's song.

I don't know... The songs she contributed to WTTN were much better than Cry Over Me, in my opinion. I suspect that Not A Dry Eye and especially I'd Lie For You were quite popular not only because of the music but also because of the videos and the fact that it was in the wake of the Bat II success. Cry Over Me is a comparatively weak song and the video wasn't very spectacular, too (to put it politely). I don't understand how anybody could expect it to be as equally successful as the WTTN singles.

AndrewG · 13 Sep 2010, 02:56

I've pretty much not heard a "great" Diane Warren song since the 90s.

Love the WTTN songs, "Don't want to miss a thing", "Reach" (with Gloria Estefan), "un-break my heart", "nothing's gonna stop us now" and "how do I live".

I would put her in the same league as Desmond Child when it comes to song writing. Awesome when great but mostly average.

robgomm · 13 Sep 2010, 12:29

I would have liked to see released as singles Blind as a bat and land of the pigs from bat 3, and left in the dark and original sin from WTTN.

nikox1 · 13 Sep 2010, 13:36

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Originally Posted by robgomm

I would have liked to see released as singles Blind as a bat and land of the pigs from bat 3, and left in the dark and original sin from WTTN.

id just like to see a single release?

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 15:40

I agree with Sarge's comment about the Cry Over Me video being weak, it didn't help get the single off it's feet. In comparison to the videos he had during the 90s it looks very poor even the videos on CHSIB, but then again he didn't have Michael Bay as the director. The songs are larger than life, and blend in well with a blockbuster of a music video.

AndrewG · 13 Sep 2010, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Steve6

I agree with Sarge's comment about the Cry Over Me video being weak, it didn't help get the single off it's feet. In comparison to the videos he had during the 90s it looks very poor even the videos on CHSIB, but then again he didn't have Michael Bay as the director. The songs are larger than life, and blend in well with a blockbuster of a music video.

I doubt a different director would have made much difference here. Michael Bay didn't direct I'd Lie for You and that was still a fantastic video. IACBTMN wasn't a bad video either in my opinion, they did well with the song. But A more exciting song, thus more exciting video (BAAB or Alive) would have no doubt made more of an impact.

robgomm · 13 Sep 2010, 16:49

COM isn't a bad song imo, it's really quite powerful emotionally. But it did have a bad video and wasn't exciting enough.

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 18:33

COM was always going to be a hard one to win people over. Look at what tops the charts these days. Cry over me just wasn't going to fit in and didn't, poor music video or not. Some people in the record business don't keep up with the times at all, and make daft decisions. To be fair to the "TMIL" that wouldn't have looked at all out of place in the charts IMO. Maybe they think Meat can only do well with power ballads, and that's why they nearly always pick the power ballads as singles.

glamourgirl · 13 Sep 2010, 18:45

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I would go for What About Love, imo an awesome duet with Patti, my fave song from BAT 3. Maybe it could have done well, we will never know.

I agree.

Wario · 13 Sep 2010, 18:48

without a doubt probably one of the biggest reasons for meats hatred of bat 3 is the fact he didnt pick the singles.

Im sure BAAB and Break It wouldve been released if he had

Steve6 · 13 Sep 2010, 18:54

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

without a doubt probably one of the biggest reasons for meats hatred of bat 3 is the fact he didnt pick the singles.

Im sure BAAB and Break It wouldve been released if he had

I don't think Meat has ever been aloud make the decision on what singles get released, and it's the same with nearly every artist out there. Unless you own a record company you have no final way. Yes I'm sure he would have given his opinion on what he wanted. But he's not the one in charge.

Pudding · 14 Sep 2010, 01:17

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

Im sure BAAB and Break It wouldve been released if he had

BAAB maybe, Break It

Wario · 14 Sep 2010, 01:30

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Originally Posted by Pudding

BAAB maybe, Break It

well he seems to really love break it, just thought thats what hed pick

Elijah's way · 14 Sep 2010, 06:15

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Originally Posted by Rage Against

You forgot the "In my opinion" part. I like Cry Over Me. So in your opinion it sucks donkey's balls. In my opinion, it's a good song.

IMO also, it's a good song, I really like it. And I really like the video.

Pudding · 14 Sep 2010, 07:05

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

well he seems to really love break it, just thought thats what hed pick

He might love it but that doesn't mean it'd be a good representation of the album. Pig, STN, and especially Future are better Steinman songs that should've been released as singles. Monster, BAAB and WAL are the best non-Steinman tracks that should've been released as single in my opinion.

Elijah's way · 14 Sep 2010, 13:20

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Steve6 · 14 Sep 2010, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Pudding

He might love it but that doesn't mean it'd be a good representation of the album. Pig, STN, and especially Future are better Steinman songs that should've been released as singles. Monster, BAAB and WAL are the best non-Steinman tracks that should've been released as single in my opinion.

Future and STN are similar enough to COM they just won't do well in the charts. You have to blend in with the stuff that's selling and topping the charts in order to have a successful single. These songs wouldn't blend in well IMO. Pigs would because it's a modern sounding track like BAAB, and monster.

12 Sep 2010, 19:36	#76
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Meat has said he wanted BAAB as the single, but Marion's representatives and the company wanted to promote her. im sure he said it here I just need to find the post.

12 Sep 2010, 19:41	#77
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	Yes, but then they picked it as the second single, there were Blind As A Bat CDs already, Meat sang it at The Royal Variety Performance and all of a sudden they threw it away and released Cry Over Me instead. What's the explanation for that?

13 Sep 2010, 01:24	#78
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Cry Over Me sucks donkey's balls. If they were going to release all 14 songs as singles, then it should have been released as single number #14

13 Sep 2010, 02:56	#85
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	I've pretty much not heard a "great" Diane Warren song since the 90s. Love the WTTN songs, "Don't want to miss a thing", "Reach" (with Gloria Estefan), "un-break my heart", "nothing's gonna stop us now" and "how do I live". I would put her in the same league as Desmond Child when it comes to song writing. Awesome when great but mostly average.

13 Sep 2010, 12:29	#86
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	I would have liked to see released as singles Blind as a bat and land of the pigs from bat 3, and left in the dark and original sin from WTTN.

13 Sep 2010, 15:40	#88
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	I agree with Sarge's comment about the Cry Over Me video being weak, it didn't help get the single off it's feet. In comparison to the videos he had during the 90s it looks very poor even the videos on CHSIB, but then again he didn't have Michael Bay as the director. The songs are larger than life, and blend in well with a blockbuster of a music video.

13 Sep 2010, 16:49	#90
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	COM isn't a bad song imo, it's really quite powerful emotionally. But it did have a bad video and wasn't exciting enough.

13 Sep 2010, 18:33	#91
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	COM was always going to be a hard one to win people over. Look at what tops the charts these days. Cry over me just wasn't going to fit in and didn't, poor music video or not. Some people in the record business don't keep up with the times at all, and make daft decisions. To be fair to the "TMIL" that wouldn't have looked at all out of place in the charts IMO. Maybe they think Meat can only do well with power ballads, and that's why they nearly always pick the power ballads as singles.

13 Sep 2010, 18:48	#93
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	without a doubt probably one of the biggest reasons for meats hatred of bat 3 is the fact he didnt pick the singles. Im sure BAAB and Break It wouldve been released if he had

14 Sep 2010, 13:20	#99
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	Rock 'n' Roll Hero