Debate - Page 4

Fire Ball · 04 Nov 2012, 23:51

Trust me I am well aware it was the fans who bought the Records ,Tickets and supported me. Then I don't do what they like they tell me you suck, F you, I'm burning your records, tearing up your tickets. You do as we say , you have no right to disagree with us .. WE made you. I worked my ass for 48 years sold over 100 million records and have paid less than 2% for them . It's part of the Business so I'm not bitter. The one thing I do not have to put up with is insults.
I will fight , would not still be here if I did not fight .
Meat

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBehindBars

Dear Meat,

I am a fan of yours for "only" 10 years now, but considering my age of 23 it's almost half of my life. You and Jim Steinman brought the joy of music to me, helped me through rough times etc. I attended every tour since then. Some concerts were good, some others even better.
Reading the announcement of your upcoming UK tour made me feel happy and I was ready to attend it (I am from Germany).
But now I have to reconsider that after all your insults.

You think we hate you and your music just because we dare to critizise you, your songs or your voice?
What kind of fans do you want? Blind, deaf and uncritical ones?...

Can't you see what you are doing here? You are hurting the people who love you most. Because of them you are where you are. Even though you seem to have forgotten that little fact.

I feel sorry for YOU and for myself.

Good luck anyway. (Although you prabably wouldn't want to hear that from me)!

ninja · 04 Nov 2012, 23:52

@ Meat: just don't have the right words to tell you how much I love you - for your personality even more than for your outstanding work!!!
I haven't been here for some days and I'm really shocked now and upset about what's going on here. Seems to me like being on a hate-forum.
You give so much to so many people and it hurts me that quite a bit of them don't seem to deserve it.
I've met you for the first time in Philly at the M&G and it was better than I ever could imagine.
You are really someone special!!!
Irene

robgomm · 04 Nov 2012, 23:53

Hey Meat can I ask a question? One thing I was interested in was Obamas healthcare bill. How does that actually work? I know there was a lot of controversy about it and it was hard for him to get it passed. Is it like our NHS in the UK where the taxpayers money goes towards it and it's a free service for everyone?

Fire Ball · 04 Nov 2012, 23:59

Can't you see the people who say they love me, are hurting me !! I came to read some good things and all I got was the same as those Libs wrote me, you suck. I came to visit my friends , found out different.
M

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBehindBars

Dear Meat,

I am a fan of yours for "only" 10 years now, but considering my age of 23 it's almost half of my life. You and Jim Steinman brought the joy of music to me, helped me through rough times etc. I attended every tour since then. Some concerts were good, some others even better.
Reading the announcement of your upcoming UK tour made me feel happy and I was ready to attend it (I am from Germany).
But now I have to reconsider that after all your insults.

You think we hate you and your music just because we dare to critizise you, your songs or your voice?
What kind of fans do you want? Blind, deaf and uncritical ones?...

Can't you see what you are doing here? You are hurting the people who love you most. Because of them you are where you are. Even though you seem to have forgotten that little fact.

I feel sorry for YOU and for myself.

Good luck anyway. (Although you prabably wouldn't want to hear that from me)!

Fire Ball · 05 Nov 2012, 00:05

That is the Basic Idea , but it really is about the math. 315 million americans and not enough Doctors to make it work on a National Level. On a State Level it could work, They have to pass a law that would allow you to live in NY and be able to buy Insurance in Iowa. There should be HC for all , I read 1400 pages of a 2200 page bill . I wanted to throw it across the room.
Meat

Quote:

Originally Posted by robgomm

Hey Meat can I ask a question? One thing I was interested in was Obamas healthcare bill. How does that actually work? I know there was a lot of controversy about it and it was hard for him to get it passed. Is it like our NHS in the UK where the taxpayers money goes towards it and it's a free service for everyone?

JennaG · 05 Nov 2012, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

That is the Basic Idea , but it really is about the math. 315 million americans and not enough Doctors to make it work on a National Level. On a State Level it could work, They have to pass a law that would allow you to live in NY and be able to buy Insurance in Iowa. There should be HC for all , I read 1400 pages of a 2200 page bill . I wanted to throw it across the room.
Meat

Thank you for that information. I was wondering what it was all about.

I know very little about American politics so you'll have to forgive me.

Sarge · 05 Nov 2012, 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Can't you see the people who say they love me, are hurting me !! I came to read some good things and all I got was the same as those Libs wrote me, you suck. I came to visit my friends , found out different.
M

You just said that you hate 97 % of the people on this forum (several times !) and called them names in a way that would probably have resulted in a ban if it had been done by an "ordinary" user. You obviously have a very strange concept of "friendship".

robgomm · 05 Nov 2012, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

That is the Basic Idea , but it really is about the math. 315 million americans and not enough Doctors to make it work on a National Level. On a State Level it could work, They have to pass a law that would allow you to live in NY and be able to buy Insurance in Iowa. There should be HC for all , I read 1400 pages of a 2200 page bill . I wanted to throw it across the room.
Meat

So really they should have done the math before passing it then. No good bringing in a new system if you don't have the staff to support it. Sounds like you guys need major investment in training new Doctors, Nurses etc. They should have done that BEFORE the healthcare bill was passed.

Fire Ball · 05 Nov 2012, 00:11

I agree most don't deserve it , but I had to start the fight to find the real enemies. When it ends the real fans will still be here and I will do something special for them . Was thinking when I came on that was going to invite all here to a dress Rehearsal in April. I would say 97% will be invited.
Meat

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninja

@ Meat: just don't have the right words to tell you how much I love you - for your personality even more than for your outstanding work!!!
I haven't been here for some days and I'm really shocked now and upset about what's going on here. Seems to me like being on a hate-forum.
You give so much to so many people and it hurts me that quite a bit of them don't seem to deserve it.
I've met you for the first time in Philly at the M&G and it was better than I ever could imagine.
You are really someone special!!!
Irene

Guy · 05 Nov 2012, 00:13

First like? Do I get first dress rehearsal ticket Meat? Haha..........

Sebastian. · 05 Nov 2012, 00:13

Meat, since we're on the topic of Healthcare...

I have to go to the US for 6 weeks to study in 2014. Overhere in the UK if anything went wrong and I was a tourist, then it owuld be free (although we're having problems with helath tourists now). What would happen if I fell ill during my time in the states, would I have to fork out thousands, or can I get some kind of inssurance? I've never really understood the US healthcare system.

On another note..

I hope you got my PM, and feel better!

Deena J · 05 Nov 2012, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Was thinking when I came on that was going to invite all here to a dress Rehearsal in April. I would say 97% will be invited.
Meat

Staying out of the main part of this thread because I do not discuss politics ---not even with family. but I had to comment here...

That rehearsal idea would be awesome except I would have to work off the debt as part of the road crew (if Im lucky!) just to make it from southeast Arkansas to there & back home again (I assume you meant the UK).

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Sarge · 05 Nov 2012, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

I had to start the fight to find the real enemies.

That post says it all. "Find the real enemies"? Are you proud of starting fights on fan forums?

Fire Ball · 05 Nov 2012, 00:17

BINGO !!

Quote:

Originally Posted by robgomm

So really they should have done the math before passing it then. No good bringing in a new system if you don't have the staff to support it. Sounds like you guys need major investment in training new Doctors, Nurses etc. They should have done that BEFORE the healthcare bill was passed.

olblueeyes · 05 Nov 2012, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Can't you see the people who say they love me, are hurting me !! I came to read some good things and all I got was the same as those Libs wrote me, you suck. I came to visit my friends , found out different.
M

Can't argue with this. People seem to think they have a right to tell Meat what he should and shouldn't say or do. I'd be pissed off by this - when you go to a fan site, you don't expect to see the criticism that is evident here. Meat's 97% figure might be a bit off but I'd say there are a far greater proportion of people who are quick to criticise here than you'd see on many fan sites.

I stand by the rule, if you wouldn't say something to someone over a pint in a pub, why would you post it on their fan site?!

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Adje · 05 Nov 2012, 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Was thinking when I came on that was going to invite all here to a dress Rehearsal in April. I would say 97% will be invited.
Meat

I have been a part of the 97% from the very first post today so I CAN'T WAIT FOR MY INVITATION!

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wembley, London would be nice. I can go by train then

Fire Ball · 05 Nov 2012, 00:19

To find the enemies , Yes !! also I believe I said 97% hate me .
Love Sarge,
Meat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

That post says it all. "Find the real enemies"? Are you proud of starting fights on fan forums?

melon · 05 Nov 2012, 00:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

I agree most don't deserve it , but I had to start the fight to find the real enemies. When it ends the real fans will still be here and I will do something special for them . Was thinking when I came on that was going to invite all here to a dress Rehearsal in April. I would say 97% will be invited.
Meat

Oh to hell with just selling the spleen... anyone know where I can sell a spleen & kidney combo? I'm getting to the UK one way or the other, even if I have to fly with the sheep & cows!

tonyloaf · 05 Nov 2012, 00:21

Meat don't mean to sound selfish and change subject but you really have made my start of the week happy with the news of a uk tour, and if you every did invites to rehearsal then what a great pleasure that would be

Sebastian. · 05 Nov 2012, 00:21

Please Meat, I do hope that invite goes ahead. I mean that would just be... wow.. I mean just wow.

Fire Ball · 05 Nov 2012, 00:23

Adje, you will be there you got balls and stood up to me and didn't take your ball and go home. Don't know where it will be right now won't know that till March
Love Ya,
Meat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adje

I have been a part of the 97% from the very first post today so I CAN'T WAIT FOR MY INVITATION!

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Wembley, London would be nice. I can go by train then

Guy · 05 Nov 2012, 00:23

Melon......if you fly British airways. That's exactly who you will be flying with. BA.....Bloody awful. :)

Sarge · 05 Nov 2012, 00:24

I was wrong. This isn't a tragicomedy. It's just a tragedy.

Adje · 05 Nov 2012, 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

Adje, you will be there you got balls and stood up to me and didn't take your ball and go home. Don't know where it will be right now won't know that till March
Love Ya,
Meat

You know, and you can have my word for it. I'll be there. If you let me in, that's up to you, but I never walked away from a disagreement. I haven't said a word on this board that I would not dare say to you -or anyone else- in their face.

So I guess you will see me

Sebastian. · 05 Nov 2012, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebastian.

Meat, since we're on the topic of Healthcare...

I have to go to the US for 6 weeks to study in 2014. Overhere in the UK if anything went wrong and I was a tourist, then it owuld be free (although we're having problems with helath tourists now). What would happen if I fell ill during my time in the states, would I have to fork out thousands, or can I get some kind of inssurance? I've never really understood the US healthcare system.

On another note..

I hope you got my PM, and feel better!

Just remembered that thing called travel insurance. Ah, I am silly!

04 Nov 2012, 23:52	#77
ninja Super Loafer Join Date: 14.02.2012 Location: Bavaria Posts: 440	@ Meat: just don't have the right words to tell you how much I love you - for your personality even more than for your outstanding work!!! I haven't been here for some days and I'm really shocked now and upset about what's going on here. Seems to me like being on a hate-forum. You give so much to so many people and it hurts me that quite a bit of them don't seem to deserve it. I've met you for the first time in Philly at the M&G and it was better than I ever could imagine. You are really someone special!!! Irene

04 Nov 2012, 23:53	#78
robgomm Mega Loafer Join Date: 22.10.2006 Location: Hemel Hempstead, UK Posts: 1,671	Hey Meat can I ask a question? One thing I was interested in was Obamas healthcare bill. How does that actually work? I know there was a lot of controversy about it and it was hard for him to get it passed. Is it like our NHS in the UK where the taxpayers money goes towards it and it's a free service for everyone?

05 Nov 2012, 00:13	#85
Guy Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: A small village in west sussex Posts: 865	First like? Do I get first dress rehearsal ticket Meat? Haha..........

05 Nov 2012, 00:13	#86
Sebastian. Biggles Join Date: 15.02.2011 Location: Texas Posts: 2,027	Meat, since we're on the topic of Healthcare... I have to go to the US for 6 weeks to study in 2014. Overhere in the UK if anything went wrong and I was a tourist, then it owuld be free (although we're having problems with helath tourists now). What would happen if I fell ill during my time in the states, would I have to fork out thousands, or can I get some kind of inssurance? I've never really understood the US healthcare system. On another note.. I hope you got my PM, and feel better!

05 Nov 2012, 00:21	#94
tonyloaf Metal Head Join Date: 15.05.2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 2,398	Meat don't mean to sound selfish and change subject but you really have made my start of the week happy with the news of a uk tour, and if you every did invites to rehearsal then what a great pleasure that would be

05 Nov 2012, 00:23	#97
Guy Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: A small village in west sussex Posts: 865	Melon......if you fly British airways. That's exactly who you will be flying with. BA.....Bloody awful. :)

05 Nov 2012, 00:24	#98
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	I was wrong. This isn't a tragicomedy. It's just a tragedy.