Meat's posts

Kathy · 22 Apr 2010, 00:36

I have been swamped lately, and couldn't visit this site in time to see firsthand what Meat said yesterday. Some of his posts were copied to me privately but I still haven't seen them all. When a heckler causes a problem, Meat often ends up speaking "for" many of us by addressing the heckler directly, using language we cannot. Naturally I wish Meat didn't have to do this, and the heckler's posts could simply be deleted. But when Meat feels forced to reply, I always feel better after he does. I wish the thread hadn't been deleted.

I have kept quiet about the issue of a forum for the new MeatLoaf.net, thinking it's Meat's choice, and if he prefers to post here, fine, I'll post here, too. But I come here primarily to read what Meat has to say. I don't want anyone deleting Meat's posts (other than Meat himself, of course). Locking a thread that has become combative makes a certain amount of sense, but if you do, cut it off right after Meat's last post, and leave it up. In his deleted posts, Meat was expressing opinions and feelings I have shared for some time, but if I posted so freely it would be considered flaming, and rightly so. But Meat should be under no such constraints! Is this a double standard? You bet it is!!!! If Meat can't say whatever he wants on a forum that bears his name, he shouldn't waste his time here, and since I want to read his uncensored comments, neither should I.

Strong words coming from me, but I feel strongly about it. I am hoping that the truth of "you can't have your cake and eat it too" will sink in, the choice will be made to accept the honor of hosting (and not muzzling!) Meat, and the thread (up to and including his last post, with the rest lopped off) will be restored.

hopefully, Kathy

carole · 22 Apr 2010, 00:46

Well said Kathy, I am in complete agreement. Meat should be able to come here without being attacked or disrespected. I always feel badly for him when people are rude to him and he has every right to respond in kind. I was annoyed to see his posts had been removed as well.

Carole

duke knooby · 22 Apr 2010, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kathy

But Meat should be under no such constraints! Is this a double standard? You bet it is!!!!

gotta agree 100% with you on that

TheDoode · 22 Apr 2010, 00:49

Yep, you get my vote! Meat shouldn't have to put up with that sh*t, and he sure as hell shouldn't have to put up with it here (of all places). I mean, the name on the top is MEAT LOAF. Clues in the title, people!

Doode.

Sarge · 22 Apr 2010, 00:53

It was a pretty ugly thread and I'm glad it has been removed. I do not favor censorship but with regard to the reputation of this forum, I think it was the right decision. People who aren't familiar with the background and who stumble over such threads could easily misinterpret them.

duke knooby · 22 Apr 2010, 00:58

not one for gossip... but i wanna know who said what

and how did i miss it?

clpmss · 22 Apr 2010, 01:03

I missed it too. like to know who and what set him off again

suzieq · 22 Apr 2010, 01:14

I'm going to have to agree 100% with Kathy here. I was also made aware of posts that were deleted/locked. By the time I got around to logging on the posts were already gone. I wished to have seen it because Meat does say what others and I cannot. He's the only one that can call someone out on junk and should be able to freely. If we all started defending Meat or Meat's principles then it would turn into a virtual riot....and that isn't enjoyable for anyone. Nor would it a flattering show of a forum, IMO.

So what happens, the more passive person sits on their hands to not go into severe defensive mode and wait for their knight in shining armor to say something.

Today, Kathy, you are my knight....Thank you so much for stepping up to the plate so eloquently. I think the thread should show itself as well. I'm all for Meat saying whatever it is he needs to say and when he needs to say it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

It was a pretty ugly thread and I'm glad it has been removed. I do not favor censorship but with regard to the reputation of this forum, I think it was the right decision. People who aren't familiar with the background and who stumble over such threads could easily misinterpret them.

The reputation of this forum is going to end up being the place for fans to beat up on Meat if it isn't careful here. As well as, the forum in which Meat was censored from which bears his name.

Suzieq

MeatGrl1 · 22 Apr 2010, 01:14

I have to totally agree with you Kathy.
Love seeing 'Fire Ball' back on here and as you say he has the most right to be here and as it's his site he should be able to post whatever the hell he wants to however I do think sometimes peoples intents are fishing for a confrontation and in turn that ruins it for the latter. Sad but true

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Sarge · 22 Apr 2010, 01:16

Well, Suzieq, I read the respective thread in it's entirety. What Kathy, you and others defend is something that makes me very, very sad.

Cherry.Loaf · 22 Apr 2010, 01:18

Wow thats shocking that people would verbally attack Meat on a foroum for fans I hate trolls

Vickip · 22 Apr 2010, 01:19

I agree Kathy ... Meat should be able to post whatever he wants and made to feel comfortable,
especially here. I enjoy reading Meat's posts, and it bothers me to see him get upset and have
to defend himself.

Having said that, I admit I didn't have a chance to read through the entire thread yesterday morning.
But from what I did see, I agree with Sarge .. it was pretty ugly and I was glad to see it removed.
Maybe Meat himself even asked someone to delete it

IMO it was in his best interest in this case.

TheDoode · 22 Apr 2010, 01:20

I read the entire thing too, and Meat was completely justified in everything that he wrote. I know I'm relatively 'new' here, but the exact thing that's been getting to Meat has bothered me since day one. And that's the sad thing - if it wasn't for so much negative emphasis by a very small number of people, this would be a great place for everyone.

Doode.

suzieq · 22 Apr 2010, 01:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Well, Suzieq, I read the respective thread in it's entirety. What Kathy, you and others defend is something that makes me very, very sad.

What saddens me is the reason he has to do it at all. Unfortunately we cannot control others and they are going to run their mouths off. Meat should have the double standard and be treated as a guest of honor here.

@Vicki if Meat indeed requested the thread to be closed....I will respect that wish.

Kathy · 22 Apr 2010, 01:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzieq

What saddens me is the reason he has to do it at all.

Exactly!! ..and Meat didn't even lose his temper. I agreed with everything he said and the way he said it.

-Kathy

Vickip · 22 Apr 2010, 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzieq

What saddens me is the reason he has to do it at all.

Exactly

MeatGrl1 · 22 Apr 2010, 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vickip

I agree Kathy ... Meat should be able to post whatever he wants and made to feel comfortable,
especially here. I enjoy reading Meat's posts, and it bothers me to see him get upset and have
to defend himself.

Having said that, I admit I didn't have a chance to read through the entire thread yesterday morning.
But from what I did see, I agree with Sarge .. it was pretty ugly and I was glad to see it removed.
Maybe Meat himself even asked someone to delete it

IMO it was in his best interest in this case.

It did get extreemly ugly and I am not defending that but it's sad that Meat was pushed to that extreem on his own forum !!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoode

I read the entire thing too, and Meat was completely justified in everything that he wrote. I know I'm relatively 'new' here, but the exact thing that's been getting to Meat has bothered me since day one. And that's the sad thing - if it wasn't for so much negative emphasis by a very small number of people, this would be a great place for everyone.

Doode.

I totally 100% agree with you and I also read the entire thing including Meat's thread AFTER the original got locked. And yes it's sad that a few have to spoil it for others who are excited and want to share Meat's excitement and enthusiasm.

duke knooby · 22 Apr 2010, 01:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoode

if it wasn't for so much negative emphasis by a very small number of people, this would be a great place for everyone.

Doode.

didnt see the thread so can't comment on its content... however,

if theres a negative emphasis from a small number of people? why is that a problem?

respect/opinions/choice/preference etc

The majority have said how great it is, the reviews have been very positive, the sales have been strong

why are you soo insecure that someone may not worship something?

YOU ALL HAVE OPINIONS, YOURE OPINION IS NO MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYONE ELSE'

TheDoode · 22 Apr 2010, 01:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by duke knooby

didnt see the thread so can't comment on its content... however,

if theres a negative emphasis from a small number of people? why is that a problem?

respect/opinions/choice/preference etc

The majority have said how great it is, the reviews have been very positive, the sales have been strong

why are you soo insecure that someone may not worship something?

YOU ALL HAVE OPINIONS, YOURE OPINION IS NO MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYONE ELSE'

With all the love in the world, don't call me 'insecure'. It's not about people 'worshipping', it's about multiple unessesary posts littering threads with the sole intention (obvious or not) of bringing the general vibe down for everyone else. If someone wants to post something constructive and critical, power to them, if someone wants to post the equivalent of 'shit' after every page... that bothers me. It obviously bothers Meat too.

Doode.

duke knooby · 22 Apr 2010, 01:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoode

With all the love in the world, don't call me 'insecure'. It's not about people 'worshipping', it's about multiple unessesary posts littering threads with the sole intention (obvious or not) of bringing the general vibe down for everyone else. If someone wants to post something constructive and critical, power to them, if someone wants to post the equivalent of 'shit' after every page... that bothers me. It obviously bothers Meat too.

Doode.

what if? someone wants to post something critical based on what they experienced?

Sarge · 22 Apr 2010, 01:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzieq

Meat should have the double standard and be treated as a guest of honor here.

Or maybe just develop a thick skin about certain comments?

Some people provoke on purpose, some are just clumsy when it comes to their wording... Meat has every right to react to certain offenses, yet I think it depends on what that reaction looks like. I have seen too many posts on this board I wish I hadn't seen and which had a very negative impact on the way I used to perceive certain things and people.

Vickip · 22 Apr 2010, 01:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeatGrl1

It did get extreemly ugly and I am not defending that but it's sad that Meat was pushed to that extreem on his own forum !!

I absolutely agree with you ... I think it's sad too

TheDoode · 22 Apr 2010, 01:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by duke knooby

what if? someone wants to post something critical based on what they experienced?

All I can say to that is 'see my previous post'.

Doode.

duke knooby · 22 Apr 2010, 01:49

so critisism is fine, as long as its positive?

TheDoode · 22 Apr 2010, 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge

Or maybe just develop a thick skin about certain comments?

So... Meat should just ignore 'certain comments' while the perpetrator gets to say whatever he wants?

That's all kinds of wrong.

Man, I thought you were all for anti-censorship?

Doode.

22 Apr 2010, 00:36	#1
Kathy Super Loafer Join Date: 02.10.2003 Location: Columbus, Ohio USA Posts: 610	Meat's posts I have been swamped lately, and couldn't visit this site in time to see firsthand what Meat said yesterday. Some of his posts were copied to me privately but I still haven't seen them all. When a heckler causes a problem, Meat often ends up speaking "for" many of us by addressing the heckler directly, using language we cannot. Naturally I wish Meat didn't have to do this, and the heckler's posts could simply be deleted. But when Meat feels forced to reply, I always feel better after he does. I wish the thread hadn't been deleted. I have kept quiet about the issue of a forum for the new MeatLoaf.net, thinking it's Meat's choice, and if he prefers to post here, fine, I'll post here, too. But I come here primarily to read what Meat has to say. I don't want anyone deleting Meat's posts (other than Meat himself, of course). Locking a thread that has become combative makes a certain amount of sense, but if you do, cut it off right after Meat's last post, and leave it up. In his deleted posts, Meat was expressing opinions and feelings I have shared for some time, but if I posted so freely it would be considered flaming, and rightly so. But Meat should be under no such constraints! Is this a double standard? You bet it is!!!! If Meat can't say whatever he wants on a forum that bears his name, he shouldn't waste his time here, and since I want to read his uncensored comments, neither should I. Strong words coming from me, but I feel strongly about it. I am hoping that the truth of "you can't have your cake and eat it too" will sink in, the choice will be made to accept the honor of hosting (and not muzzling!) Meat, and the thread (up to and including his last post, with the rest lopped off) will be restored. hopefully, Kathy

22 Apr 2010, 00:46	#2
carole Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2007 Location: Gold Coast Posts: 2,286	Well said Kathy, I am in complete agreement. Meat should be able to come here without being attacked or disrespected. I always feel badly for him when people are rude to him and he has every right to respond in kind. I was annoyed to see his posts had been removed as well. Carole

22 Apr 2010, 00:49	#4
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	Yep, you get my vote! Meat shouldn't have to put up with that sh*t, and he sure as hell shouldn't have to put up with it here (of all places). I mean, the name on the top is MEAT LOAF. Clues in the title, people! Doode.

22 Apr 2010, 00:53	#5
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	It was a pretty ugly thread and I'm glad it has been removed. I do not favor censorship but with regard to the reputation of this forum, I think it was the right decision. People who aren't familiar with the background and who stumble over such threads could easily misinterpret them.

22 Apr 2010, 00:58	#6
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,884	not one for gossip... but i wanna know who said what and how did i miss it?

22 Apr 2010, 01:03	#7
clpmss Anything for Sir Meat Loaf Join Date: 24.09.2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 644	I missed it too. like to know who and what set him off again

22 Apr 2010, 01:14	#9
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	I have to totally agree with you Kathy. Love seeing 'Fire Ball' back on here and as you say he has the most right to be here and as it's his site he should be able to post whatever the hell he wants to however I do think sometimes peoples intents are fishing for a confrontation and in turn that ruins it for the latter. Sad but true .

22 Apr 2010, 01:16	#10
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	Well, Suzieq, I read the respective thread in it's entirety. What Kathy, you and others defend is something that makes me very, very sad.

22 Apr 2010, 01:18	#11
Cherry.Loaf Los Angeloser Join Date: 02.04.2010 Location: Bristol Posts: 1,072	Wow thats shocking that people would verbally attack Meat on a foroum for fans I hate trolls

22 Apr 2010, 01:19	#12
Vickip Mega Loafer Join Date: 07.02.2003 Location: Posts: 8,101	I agree Kathy ... Meat should be able to post whatever he wants and made to feel comfortable, especially here. I enjoy reading Meat's posts, and it bothers me to see him get upset and have to defend himself. Having said that, I admit I didn't have a chance to read through the entire thread yesterday morning. But from what I did see, I agree with Sarge .. it was pretty ugly and I was glad to see it removed. Maybe Meat himself even asked someone to delete it IMO it was in his best interest in this case.

22 Apr 2010, 01:20	#13
TheDoode Guest Join Date: 16.02.2010 Posts: 1,023	I read the entire thing too, and Meat was completely justified in everything that he wrote. I know I'm relatively 'new' here, but the exact thing that's been getting to Meat has bothered me since day one. And that's the sad thing - if it wasn't for so much negative emphasis by a very small number of people, this would be a great place for everyone. Doode.

22 Apr 2010, 01:49	#24
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,884	so critisism is fine, as long as its positive?