Bad Attitude US & UK

Kev · 21 Feb 2008, 17:14

I just read that they're totally different mixes? Is that correct? I've only got the 'UK' version, whats different?

*AndyK* · 21 Feb 2008, 17:27

Simply put, the US release (on RCA) has a rockier sound, with more prominent drums and guitars and a much less "80s synth" feel about it.

Meat, Paul Jacobs and Bob Kulick effectively remixed the Arista recording for release in the US and for some of the single releases at the time, there wasn't any re-recording carried out although according to Bob Kulick the record company thought that they'd gone back into the studio to record extra layers for the tracks.

Kev · 21 Feb 2008, 17:33

As if I never knew this! Is there US one floating around anywhere? Or is it the one about £35 on Amazon with the different cover?

mszee · 21 Feb 2008, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by icwuke

As if I never knew this! Is there US one floating around anywhere? Or is it the one about £35 on Amazon with the different cover?

I've been trying to buy one (well, not very actively) for a long while now at the decent price...no luck so far...

mszee · 21 Feb 2008, 18:03

And actually, thanks for the reminder...I just bought a copy for $22.- - that's the cheapest I've ever seen.

WhenItComes2LovingU · 21 Feb 2008, 18:19

Well, there's nothing majorly different. The band and the arrangements are exactly the same, but just as with Cher's "If I Could Turn Back Time" (which got rockier with the U.S. release, more prominent guitars), they decided to harden it for a U.S. audience. Four tracks that we know of got a remix to that end, they jiggered with the track list a bit (though this might be something to do with wrangling, either on Paul Jacobs' part or John Parr's), and some of the songs are a slight bit longer or shorter based on the remix.

The UK track list is:

1. Bad Attitude (4:44)
2. Modern Girl (4:24)
3. Nowhere Fast (5:12)
4. Surf's Up (4:23)
5. Piece Of The Action (4:15)
6. Jumpin' The Gun (3:12)
7. Cheatin' In Your Dreams (4:07)
8. Don't Leave Your Mark On Me (4:08 )
9. Sailor To A Siren (4:40)

The US track list is:

1. Bad Attitude (4:58 )*
2. Modern Girl (4:28 )*
3. Nowhere Fast (5:13)
4. Surf's Up (4:46)**
5. Piece Of The Action (4:02)
6. Jumpin' The Gun (3:13)***
7. Sailor To A Siren (5:05)*
8. Don't Leave Your Mark On Me (4:08 )
9. Cheatin' In Your Dreams (4:16)

* indicates "Remixed by Harvey Goldberg, Bob Kulick, Paul Jacobs, and Meat Loaf"
** indicates "Remixed by Josh Abbey, Bob Kulick, Paul Jacobs, and Meat Loaf"
*** indicates "Remixed by Mack"

**RadioMaster** · 21 Feb 2008, 21:12

didnt know the us one had a different tracklist, always wondered which one i had....now i know

have to keep my eyes open for this one

wolfy35 · 22 Feb 2008, 00:40

I got a UK copy when it came out and the US version when I first visited there with the Army, cant remember when I last played the UK version it leans too far towards pop for my taste where the US has a much more satisfying edge to it

samurai7 · 22 Feb 2008, 01:37

I generally prefer the US version too, but the UK version of Modern Girl is, imo, the better of the two. My ideal version of the album would have the US mixes for all the others, but Sailor To A Siren would be a mixture of the two.

meatloaf-unofficial · 22 Feb 2008, 14:05

I rekon I need to buy a copy of this

Kev · 22 Feb 2008, 17:01

Would anyone happen to have the us download info?

belladonna-took · 22 Feb 2008, 19:48

Do any of the other albums have different mixes for US and UK versions?

samurai7 · 22 Feb 2008, 20:45

no, but there is one extra refrain of 'This boy mama just wanna rock' in the US version of 'Blind Before I Stop'. No idea why. It's like with Queen & Bowie's 'Under Pressure' where certain versions have an extra line.

belladonna-took · 22 Feb 2008, 21:05

I do love Blind Before I Stop! In a way it's a relief that there aren't zillions of alternative versions of all the albums out there that i will have to track down..and pay for!
Do you ever sing it?

**RadioMaster** · 22 Feb 2008, 23:22

i have a question:
if i spot a copy on ebay or amazon, how do i know if its the us or uk one?

belladonna-took · 22 Feb 2008, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

i have a question:
if i spot a copy on ebay or amazon, how do i know if its the us or uk one?

i'd like to know that too

*AndyK* · 22 Feb 2008, 23:45

The UK/Europe release was on Arista. The US one was released on RCA.

belladonna-took · 22 Feb 2008, 23:49

That is a big help. Thanks!

**RadioMaster** · 23 Feb 2008, 00:02

thanks andy, have to look out for this one

Wario · 23 Feb 2008, 03:05

I really didn't like the UK cd versions for one reason ... they were obviously cut shorter then the US version and, IMO, a song is better if it's longer then rockier. BUT the only exception is the UK version of Surf's Up (which may have an earlier fade but it still is a step up from the US bland version).

WhenItComes2LovingU · 24 Feb 2008, 19:35

Also, if the one with a different cover is Meat in a leather jacket, AVOID IT! It's a compilation of tracks from Attitude, BBIS, and some live stuff (from the '87 "Live (At Wembley)" album) released in 2000, designed at selling to the Meat fan who will buy anything.

The track list for the fake B.A. is:

1. Rock And Roll Mercenaries
2. Getting Away With Murder
3. Modern Girl
4. Jumpin' The Gun
5. Nowhere Fast
6. Standing On The Outside
7. Piece Of The Action
8. Cheatin' In Your Dreams
9. Bad Attitude
10. Blind Before I Stop
11. Paradise By The Dashboard Light*
12. Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad*
13. Bat Out Of Hell*

* denotes a live track.

21 Feb 2008, 17:14	#1
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	Bad Attitude US & UK I just read that they're totally different mixes? Is that correct? I've only got the 'UK' version, whats different?

24 Feb 2008, 19:35	#21
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Also, if the one with a different cover is Meat in a leather jacket, AVOID IT! It's a compilation of tracks from Attitude, BBIS, and some live stuff (from the '87 "Live (At Wembley)" album) released in 2000, designed at selling to the Meat fan who will buy anything. The track list for the fake B.A. is: 1. Rock And Roll Mercenaries 2. Getting Away With Murder 3. Modern Girl 4. Jumpin' The Gun 5. Nowhere Fast 6. Standing On The Outside 7. Piece Of The Action 8. Cheatin' In Your Dreams 9. Bad Attitude 10. Blind Before I Stop 11. Paradise By The Dashboard Light* 12. Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad* 13. Bat Out Of Hell* * denotes a live track. Last edited by WhenItComes2LovingU; 24 Feb 2008 at 19:43.

21 Feb 2008, 17:27	#2
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Simply put, the US release (on RCA) has a rockier sound, with more prominent drums and guitars and a much less "80s synth" feel about it. Meat, Paul Jacobs and Bob Kulick effectively remixed the Arista recording for release in the US and for some of the single releases at the time, there wasn't any re-recording carried out although according to Bob Kulick the record company thought that they'd gone back into the studio to record extra layers for the tracks.

21 Feb 2008, 17:33	#3
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	As if I never knew this! Is there US one floating around anywhere? Or is it the one about £35 on Amazon with the different cover?

21 Feb 2008, 18:03	#5
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	And actually, thanks for the reminder...I just bought a copy for $22.- - that's the cheapest I've ever seen.

21 Feb 2008, 18:19	#6
WhenItComes2LovingU Banned Join Date: 16.01.2006 Posts: 303	Well, there's nothing majorly different. The band and the arrangements are exactly the same, but just as with Cher's "If I Could Turn Back Time" (which got rockier with the U.S. release, more prominent guitars), they decided to harden it for a U.S. audience. Four tracks that we know of got a remix to that end, they jiggered with the track list a bit (though this might be something to do with wrangling, either on Paul Jacobs' part or John Parr's), and some of the songs are a slight bit longer or shorter based on the remix. The UK track list is: 1. Bad Attitude (4:44) 2. Modern Girl (4:24) 3. Nowhere Fast (5:12) 4. Surf's Up (4:23) 5. Piece Of The Action (4:15) 6. Jumpin' The Gun (3:12) 7. Cheatin' In Your Dreams (4:07) 8. Don't Leave Your Mark On Me (4:08 ) 9. Sailor To A Siren (4:40) The US track list is: 1. Bad Attitude (4:58 )* 2. Modern Girl (4:28 )* 3. Nowhere Fast (5:13) 4. Surf's Up (4:46) 5. Piece Of The Action (4:02) 6. Jumpin' The Gun (3:13)* 7. Sailor To A Siren (5:05)* 8. Don't Leave Your Mark On Me (4:08 ) 9. Cheatin' In Your Dreams (4:16) * indicates "Remixed by Harvey Goldberg, Bob Kulick, Paul Jacobs, and Meat Loaf" indicates "Remixed by Josh Abbey, Bob Kulick, Paul Jacobs, and Meat Loaf" * indicates "Remixed by Mack"

21 Feb 2008, 21:12	#7
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	didnt know the us one had a different tracklist, always wondered which one i had....now i know have to keep my eyes open for this one

22 Feb 2008, 00:40	#8
wolfy35 Dangerous on a full moon Join Date: 14.03.2007 Location: Standing on the outside, Looking in on you Posts: 751	I got a UK copy when it came out and the US version when I first visited there with the Army, cant remember when I last played the UK version it leans too far towards pop for my taste where the US has a much more satisfying edge to it

22 Feb 2008, 01:37	#9
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	I generally prefer the US version too, but the UK version of Modern Girl is, imo, the better of the two. My ideal version of the album would have the US mixes for all the others, but Sailor To A Siren would be a mixture of the two.

22 Feb 2008, 14:05	#10
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	I rekon I need to buy a copy of this

22 Feb 2008, 17:01	#11
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	Would anyone happen to have the us download info?

22 Feb 2008, 19:48	#12
belladonna-took Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.09.2007 Location: Herefordshire, England Posts: 1,137	Do any of the other albums have different mixes for US and UK versions?

22 Feb 2008, 20:45	#13
samurai7 Rock Star Join Date: 09.05.2005 Location: The future... Posts: 2,928	no, but there is one extra refrain of 'This boy mama just wanna rock' in the US version of 'Blind Before I Stop'. No idea why. It's like with Queen & Bowie's 'Under Pressure' where certain versions have an extra line.

22 Feb 2008, 21:05	#14
belladonna-took Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.09.2007 Location: Herefordshire, England Posts: 1,137	I do love Blind Before I Stop! In a way it's a relief that there aren't zillions of alternative versions of all the albums out there that i will have to track down..and pay for! Do you ever sing it?

22 Feb 2008, 23:22	#15
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	i have a question: if i spot a copy on ebay or amazon, how do i know if its the us or uk one?

22 Feb 2008, 23:45	#17
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	The UK/Europe release was on Arista. The US one was released on RCA.

22 Feb 2008, 23:49	#18
belladonna-took Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.09.2007 Location: Herefordshire, England Posts: 1,137	That is a big help. Thanks!

23 Feb 2008, 00:02	#19
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	thanks andy, have to look out for this one

23 Feb 2008, 03:05	#20
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	I really didn't like the UK cd versions for one reason ... they were obviously cut shorter then the US version and, IMO, a song is better if it's longer then rockier. BUT the only exception is the UK version of Surf's Up (which may have an earlier fade but it still is a step up from the US bland version).