It don't mean a thing ....(if it ain't got that Jim)

dottie · 18 May 2003, 14:42

Go buy Classic Rock - Where Legends Live
May 2003 £3 30p

IN A NUTSHELL -" Meat himself has successfully fought the flab, but this album could do with a visit to Weightwatchers" - you seen the general tone

of this review

Quote "Like Laurel and Hardy and fish chips, some things are just meant to come in pairs. Unfortunately for mighty Meat Loaf, his other half doesn't always want to play ball."

Quote "Meat never quits, although the remainder of the album does. "Tear me down" is a horrible rock'n'nroller, and there's a horrendous live "Bat out of Hell" tacked onto the end.

I was absolutely furious at this review

Quote "He would anything for Jim, but he won't wait seven years between albums"

Reveiwed by Jon Hotten (This man talks out of the back of his a..e)

Ben · 18 May 2003, 14:51

GGGGRRRR

Tim · 18 May 2003, 14:53

That is not a nice review. Very hard.... but maybe there is some truth in there.... (i know i'm making enemies right now). But let's face it, an album that is made without Steinman is not such a great album.

The Butcher, tim

dottie · 18 May 2003, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben

GGGGRRRR

I quite agree - I'm still

as hell.

Jon Hotten needs to be sent "Back into Hell" where he belongs

Quote "He finds writers who approxiamte Jim's style, and gives it all he's got. It never works"

Ben · 18 May 2003, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottie

Go buy Classic Rock - Where Legends Live
May 2003 £3 30p

IN A NUTSHELL -" Meat himself has successfully fought the flab, but this album could with a visit to Weightwatchers" - you seen the general tone

of this review

Quote "Like Laurel and Hardy and fish chips, some things are just meant to come in pairs. Unfortunately for mighty Meat Loaf, his other half doesn't always want to play ball."

Quote "Meat never quits, although the remainder of the album does. "Tear me down" is a horrible rock'n'nroller, and there's a horrendous live "Bat out of Hell" tacked onto the end.

I was absolutely furious at this review

Quote "He would anything for Jim, but he won't wait seven years between albums"

Reveiwed by Jon Hotten (This man talks out of the back of his a..e)

if you ask me i think that its narrow minded reviews and self centered people like Jon Hotten who stop ablums getting the reconision (sp?) that they deserve and stop them getting to no.1 in the charts.

dottie · 18 May 2003, 15:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim

That is not a nice review. Very hard.... but maybe there is some truth in there.... (i know i'm making enemies right now). But let's face it, an album that is made without Steinman is not such a great album.

The Butcher, tim

Tim if you read the complete review believe me you will be madder than hell - Shall I type it up

Tim · 18 May 2003, 15:02

Still very strange, in some Dutch music magazines, Meat Loaf is portretted very good. With a new come back... 4 stars for the album... titles like "he came back, and how" and all that stuff.

So don't botter, reviewers don't know nothing about music and writing. They have had no education hahaha

Ben · 18 May 2003, 15:02

if u dont mind dottie, please.

aussielovesmeat · 18 May 2003, 15:09

Yes, please type the rest dottie
I'd like to see the rest of what this brainless idiot has written

Aussie
xxx

dottie · 18 May 2003, 15:25

Steinmans irregularity is commercial sucide for a garralous man like Meat.Jim can't hit a record company schedule, he can't write three-minute tunes.A zealous perfectionist, he is unable to delegate. So nimble are the forgers fingers on the opening, seven minute CHSIB that one is hard pressed to say that it is not one of the great mans songs. Wondeerful performance from Patti Russo, Only the smallest details , a line that doesn't quite scan, a clumsy chord crash before a piano break - give it away.Its as good as this record gets, though- this is a long record.What the songs lack are Steinmans cleverness and attention to detail, his lyrical puns and inversions are always a joy, his use of musical motifs and phrases always beyond mere effect.
Meat never quits but remainder off the album does.Forever Young is surely a Michael Bolton parody, dripping in squishy schaltz. Meat remains a terrific singer - no one does quivering, unfullfilled lust quite like he does - and a marvelously baroque stage character.. But he is at the whim of another mans music and there is no escaping it.

Had to edit this as it is so long.

heat · 18 May 2003, 15:35

D'ya think we should organise the lynch mob now???

Heat
xxx

badger · 18 May 2003, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottie

Forever Young is surely a Michael Bolton parody, dripping in squishy schaltz

This shows how much this 'reviewer' knows about music then.

I do agree that nothing can ever compare to Steinman, but that doesn't mean that nothing else can be good.

greg · 18 May 2003, 16:07

i must say i like about 5 tracks of the new album nobody gets as hurt as me when they start having ago about meat loaf than me. but i must agree with tim, nothing will ever live up to jim steinman as far as i am concerned, good album , but i know the meat laf fans are really waiting for bat 3. i know you might all be waiting to have a go at me now , but thats my view

Asha · 18 May 2003, 16:12

I agree with Badger, Steinman writes great music and lyrics, and meat can sing them like nobody can, but i've heard a great many songs that have become classics and are performed great that are not steiman's or meat's.

So were does this reviewer get off with this nonsence. I think he believes every song should be ABABCB, 3 minutes long or else it's not music!!!
I get the idea that he thinks without steiman meat cannot make darn good music.......WRONG!
Totally.

Anyway my 2 cents....
Asha

Tim · 18 May 2003, 16:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by heat

D'ya think we should organise the lynch mob now???

Heat
xxx

Oh oh... Heat... just breath normally... don't think stupid or strange things... keep away from the knives...

original sin · 18 May 2003, 16:18

Just picture a stream flowing gently through the valleys......The sun is shining and the breeze is blowing the long grass making it whisper sweet melodies.......

Meat's music will be played long after these reviewers are worm food!!!

Asha · 18 May 2003, 16:21

Well said Original Sin.....

I'm wondering is he even listened to the music...
and not just to the arrangements, lyrics and so on.

To rate any music you should al least once JUST listen to the music....
Sit back, kick of shoes, relax and listen to it ALL......and not the pieces/parts of it.

Renegade Angel · 18 May 2003, 16:30

Im with Tim and Greg on this one.
I consider myself a massive fan of Meat's and im totally behind the album, single, tour ect, but I think that most fans would prefer an album of Steinman material and that is what the reviewer is saying that the new album is great but as far as the music press is concerned a Meat Loaf Album without Jim is not as good as some of Meat's older material.

I actually Love this new album as I have done with every other Meat album but you've got to remember that the press will always give their own opinion and if they don't like the album then they are going to to knock it.

jcmoorehead · 18 May 2003, 16:53

I think the point is. This is a great album but reviewers won't let it be good because Steinman had nothing to do with it.

mariella · 18 May 2003, 16:56

Hi Dottie,

Furious!!!

Know there are a lot of narrow minded people out there. This is definately one of them. Sorry for him though, if you write like this, don't think you are a very happy person. Too bad for him..

Please tell me one thing, did he also say the bit that it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Jim? Hope not, because that would be very disrespectful.

Well, of to throw some (old) plates on the floor as hard as I can, be back soon 'my happy self'!

Mariella

greg · 18 May 2003, 18:12

well said ren angel i would like to say i got a reply from meat loaf when he was on line on bbc radio 2 that this tour will be a mix of chsib & old stuff so i am well pleased with that

dottie · 18 May 2003, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by heat

D'ya think we should organise the lynch mob now???

Heat
xxx

YES! This is one of the most biased reviews I have ever read, usually I let this kind of thing pass me by - but I was furious - to read the complete review (which is a full page of bile) sickened me. Can I tie the noose please

dottie · 18 May 2003, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger

Quote:

Originally Posted by dottie

Forever Young is surely a Michael Bolton parody, dripping in squishy schaltz

This shows how much this 'reviewer' knows about music then.

I do agree that nothing can ever compare to Steinman, but that doesn't mean that nothing else can be good.

This is why the review infuriated me so much , that fact that the complete review is very long and time and time again the writer draws comparisons between Midnight, Welcome to the Neighbourhood. Blind before I stop etc., in fact all the albums which were made without Jim.

dottie · 18 May 2003, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg

i must say i like about 5 tracks of the new album nobody gets as hurt as me when they start having ago about meat loaf than me. but i must agree with tim, nothing will ever live up to jim steinman as far as i am concerned, good album , but i know the meat laf fans are really waiting for bat 3. i know you might all be waiting to have a go at me now , but thats my view

Greg this is precisely what I was so cross about - Jon Hotten completely disregarded Midnight, Welcome to the Neighbourhood etc., as not worthy of Meat - But us Meat fans wouldn't be true fans if we didn't accept that artists need to spread their wings musically wise.

dottie · 18 May 2003, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by original sin

Just picture a stream flowing gently through the valleys......The sun is shining and the breeze is blowing the long grass making it whisper sweet melodies.......

Meat's music will be played long after these reviewers are worm food!!!

Well said Original Sin

18 May 2003, 14:42	#1
dottie queen post- whore extraordinaire Join Date: 29.01.2003 Location: Still Rockin' at "72" Posts: 13,181	It don't mean a thing ....(if it ain't got that Jim) Go buy Classic Rock - Where Legends Live May 2003 £3 30p IN A NUTSHELL -" Meat himself has successfully fought the flab, but this album could do with a visit to Weightwatchers" - you seen the general tone of this review Quote "Like Laurel and Hardy and fish chips, some things are just meant to come in pairs. Unfortunately for mighty Meat Loaf, his other half doesn't always want to play ball." Quote "Meat never quits, although the remainder of the album does. "Tear me down" is a horrible rock'n'nroller, and there's a horrendous live "Bat out of Hell" tacked onto the end. I was absolutely furious at this review Quote "He would anything for Jim, but he won't wait seven years between albums" Reveiwed by Jon Hotten (This man talks out of the back of his a..e)

18 May 2003, 16:07	#13
greg Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: lincoln Posts: 885	agree with tim i must say i like about 5 tracks of the new album nobody gets as hurt as me when they start having ago about meat loaf than me. but i must agree with tim, nothing will ever live up to jim steinman as far as i am concerned, good album , but i know the meat laf fans are really waiting for bat 3. i know you might all be waiting to have a go at me now , but thats my view

18 May 2003, 18:12	#21
greg Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: lincoln Posts: 885	well said well said ren angel i would like to say i got a reply from meat loaf when he was on line on bbc radio 2 that this tour will be a mix of chsib & old stuff so i am well pleased with that

18 May 2003, 14:51	#2
Ben Mega Loafer Join Date: 19.03.2003 Location: Kent, England Posts: 4,163	GGGGRRRR

18 May 2003, 14:53	#3
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	That is not a nice review. Very hard.... but maybe there is some truth in there.... (i know i'm making enemies right now). But let's face it, an album that is made without Steinman is not such a great album. The Butcher, tim

18 May 2003, 15:02	#7
Tim The Butcher Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Westervoort, The Netherlands Posts: 10,321	Still very strange, in some Dutch music magazines, Meat Loaf is portretted very good. With a new come back... 4 stars for the album... titles like "he came back, and how" and all that stuff. So don't botter, reviewers don't know nothing about music and writing. They have had no education hahaha

18 May 2003, 15:09	#9
aussielovesmeat Loafer Join Date: 08.05.2003 Location: South Australia Posts: 91	Yes, please type the rest dottie I'd like to see the rest of what this brainless idiot has written Aussie xxx

18 May 2003, 15:25	#10
dottie queen post- whore extraordinaire Join Date: 29.01.2003 Location: Still Rockin' at "72" Posts: 13,181	Steinmans irregularity is commercial sucide for a garralous man like Meat.Jim can't hit a record company schedule, he can't write three-minute tunes.A zealous perfectionist, he is unable to delegate. So nimble are the forgers fingers on the opening, seven minute CHSIB that one is hard pressed to say that it is not one of the great mans songs. Wondeerful performance from Patti Russo, Only the smallest details , a line that doesn't quite scan, a clumsy chord crash before a piano break - give it away.Its as good as this record gets, though- this is a long record.What the songs lack are Steinmans cleverness and attention to detail, his lyrical puns and inversions are always a joy, his use of musical motifs and phrases always beyond mere effect. Meat never quits but remainder off the album does.Forever Young is surely a Michael Bolton parody, dripping in squishy schaltz. Meat remains a terrific singer - no one does quivering, unfullfilled lust quite like he does - and a marvelously baroque stage character.. But he is at the whim of another mans music and there is no escaping it. Had to edit this as it is so long.

18 May 2003, 15:35	#11
heat Rampant Loafer... Join Date: 29.07.2002 Location: welshy wales Posts: 5,706	D'ya think we should organise the lynch mob now??? Heat xxx

18 May 2003, 16:12	#14
Asha Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.05.2003 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 1,356	I agree with Badger, Steinman writes great music and lyrics, and meat can sing them like nobody can, but i've heard a great many songs that have become classics and are performed great that are not steiman's or meat's. So were does this reviewer get off with this nonsence. I think he believes every song should be ABABCB, 3 minutes long or else it's not music!!! I get the idea that he thinks without steiman meat cannot make darn good music.......WRONG! Totally. Anyway my 2 cents.... Asha

18 May 2003, 16:18	#16
original sin Sinner Join Date: 15.04.2003 Location: cyber space Posts: 2,457	Just picture a stream flowing gently through the valleys......The sun is shining and the breeze is blowing the long grass making it whisper sweet melodies....... Meat's music will be played long after these reviewers are worm food!!!

18 May 2003, 16:21	#17
Asha Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.05.2003 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 1,356	Well said Original Sin..... I'm wondering is he even listened to the music... and not just to the arrangements, lyrics and so on. To rate any music you should al least once JUST listen to the music.... Sit back, kick of shoes, relax and listen to it ALL......and not the pieces/parts of it.

18 May 2003, 16:30	#18
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	Im with Tim and Greg on this one. I consider myself a massive fan of Meat's and im totally behind the album, single, tour ect, but I think that most fans would prefer an album of Steinman material and that is what the reviewer is saying that the new album is great but as far as the music press is concerned a Meat Loaf Album without Jim is not as good as some of Meat's older material. I actually Love this new album as I have done with every other Meat album but you've got to remember that the press will always give their own opinion and if they don't like the album then they are going to to knock it.

18 May 2003, 16:53	#19
jcmoorehead Super Loafer Join Date: 09.04.2003 Location: Edinburgh, formerly Teesside Posts: 671	I think the point is. This is a great album but reviewers won't let it be good because Steinman had nothing to do with it.

18 May 2003, 16:56	#20
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	Hi Dottie, Furious!!! Know there are a lot of narrow minded people out there. This is definately one of them. Sorry for him though, if you write like this, don't think you are a very happy person. Too bad for him.. Please tell me one thing, did he also say the bit that it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that Jim? Hope not, because that would be very disrespectful. Well, of to throw some (old) plates on the floor as hard as I can, be back soon 'my happy self'! Mariella