Trade site

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 19:01

Not really sure where to put this but this seemed like a good start.

Where shall I start lol....

Deb gets on soap box... there's a trade site around that just happens to list a lot of stuff that has been shared freely by a lot of people over this tour and in the lead up to it just for starters. This stuff is then traded by someone who's downloaded it. Hence they get something new in return for it. Shouldn't this new item then morally be shared back with the community that gave it or should that person just either trade it again or sell it on? ... deb gets off soap box for now..

I for one am pretty pissed of at this. being someone who spends a lot of time and money in sharing with everybody and very rarely gets anything back for it. Not thats that's what i'm after, but when I see others benefiting from mine and others hard work, time and money it pisses me off big time. Especially when I see no signs of them then sharing their new gains from our stuff with us unless we trade or pay for it.

*AndyK* · 24 Sep 2007, 19:14

Morally speaking you're right Deb. anyone who gets something for nothing off one of the sites out there (and I presume you mean here and TNW for example), should then at the very least offer it back to others on those communities.

(moving this thread to Feedback as I don't think it really fits in LCA!)

Evil One · 24 Sep 2007, 19:35

Yep, trading gets right on my tits. Far better just to put it out there and let everyone have it. Unfortunately a lot of people take but do not give.

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 19:39

I've even had people try to sell me my own stuff that I gave away for free

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 19:44

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Originally Posted by AndyK

Morally speaking you're right Deb. anyone who gets something for nothing off one of the sites out there (and I presume you mean here and TNW for example), should then at the very least offer it back to others on those communities.

(moving this thread to Feedback as I don't think it really fits in LCA!)

You can move it to where you like as long as it gets read lol.

It just pees me off that someone gains a whole lot of stuff for their Meat Loaf collection from stuff shared by others. And the only way I would get any of that stuff thats been gained by my hard work, time and money is to trade with the person who took the bloody stuff

**Ankie** · 24 Sep 2007, 19:51

That could mean we are heading to a new forum rule saying something like:

the copyright of each picture is owned by its poster unless stated otherwise?

Adding something like the difference between personal use and selling.

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 20:02

Don't get my started on pics again Ankie lol. This time i'm on about audio and video.

Take a look at the list below. This is just a few of whats out there. I'm pretty sure either myself or Jules did most of these. yet they are all up for trade. So what do me and Jules get back out of these trades then eh

SFA

American Idol 2006
Dancing With The Stars 2006
News Years Eve 2006
Royal Variey Performance 2006
Megan Mully Show 2006
Stricly Come Dancing 2006
Today Show 2006
Anything For Love - TOTP 1993
This Morning 2006
Any Meat Will Do 2006
Jimmy Kimmel 2006

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 20:13

is it me or does this ring bells with me...... I have trade site out there called meatLoaf Bootlegs and I have a forum too where most people including me post free stuff online what we get. the only real stuff I trade is dvd shows, well its hard to upload full shows to the net ain't it?

I have the above listed on my site but I don't trade that, I just stae it in my collection, if you get what I am meaning by it...

Why deb, what sites are doing this, if your allowed to name.

Plus going to the photo's - you shouldn't really take photos and add to another site unless you have permission, trust me I've learnt from it ain't I?!

Lastly, what anoyed me once was, I paid on ebay for the History of meat, 1995 NYC dvd+vcd, an audicence recording of meat in miami 1994 and london 1993 was bought via a trade site. I only realised when some people told me you should never have to purchase bootlegs, thats wrong! they should be either shared or traded but never to be re-sold! BAD BAD BAD!!!

Wow, got something off my chest

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2007, 20:15

Unforuntely it'll get to the stage where people just have to stop sharing files, of course most of us will miss out but there's always gonna be peple out there who are out to make money regardless of how - the ultimatum will end up as share your files and be prepared for people to get them and trade them, or don't share to begin with

mszee · 24 Sep 2007, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Deb

I've even had people try to sell me my own stuff that I gave away for free

This for some reason reminded me of UNIX story.

It was developed by AT&T Labs and donated as a gift to research university which in terms appropriated and started selling it...

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 20:17

For ME - I never want to make momney of boots - I see no point in it!

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 20:37

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

For ME - I never want to make momney of boots - I see no point in it!

Lets start with this one.

How can say that? You once tried to sell me one of my own recordings! and I'm not the only one you've tried selling things to either

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

Lets start with this one.

How can say that? You once tried to sell me one of my own recordings! and I'm not the only one you've tried selling things to either

Sell one of your recordings? Sorry I can not remeber that at all.... I don't sell, just trade or share for free...

No offence, but are you not confusing me with someone else?

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

is it me or does this ring bells with me...... I have trade site out there called meatLoaf Bootlegs and I have a forum too where most people including me post free stuff online what we get. the only real stuff I trade is dvd shows, well its hard to upload full shows to the net ain't it?

No it isn't hard, after all most of the stuff you're trading has came from the internet.

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I have the above listed on my site but I don't trade that, I just stae it in my collection, if you get what I am meaning by it...

That isn't how it reads and no I don't get it

Quote:

Why deb, what sites are doing this, if your allowed to name.

YOURS

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Lastly, what anoyed me once was, I paid on ebay for the History of meat, 1995 NYC dvd+vcd, an audicence recording of meat in miami 1994 and london 1993 was bought via a trade site. I only realised when some people told me you should never have to purchase bootlegs, thats wrong! they should be either shared or traded but never to be re-sold! BAD BAD BAD!!!

Wow, got something off my chest

Yes Ross very BAD BAD BAD. So why are you offering to sell people stuff you've got from others for free?

I'm just waiting for the postman to deliver me all the stuff you've gained from trading my stuff. I'm sure theres a good few others who will be waiting as well

I must be doing something very wrong here. All this doing stuff for the love of it doesn't get you know where

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

Sell one of your recordings? Sorry I can not remeber that at all.... I don't sell, just trade or share for free...

No offence, but are you not confusing me with someone else?

DO NOT try that one with me Ross

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 20:52

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Yes Ross very BAD BAD BAD. So why are you offering to sell people stuff you've got from others for free?

I'm just waiting for the postman to deliver me all the stuff you've gained from trading my stuff. I'm sure theres a good few others who will be waiting as well

I must be doing something very wrong here. All this doing stuff for the love of it doesn't get you know where

I have not sold anything to others, only trade - thats different than selling... I have other things that you can't find on the net, dvds etc....

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I have the above listed on my site but I don't trade that, I just stae it in my collection, if you get what I am meaning by it...

Sorry if it all confused you - maybe I should re word it or something like: In ym collection but not for trading!

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2007, 20:54

Perhaps one of the minor issues here is that when several people here have put the thought and time into making the files and uploading them ready for sharing then perhaps they shouldn't be traded at all, for free or for money, as they're not yours. I know that anything I've been sent stays with me because it's not mine to pass on.

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Perhaps one of the minor issues here is that when several people here have put the thought and time into making the files and uploading them ready for sharing then perhaps they shouldn't be traded at all, for free or for money, as they're not yours. I know that anything I've been sent stays with me because it's not mine to pass on.

maybe thats where I've been going wrong!
I thought trading is different thatn askig for money/selling....
Perhaps I should stop trading.......

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2007, 20:58

Surely you know if you've asked someone for money or not..

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Surely you know if you've asked someone for money or not..

Trust me I do know and I have not!!!!!!! you have to believe me on this.
I don't want to name people but people I know a few who visit this site and they have asked for money as they were at one time selling their bootlegs, making copies and selling them on; even on ebay!!!

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 21:28

The only way to get myself out of this mess was to close the site! I am sorry if I have offended people but I didn;t create the site to upset folk at all, thats the last thing I wanted to do.

This is what I put on the site now:

"Meat Loaf: The Bootlegs has now closed! This is becuase, a forum on the net were annoyed at the site; as it was trading video that was already avaialble on the net for free!

I was not at all selling my stuff and therefore I am unbable to go on with this site as I have not setup this site to offense or hurt anyone at all. I must do whats right and close it! I am sorry to all you that are mad and those to who visited the site!

Something that I must do!!! If you wish to email me please do so...."

MeatLoaf: The Bootlegs is now officialially closed!

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 21:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy!

Perhaps one of the minor issues here is that when several people here have put the thought and time into making the files and uploading them ready for sharing then perhaps they shouldn't be traded at all, for free or for money, as they're not yours. I know that anything I've been sent stays with me because it's not mine to pass on.

Thank you Lucy. I wish others would show the same respect

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 21:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

Trust me I do know and I have not!!!!!!! you have to believe me on this.
I don't want to name people but people I know a few who visit this site and they have asked for money as they were at one time selling their bootlegs, making copies and selling them on; even on ebay!!!

Ross in saying you havent asked for money you are calling me a liar and that I AM NOT. You 100% asked me for money one time on msn when I asked you about a show you had on your old website. I asked you if I could listen to one of the songs, you said yes if I sent you something in return and then you said if I wanted the whole show I could have it for £5. I sent you something so i could see if it was my files you had and it was. so I would of techincally been paying for my own stuff.

I am not the only person you've asked for money for stuff, so you would also be calling them liars.

£5 does NOT cover p&p, not by any stretch of the imagination. Share Ross. It's actually very rewarding.

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

Thank you Lucy. I wish others would show the same respect

Now I have learnt is: All I get is now kept with me and only me unless other wise stated!

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

The only way to get myself out of this mess was to close the site! I am sorry if I have offended people but I didn;t create the site to upset folk at all, thats the last thing I wanted to do.

This is what I put on the site now:

"Meat Loaf: The Bootlegs has now closed! This is becuase, a forum on the net were annoyed at the site; as it was trading video that was already avaialble on the net for free!

I was not at all selling my stuff and therefore I am unbable to go on with this site as I have not setup this site to offense or hurt anyone at all. I must do whats right and close it! I am sorry to all you that are mad and those to who visited the site!

Something that I must do!!! If you wish to email me please do so...."

MeatLoaf: The Bootlegs is now officialially closed!

Ross how many sites are you going to create and then close because you offend people? you forever miss the point.

24 Sep 2007, 19:01	#1
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Trade site Not really sure where to put this but this seemed like a good start. Where shall I start lol.... Deb gets on soap box... there's a trade site around that just happens to list a lot of stuff that has been shared freely by a lot of people over this tour and in the lead up to it just for starters. This stuff is then traded by someone who's downloaded it. Hence they get something new in return for it. Shouldn't this new item then morally be shared back with the community that gave it or should that person just either trade it again or sell it on? ... deb gets off soap box for now.. I for one am pretty pissed of at this. being someone who spends a lot of time and money in sharing with everybody and very rarely gets anything back for it. Not thats that's what i'm after, but when I see others benefiting from mine and others hard work, time and money it pisses me off big time. Especially when I see no signs of them then sharing their new gains from our stuff with us unless we trade or pay for it.

24 Sep 2007, 21:28	#21
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	Site Closed! The only way to get myself out of this mess was to close the site! I am sorry if I have offended people but I didn;t create the site to upset folk at all, thats the last thing I wanted to do. This is what I put on the site now: "Meat Loaf: The Bootlegs has now closed! This is becuase, a forum on the net were annoyed at the site; as it was trading video that was already avaialble on the net for free! I was not at all selling my stuff and therefore I am unbable to go on with this site as I have not setup this site to offense or hurt anyone at all. I must do whats right and close it! I am sorry to all you that are mad and those to who visited the site! Something that I must do!!! If you wish to email me please do so...." MeatLoaf: The Bootlegs is now officialially closed!

24 Sep 2007, 19:14	#2
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Morally speaking you're right Deb. anyone who gets something for nothing off one of the sites out there (and I presume you mean here and TNW for example), should then at the very least offer it back to others on those communities. (moving this thread to Feedback as I don't think it really fits in LCA!)

24 Sep 2007, 19:35	#3
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Yep, trading gets right on my tits. Far better just to put it out there and let everyone have it. Unfortunately a lot of people take but do not give.

24 Sep 2007, 19:39	#4
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	I've even had people try to sell me my own stuff that I gave away for free

24 Sep 2007, 19:51	#6
Ankie Office manager Join Date: 25.04.2002 Posts: 1,883	That could mean we are heading to a new forum rule saying something like: the copyright of each picture is owned by its poster unless stated otherwise? Adding something like the difference between personal use and selling.

24 Sep 2007, 20:02	#7
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Don't get my started on pics again Ankie lol. This time i'm on about audio and video. Take a look at the list below. This is just a few of whats out there. I'm pretty sure either myself or Jules did most of these. yet they are all up for trade. So what do me and Jules get back out of these trades then eh SFA American Idol 2006 Dancing With The Stars 2006 News Years Eve 2006 Royal Variey Performance 2006 Megan Mully Show 2006 Stricly Come Dancing 2006 Today Show 2006 Anything For Love - TOTP 1993 This Morning 2006 Any Meat Will Do 2006 Jimmy Kimmel 2006

24 Sep 2007, 20:13	#8
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	is it me or does this ring bells with me...... I have trade site out there called meatLoaf Bootlegs and I have a forum too where most people including me post free stuff online what we get. the only real stuff I trade is dvd shows, well its hard to upload full shows to the net ain't it? I have the above listed on my site but I don't trade that, I just stae it in my collection, if you get what I am meaning by it... Why deb, what sites are doing this, if your allowed to name. Plus going to the photo's - you shouldn't really take photos and add to another site unless you have permission, trust me I've learnt from it ain't I?! Lastly, what anoyed me once was, I paid on ebay for the History of meat, 1995 NYC dvd+vcd, an audicence recording of meat in miami 1994 and london 1993 was bought via a trade site. I only realised when some people told me you should never have to purchase bootlegs, thats wrong! they should be either shared or traded but never to be re-sold! BAD BAD BAD!!! Wow, got something off my chest

24 Sep 2007, 20:15	#9
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Unforuntely it'll get to the stage where people just have to stop sharing files, of course most of us will miss out but there's always gonna be peple out there who are out to make money regardless of how - the ultimatum will end up as share your files and be prepared for people to get them and trade them, or don't share to begin with

24 Sep 2007, 20:17	#11
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	For ME - I never want to make momney of boots - I see no point in it!

24 Sep 2007, 20:54	#17
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Perhaps one of the minor issues here is that when several people here have put the thought and time into making the files and uploading them ready for sharing then perhaps they shouldn't be traded at all, for free or for money, as they're not yours. I know that anything I've been sent stays with me because it's not mine to pass on.

24 Sep 2007, 20:58	#19
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Surely you know if you've asked someone for money or not..