barry manilow read em & weep do me a f.....g favour

greg · 14 Jun 2003, 21:37

hi i have just got hold of a rare piece of jim steinman interview & on it it plays a video of barry manilow singing read em & weep barry where is the pasion the meaning barry you killed it it just comes to show that none of these so called stars can do a meat song . or am i expecting to much , please just leave it to meat loaf

tukayaway · 15 Jun 2003, 03:02

I was given the song on 7" vinyl. Listened to it once. That was 8 years ago.

evil nickname · 15 Jun 2003, 03:50

Actually, I think that version is not all that bad... okay, it's different, but since is different equal to bad?
Musically, this version has all kind of subtle touches: where Barry sings "with just a touch of a sarcastic 'thanks'", the backing vocals do also a very sarcastic 'thanks' in the background. Matter of fact: I like this version musically even better than Meat's, although I must say that I think that Meat's vocals suit the song better.

Rob The Badger · 15 Jun 2003, 13:36

Am I the only one who thinks the Meat version gets a bit too rocky in the chorus?

greg · 15 Jun 2003, 14:06

thats the the whole idea i think that part is great agree or not agree leave your say

dottie · 15 Jun 2003, 17:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by tukayaway

I was given the song on 7" vinyl. Listened to it once. That was 8 years ago.

Mine was doomed to the catacoombs many eons ago.

But one I do like is Barbra Streisand Left in the Dark I've got this on 45rpm

Lady B · 16 Jun 2003, 16:27

Actually, the version I heard first was Barry's version and it blew me away to later hear Meat's version. To be honest I like both and I'm partial to Barry Manilow. Ok, yes I love Barry Manilow! I openly admit that. Could have killed my ex for giving away all my Barry Manilow albums (and many others along with my stereo) behind my back . . . but that's another story.

Lady B

badger · 16 Jun 2003, 23:20

i don't mind the Manilow version, it isn't a disgrace to the song, although I love Meat's a lot more. I am not a big fan of Barry Manilow, but I have a great deal of respect for him, and i agree the song is 'different' without being awful.

Sapphire Lady · 16 Jun 2003, 23:41

I've never heard Barry Manilow sing Read em and Weep, or Barbra Streisand sing Left in the Dark, or Bonnie Tyler 2 out of 3.

And I can honestly say I don't want to. These are Meat Loaf songs and should stay that way. No other artist could possibly do them justice.

evil nickname · 16 Jun 2003, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphire Lady

or Barbra Streisand sing Left in the Dark [snip]
These are Meat Loaf songs and should stay that way.

Ever heard track number 9 from an album called Bad for Good, which was released in 1981 and sung by a guy named Jim Steinman? :-)

badger · 16 Jun 2003, 23:48

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Ever heard track number 9 from an album called Bad for Good, which was released in 1981 and sung by a guy named Jim Steinman?

lol, fair point. They are really mostly Jim songs, althouh in our hearts they are Meat's. As long as the cheeky girls dont cover CHSIB...

Sapphire Lady · 16 Jun 2003, 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphire Lady

or Barbra Streisand sing Left in the Dark [snip]
These are Meat Loaf songs and should stay that way.

Ever heard track number 9 from an album called Bad for Good, which was released in 1981 and sung by a guy named Jim Steinman?

Yes, and I say Meat's version is vastly superior. Jim is a brilliant songwriter but I'm afraid he just doesn't have the right voice to do justice to his own songs.

Sapphire Lady · 17 Jun 2003, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by badger

As long as the cheeky girls dont cover CHSIB...

God help us. That would be even worse than Barry Manilow

Bart · 17 Jun 2003, 12:22

I have knwon for many years that Manilow sings this song but i REFUSE to buy it, cause i know it is bad. Okay, Jim produced it, but hy, he makes mistakes too ( Take That, for example).

Streisand with Left in the dark is great though. Nice backing vocals.

evil nickname · 17 Jun 2003, 17:52

[tongue-in-cheek]Good thing that you can actually argue about taste... isn't it? [/tongue-in-cheek]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart

he makes mistakes too ( Take That, for example)

And I would consider the Take That song a rather listenable track, okay, he's done better, but it was far from his worse (which would include hiring Michael C. for DotV)...

Renegade Angel · 17 Jun 2003, 18:24

Take That???? - when did Jim work with those muppets?

Are you sure you don't mean Boyzone?

Sapphire Lady · 17 Jun 2003, 18:30

Yes, I think Bart + evil nickname must be referring to Boyzone's version of No Matter What.

I don't think Jim worked with them though. They just covered his song.

And it goes without saying that Meat's version is in a different league.

evil nickname · 17 Jun 2003, 18:41

In 1995 Jim Steinman remixed/co-produced the track Never Forget for the single. He added some intro and a boy's choir I believe (I haven't heard the original)

On this page, there's slightly more info available.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphire Lady

I don't think Jim worked with them though. They just covered his song.

And it goes without saying that Meat's version is in a different league.

Boyzone: No Matter What
Produced by Jim Steinman, Andrew Lloyd Webber and Nigel Wright

if that's not working with them, I don't know what is... and for being in a different league, I'm not so impressed by Meat's version myself...

and on another edit: I recall Meat saying that he didn't know that Boyzone also did a version of NMW, until it was number one in the UK, thus indicating they were first, and besides that all, even Meat's version is a cover (from the musical Whistle down the Wind)

Sapphire Lady · 17 Jun 2003, 23:09

I didn't realise that Jim co-produced the Boyzone version of No Matter What.

I heard that the song was promised to Meat but something happened and it was given to Boyzone instead and Meat only found out about this when it went to No 1. Don't know if there's any truth in that though.

Asha · 17 Jun 2003, 23:15

Meat said so on a TV show he did for TMF (The music factory, something like MTV) I have it on tape....So I guess it must be true...

Asha

mariella · 17 Jun 2003, 23:20

I have to 'confess' I really like Take That and Boyzone (Not even ashamed of it too!

). Now don't ask me about Robbie Williams, you probibly don't want to hear it!!!

For me the Boyzone and Meats version of NMW are 2 Completly different songs! I like both, ofcourse heard it was the same song. But the emotion in both songs is SO different for me. Yes, like Meats version a lot more, doesn't mean I don't like the BZ version, 'feel' different to me. Strange isn't it, same lyrics. Think it says a lot about this voice!

Great day to you,

Mariella

tbuck · 18 Jun 2003, 03:55

Well musical taste is just that, personal taste. Don't care much for BM or BS (hmm, that sounds strange). Just don't ask me about the Russell Watson version of INS

, that was a case of torturing and murdering a song. I actually listened to the whole thing, Jules couldn't bear more than a few seconds

Now I hear RW is releasing a version of BOOH...when will the MADNESS STOP!

J/k, to each their own, but the above is my honest opinion.

T

Bart · 18 Jun 2003, 15:38

Steinman has produced one song for Take That. I forgot which song. Was it Back for Good? Who cares anyway.

Sapphire Lady · 18 Jun 2003, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bart

Steinman has produced one song for Take That. I forgot which song. Was it Back for Good?

I think maybe you're getting mixed up with Bad for Good

Evil nickname said earlier it was a song called Never Forget. Don't think I've ever heard it - or if I have I've forgotten

**The Flying Mouse** · 18 Jun 2003, 16:53

Russel Watson recording Bat?
What a great idea

.
Why don't we send Rolf Harris round to touch up the Mona Lisa while we're at it.
Or how about having Bob the builder pop round to rebuild the Taj Mahal.

Russel.
Listen very carefully.I don't want to have to say this again.
Meat=Rock God

Russel Watson=Pillock

DON'T F**K WITH ANOTHER MAN'S RELIGION.

14 Jun 2003, 21:37	#1
greg Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: lincoln Posts: 885	barry manilow read em & weep do me a f.....g favour hi i have just got hold of a rare piece of jim steinman interview & on it it plays a video of barry manilow singing read em & weep barry where is the pasion the meaning barry you killed it it just comes to show that none of these so called stars can do a meat song . or am i expecting to much , please just leave it to meat loaf

15 Jun 2003, 14:06	#5
greg Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: lincoln Posts: 885	meat thats the the whole idea i think that part is great agree or not agree leave your say

15 Jun 2003, 03:02	#2
tukayaway Super Loafer Join Date: 12.05.2002 Location: Luton, England Posts: 485	I was given the song on 7" vinyl. Listened to it once. That was 8 years ago.

15 Jun 2003, 03:50	#3
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Actually, I think that version is not all that bad... okay, it's different, but since is different equal to bad? Musically, this version has all kind of subtle touches: where Barry sings "with just a touch of a sarcastic 'thanks'", the backing vocals do also a very sarcastic 'thanks' in the background. Matter of fact: I like this version musically even better than Meat's, although I must say that I think that Meat's vocals suit the song better.

15 Jun 2003, 13:36	#4
Rob The Badger Too sexy for this post Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 2,895	Am I the only one who thinks the Meat version gets a bit too rocky in the chorus?

16 Jun 2003, 16:27	#7
Lady B Super Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2003 Location: Colorado ~ USA Posts: 334	Actually, the version I heard first was Barry's version and it blew me away to later hear Meat's version. To be honest I like both and I'm partial to Barry Manilow. Ok, yes I love Barry Manilow! I openly admit that. Could have killed my ex for giving away all my Barry Manilow albums (and many others along with my stereo) behind my back . . . but that's another story. Lady B

16 Jun 2003, 23:20	#8
badger Super Loafer Join Date: 23.10.2002 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 511	i don't mind the Manilow version, it isn't a disgrace to the song, although I love Meat's a lot more. I am not a big fan of Barry Manilow, but I have a great deal of respect for him, and i agree the song is 'different' without being awful.

16 Jun 2003, 23:41	#9
Sapphire Lady Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.04.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,213	I've never heard Barry Manilow sing Read em and Weep, or Barbra Streisand sing Left in the Dark, or Bonnie Tyler 2 out of 3. And I can honestly say I don't want to. These are Meat Loaf songs and should stay that way. No other artist could possibly do them justice.

17 Jun 2003, 12:22	#14
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	I have knwon for many years that Manilow sings this song but i REFUSE to buy it, cause i know it is bad. Okay, Jim produced it, but hy, he makes mistakes too ( Take That, for example). Streisand with Left in the dark is great though. Nice backing vocals.

17 Jun 2003, 18:24	#16
Renegade Angel Super Loafer Join Date: 20.04.2003 Location: UK Posts: 551	Take That???? - when did Jim work with those muppets? Are you sure you don't mean Boyzone?

17 Jun 2003, 18:30	#17
Sapphire Lady Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.04.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,213	Yes, I think Bart + evil nickname must be referring to Boyzone's version of No Matter What. I don't think Jim worked with them though. They just covered his song. And it goes without saying that Meat's version is in a different league.

17 Jun 2003, 23:09	#19
Sapphire Lady Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.04.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,213	I didn't realise that Jim co-produced the Boyzone version of No Matter What. I heard that the song was promised to Meat but something happened and it was given to Boyzone instead and Meat only found out about this when it went to No 1. Don't know if there's any truth in that though.

17 Jun 2003, 23:15	#20
Asha Mega Loafer Join Date: 05.05.2003 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 1,356	Meat said so on a TV show he did for TMF (The music factory, something like MTV) I have it on tape....So I guess it must be true... Asha

17 Jun 2003, 23:20	#21
mariella Mega Loafer Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Holland Posts: 4,063	I have to 'confess' I really like Take That and Boyzone (Not even ashamed of it too! ). Now don't ask me about Robbie Williams, you probibly don't want to hear it!!! For me the Boyzone and Meats version of NMW are 2 Completly different songs! I like both, ofcourse heard it was the same song. But the emotion in both songs is SO different for me. Yes, like Meats version a lot more, doesn't mean I don't like the BZ version, 'feel' different to me. Strange isn't it, same lyrics. Think it says a lot about this voice! Great day to you, Mariella

18 Jun 2003, 03:55	#22
tbuck Super Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: USA Posts: 355	Well musical taste is just that, personal taste. Don't care much for BM or BS (hmm, that sounds strange). Just don't ask me about the Russell Watson version of INS , that was a case of torturing and murdering a song. I actually listened to the whole thing, Jules couldn't bear more than a few seconds Now I hear RW is releasing a version of BOOH...when will the MADNESS STOP! J/k, to each their own, but the above is my honest opinion. T

18 Jun 2003, 15:38	#23
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Steinman has produced one song for Take That. I forgot which song. Was it Back for Good? Who cares anyway.

18 Jun 2003, 16:53	#25
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Russel Watson recording Bat? What a great idea . Why don't we send Rolf Harris round to touch up the Mona Lisa while we're at it. Or how about having Bob the builder pop round to rebuild the Taj Mahal. Russel. Listen very carefully.I don't want to have to say this again. Meat=Rock God Russel Watson=Pillock DON'T F**K WITH ANOTHER MAN'S RELIGION.