It don't mean a thing ....(if it ain't got that Jim)

[dottie]

[quote="tink"]williiam...

does this mean you're not interested in a group hug?

tink..with hugs to all on a friday morn...end of the week..and beginning of a THREE DAY WEEKEND...YIPPPEEEEE....lol...XO[big hugs back - hope I have typed this correctly now - inside quote - dottie/quote]

[CarylB]

I think Peat Loaf that given the number of people on this board to whom English is a second language, punctuation does help! And I am the first to admire our Dutch friends' superb grasp of our language. But I'm now wondering what a "fist post" is .. delivered with force perhaps? :)

[Peat Loaf]

I totally agree with you it's fantastic, but being Dyslexic I have to rely heavily on the spell check and as clever as Bill Gates is some times it gets it wrong


Pete

[evil nickname]

Peat,

What I said was not meant personal, I just couldn't get through that text. Dyslexia is not something to joke about (and I wasn't aware you were), as I can tell from a couple of friends who have it. That remark was in no way meant to bring you down, otherwise I wouldn't have put a ':-)' at the end...
But then again, I'm still standing behind every word I said, since your replies still don't convince me that you've been listening to a word I wrote (and that's an intended paradox). But no hard feelings, I hope?

Tink, of course I'm in for a group hug with a fairy! That would be sight (me being 2.05 m / 6 feet 7 inch tall)!

CarylB, thank you... I'm trying the best I can...

And on a last note: I'm off to my parents in half an hour, so I don't know if I'll have the chance to chek in this weekend (or I'll have to kick my 'lil brother away from the computer :-)... but I'll be back... monday the latest...

William

(PS: Pete... Bill $ucks... :-D )

[CarylB]

William said:
(PS: Pete... Bill $ucks... )

Now THAT's a sentiment I can hug!!

Enjoy the weekend :)

[martha_mae]

Dottie hope your feeling better now the thread is calming down but thanks for posting the original thread, even if it did stray.

Thanks Tink for the group hug i think we all needed that

For those of you lucky to have a 3 day weekend enjoy.

[Chris]

I ahve to agree with Sin on this one. Meta is the consumate arist adn whoever he chooses to work with he always gives his best and makes great music.

When Meat comes to my newsagents to tell em how to serve customers, then I will presume to tell him who to write songs with!

[besty01]

can i just say ,i have just read 7 pages of pure s**t
jim writes songs for a living
meat sings songs for a living(apart from acting )
thats it
maybe jim brings the best out of meat
but you have to change because people get bored listing to the same type of songs every time a new album comes out
i will commend meat for taking the plunge years ago for singing songs written by other people
to these narrow minded people who only like meat singing jim songs (wise up)broaden your horizions
as to people slaging off people on other web sites (get a grip)
if it takes jim 7 years to write an album good because we (the real meat+jim fans)are going to enjoy every last second of it
for my pennys worth i really like jim singing bad for good
it suits him
but meat IS a singer and thats why it sounds better when he does it
but back to thread
i think why chsib is alway being compared to booh is because meat said it was his best work since booh
they are 2 very different albums
jim wrote booh
jim didnt write chsib
that is it full stop
i dont kiss anyone arse if i dont like something i say it
if it annoys anyone then sorry
life is not all peaches and cream
but as i have started to notice on mlukfc people are saying what they feel in their hearts
so keep up the good work everyone on mlukfc keep the site going as it is
I LOVE THIS SITE IT IS ROCKING
P.S FIREBALL KEEP ON POSTING

[Di]

Originally Posted by David M. Driskell

WOW!

Meat Loaf you took the words right out of my mouth!

It makes me sick to see "fans" who claim to adore you on Meat lists/sites, yet the same people are less than flattering when it comes to posting on the Jim list/board.

I think the problem is Dance Of The Vampires failed without Meat's wonderful imput; wheras, Couldn't Have Said It Better is near perfection without the inspiration of Steinman!

Meat Loaf has just released the best album of his entire career without the expected element of a sucessfull Meat Loaf album (Jim Steinman), and for this, people are a tad upset.

I am a frequent poster on Dream Pollution - I am a big fan of Jim Steinman, but it is just plain silly. I can say that you have more than likely seen my last posts on Dream Pollution. I have given up on trying to defent Meat there. They are brain-numbed zombies out to idolize Jim, in the EXACT same manner they accuse of of idolizing Meat. I just wonder what the Steinfans would think if they really knew what a load of rubbish I thought Pandora's Box was? At least on the MLUKFC, if you are less than thrilled with something, you will not be stoned by your peers. Yes, some might get angry, but I have never seen personal attacks on other people's personal lives just because of a disagreement on the MLUKFC message board.

On a personal note, this has been a very difficult week for me. I have gone through a hell of a lot, but I want to tell each and every one of you who sent me PM's, e-mails, and chatted with me on the instant messengers...you guys are awesome. There is a love among Meat Loaf fans that I just cannot describe. Never be afraid of your passion, always speak your mind, and as Meat Loaf says at the end of every concert..."never stop rockin!"

ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!

Hi David,

I just saw this post today, and I would like to say a few things if I may? This is my first post here and I am a fairly new fan of Meat Loaf's. I just discovered him seriously about six months ago; I became familiar with him through Jim Steinman's work. And, I have been listening to barely anything else since first discovering BOOH, BOOH II and Dead Ringer. :)

You say in this post that Dance of the Vampires failed without Meat Loaf's input, and I really do think that is totally incorrect and a bit unfair. Tanz der Vampire is a highly successful show without any influence from Meat Loaf at all, and if any one artist could be attributed to it's success in a recording or performance it would have to be the original artist who played Krolock, Steve Barton. DOTV failed not because Meat Loaf was not involved, it failed because of other factors entirely. Now I can say that in my opinion Meat Loaf certainly would have made a better Krolock than Crawford and the show could possibly have been more a success with him, but I do not believe Meat Loaf's absence sealed the fate of DOTV in any way whatsoever.

Since I cannot get CHSIB in the US, I purchased the new CD recently on a trip to Stuttgart, Germany to see Tanz and I really love it. I think it is a great CD and every time I play it I enjoy it more and more. But to say here that it is the best album of Meat Loaf’s career seems a bit surprising to me. As a new fan, I have been listening to all his work with new found enjoyment, and even if I did not know that BOOH and BOOH II were classics I would know that there is something very magical and special about them indeed. To belittle in any way those recordings to bring up an opinion on this new CD seems so unnecessary to me…. But of course if that is your honest opinion than you are more than entitled to it. :)

I would like to say something now for Meat Loaf although it feels so odd to address him here on this webboard. Thank you SO MUCH for the happy hours that you have brought into my life through your music. I love so much your expressive voice, your passion and vibrancy, and the way you tell a story through your presentation of the songs. I will be seeing you for the very first time in concert in Anaheim, California in August, and I can hardly wait!! :) I would like to wish you every success on the new CD, I think it is absolutely wonderful, and it is so great to hear you singing new material! Also, all positive energy and best wishes on the future recording of Bat III!! Hope it comes soon, and that it brings to you all good things and the continuing success that you so much deserve.
:)
Thanks for the space to post some of my own feelings and thoughts,
Di

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Pandora

DOTV failed not because Meat Loaf was not involved, it failed because of other factors entirely.

Di,

First off let me say how very EXCITED I am to have you on the MLUKFC message boards!

Your posts are among the few that I miss from the Jim List - overall life is much better having unsubscribed many months ago.

You are a little out of the loop in your response, not your problem becauase you are new here, but let me clear myself up with this.


This whole thread is about the misguided statments of some critics who think that Meat Loaf is near nothing without the input of Jim Steinman.

The argument I was trying to make is that in recent history, Meat has been far more sucessful without Jim than Jim has been without Meat - nothing more - nothing less.

What I was meaning in my statement is that I was bringing up the point that Jim is not infallable without Meat, at least recently. Jim had a lot of problems with the sucess of DOTV (without Meat); whereas Meat Loaf has done some of his greatest work ever (CHISB) without Jim.

Hope that clears things up a little!

[tbuck]

Hi Di,
Nice to see you here.

Glad you get to see a concert in Anaheim, just disappointed we won't get to meet you in Cleveland. But, good for you, tell us all about it.

Loved what you had to say to Meat. Always nice to see someone else who appreciates some of the same things you do. I think people in our small town think we're nuts. Nice to have a group here to identify with.

T (for T + Jules)

[Sapphire Lady]

I would just sum this whole thing up by saying that both Meat and Jim are musical geniuses in their own way but put them together and you get a partnership so awesome that the music industry may never see the likes of this again after Bat III.

[Di]

Originally Posted by David M. Driskell

Di,

First off let me say how very EXCITED I am to have you on the MLUKFC message boards!

Your posts are among the few that I miss from the Jim List - overall life is much better having unsubscribed many months ago.

You are a little out of the loop in your response, not your problem becauase you are new here, but let me clear myself up with this.


This whole thread is about the misguided statments of some critics who think that Meat Loaf is near nothing without the input of Jim Steinman.

The argument I was trying to make is that in recent history, Meat has been far more sucessful without Jim than Jim has been without Meat - nothing more - nothing less.

What I was meaning in my statement is that I was bringing up the point that Jim is not infallable without Meat, at least recently. Jim had a lot of problems with the sucess of DOTV (without Meat); whereas Meat Loaf has done some of his greatest work ever (CHISB) without Jim.

Hope that clears things up a little!

Hi David,

Thank you so much for the warm welcome. :) I actually have done a bit of lurking here, and signed up for the forum a few months ago. Didn't really feel I had too much to contribute though as I am pretty much absorbing still.

I am very sorry to hear that you unsubscribed from the Jim list.

I do appreciate the clarification on what you meant in the prior post you made in this thread that I was addressing, it did read quite different to me than what it now seems you had intended. I still do not necessarily agree with your points or arguments, but I really am appreciative of being able to post in response here and receive such a very polite reply to my own thoughts. :)

To tbuck,

I am so sorry about Cleveland! I know a few Steinfans are planning on going to that concert and I would have loved to have met up with you! But Anaheim is just so close, and with the recent trip I took to Germany I opted to get tickets to a concert that I could attend without hopping on a plane. I WILL tell you all about it, I more than likely will be bursting to rave about it someplace where people will be willing to listen.

Thank you again to you both for the welcome!
:)
Di

[Asha]

I don't think anybody minds if you rave about a concert meat did here, Pandora.
BTW welcome on these forums..

In this topic many things were said that people misunderstood..and so we got into a big blowout here, but I think most hurts are healed...

Asha

[Baal ??]

..................hi................

**But they had me saying it!! oh by the way it came from the Nikki Sixx web page. But I was the one who said it. I wrote a lot of posts over there on that site about that, but I don't believe they thought it was me.**

I'm the one who eventually posted the link to the nikki sixx website. You never replied to my post, confirming or denying. I believed it was you, and tried to provide some evidence for *our lies*. It is far to say that we on the Steinman board live on the crumbs they feed us. Steinman is not the most publically oriented writer in the world, and also not the most poplular. We tend to flock around and defend his *hounor*. The quote did not sit well, especially after we heard the song in question. And we were (are) still cheesed off after the Crawford Fackup Spectacular regarding DOTV, and most of us think Meat would make a powerful krolock. Also, it is amusing to know, Meat did Rockaby Hamlet with Rory Dodd at the Minskof theatre in 1975, same theatre as Dotv played in.

**also wrote 4 emails to the person who started it, but he never replied, even to ask if I had said it, he just continued to write the Lie**

You know, some people suxs.


**again I don't go there... the thing about the TV shows just came to me in an e-mail. **
Um, I posted about your TV shows in Sweden and Norway, if that is what you are talking about, and if so, I'm sorry about the remarks I made. But, I really did not understand the meaning about the red bucket, and you could have thrown in a date for scandinavian release of the album. I loved how you changed chairs with the interviewer, and the lesbian of the year joke was priceless... CONGRATULATIONS !


**A couple of the records I made without him were ok, but CHSIB is very special (TIM ) **


I personally love the song Lost Love.... Why not put it out again ? It got lost off the midnight album, degraded to a Maxi single.


**and to the people at the Jim site try and be Happy I know it's hard for you but Just say "I know I can , I know I can" (joke).**

Hehe, did you hear Michael Crawford sing Original Sin ? We had to live with that shit..... Jokes we can take alright...


See You on Tour

Are you plannng Oslo ? Or should I book the train to Stockholm ? Need to pack my blankie if so....

Regards, Baal

[evil nickname]

Hey Baal! Nice to see you here too!

[Markus]

Originally Posted by Fire Ball

I agree with MB, Eveyone in the band has had words with that site ,We have never understood them. Do not understand that site.

Meat

After that I doubt it´s Meat posting here.... - sad but true.

Markus.

[CarylB]

I on the other hand doubt Meat would attend a Meet and Greet organised by an imposter!! To quote Himself .. get over it

[Raptor]

Markus how can you say that? How do you know it's not Meat posting here? How can you say "sad but true", how the hell do you know it's true that he is not posing here?

Meat seems pretty p*ssed off about it and if I were him I'd meet up to sort all the BS out. But like he said, they won't meet him.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Markus

After that I doubt it´s Meat posting here.... - sad but true.

Markus.

Markus,

I cannot speak for Meat, as I have not had the pleasure of an audience with him, but I have heard negative comments about Dream Pollution from various band members.

[R.]

Originally Posted by Markus

After that I doubt it´s Meat posting here.... - sad but true.

It's him. Without a doubt.

[Testify]

i do believe its him. but im just curious of how you know?!?!

[Markus]

Originally Posted by Markus

After that I doubt it´s Meat posting here.... - sad but true.

Markus.

I just can´t believe Meat IS like that. To judge from a few posts he read on RR. I believe he isn´t that narrow minded! REALLY! And "sad" is the fact that posts like these make it hard to believe (for me) that it´s really Meat. I still believe, but I wonder WHY he acts like that...!?

People, please don´t twist my words. Meat himself knows I adore his work like I adore Jims work. Told it to him in private messages before. Like I told him that I love "CHSIB". You can see: All I wantet to say is that I really love this great opportunity to speak to the man who has the voice! Thank you Meat for coming here and for talking with (some) of us from time to time. You made a dream come true Jim will NEVER do.

I never knew why there is this disunion. I never understood this and surely I never will. Maybe it´s only because of those really blinded fans on both sides that are no longer able to criticise or to take positive meant criticism!? Anyway - I still hope Meat comes back to the RR and talks to us only for a few times. He should know there are some people telling things that are just not true. Some may be true but he just don´t like it. Ah well, that happens to ME and ALL people ALL the time. We have to deal with it or just to ignore them.

How someone can state that the people on RR hate Meat is far beyond me. There´s just NO basis for such a comment. Of course they worship Steinman. It´s a Steinman board. Here you worship Meat and that´s okay! But the people on RR also say that Jim receycles too much. That he made bad mistakes on broadway, etc... But to say we hate someone only because we state some things we don´t like is.... well, a reason to consult a doctor if you ask me.

Calm down and talk. That´s all that helps. *T*A*L*K*I*N*G* not yelling.

Markus.
(enjoying CHSIB and waiting for BATIII)

[Raptor]

what is the site address of the Jim Steinman site RR?

[evil nickname]

try JimSteinman.com for a start...