There was an extended version of Everything is Permitted?

Wario · 10 Sep 2010, 10:54

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Evil One · 10 Sep 2010, 11:16

I've never been keen on this song. It doesn't fit well with the rest of Dead Ringer, like it was a remnant from something else and Jim had no other songs left.

Steve6 · 10 Sep 2010, 15:57

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Originally Posted by Evil One

I've never been keen on this song. It doesn't fit well with the rest of Dead Ringer, like it was a remnant from something else and Jim had no other songs left.

Couldn't disagree more I think it's a great song. A nice soft ballad in my opinion. Good vocals too.

duke knooby · 10 Sep 2010, 17:00

did the deadringer album ever have the name deadringer on the front cover???

Sarge · 10 Sep 2010, 17:21

No, only the UK picture disc had "Dead Ringer" printed on it.

Steve6 · 10 Sep 2010, 18:02

I wonder why that was though? Maybe they were unsure of the album title when the artwork was being complete.

Or maybe having Dead Ringer printed on the cover of the album would take away from the awesomeness of the picture.

Pudding · 11 Sep 2010, 00:54

I don't like this song.

Steve6 · 11 Sep 2010, 01:45

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I don't like this song.

You could probaly say it sounds nothing like a Steinman song alright.

24K · 11 Sep 2010, 01:50

I actually really like this song, although i agree with Evil One i don't think it fits into the Dead Ringer album. But i am not too fussed about that.

Evil One · 11 Sep 2010, 01:51

You can tell it is a Steinman song by the lyrics. They just aren't up to his usual standard.

24K · 11 Sep 2010, 01:53

I think they are not the best he has done, but for me they were good enough.

Evil One · 11 Sep 2010, 01:56

True. A nugget of gold is still better than a dollop of shit.

Pudding · 11 Sep 2010, 02:04

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Originally Posted by Steve6

You could probaly say it sounds nothing like a Steinman song alright.

I don't care if it sounds like a Steinman song or not, I just don't like it.

**allrevvedup** · 11 Sep 2010, 02:06

am I missing something (probably you all say) or is there no difference in this version to the original?

either way it's not one of Steinman's best and at a guess I'd say they desperately needed a last song and this was it.

Evil One · 11 Sep 2010, 02:08

Where exactly did Everything Is Permitted come from? Has anyone ever said? Is it another piece of Neverland or from something else?

Steve6 · 11 Sep 2010, 02:28

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Where exactly did Everything Is Permitted come from? Has anyone ever said? Is it another piece of Neverland or from something else?

It's one of the songs that Jim never mentions or talks about, and a song that Meat never sings live. It's goes to show you they never valued the song much.

MeatGrl1 · 11 Sep 2010, 02:31

I listened to Dead Ringer the other day, not listened to it in like forever but will admit this isn't the greatest song in the world and I certainly don't need or desire more of it

!! I think it's long enough as it is...

Pudding · 11 Sep 2010, 03:02

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Originally Posted by Steve6

It's one of the songs that Jim never mentions or talks about,

Unlike 99% of his other songs where he won't shut the f*ck up yapping about them

Wario · 11 Sep 2010, 03:05

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Originally Posted by Pudding

Unlike 99% of his other songs where he won't shut the f*ck up yapping about them

i know. Just read this great article in the Times with Jim talking about his inspiration for "It Just Won't Quit"

Steve6 · 11 Sep 2010, 04:08

One thing you have to remember though... Jim didn't produce the Dead Ringer album, and we draw our conclusions on it's sound and quality to quickly. A lot of people might not have liked Everything is Permitted, but it could have sounded completely different if Jim had a produced it. Other producers can't take his songs to a whole level like he can. I'm sure he listened to it and said I would done it different. Jim's way is the best way.

Wario · 11 Sep 2010, 04:14

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Originally Posted by Steve6

One thing you have to remember though... Jim didn't produce the Dead Ringer album, and we draw our conclusions on it's sound and quality to quickly. A lot of people might not have liked Everything is Permitted, but it could have sounded completely different if Jim had a produced it. Other producers can't take his songs to a whole level like he can. I'm sure he listened to it and said I would done it different. Jim's way is the best way.

In an interview or some source I pretty sure it said Jim arranged almost everything on the record and supplied the songs.....

It was meat's job to get the vocals down and guitars. Being as EIP had a low guitar mix, I think its safe to say its what Jim would have had in mind.

Pudding · 11 Sep 2010, 06:38

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Originally Posted by Steve6

A lot of people might not have liked Everything is Permitted, but it could have sounded completely different if Jim had a produced it.

There'd be the same lyrics and the notes would have been in the same order, no matter who produced it it would still be shit.

Wario · 11 Sep 2010, 06:55

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Originally Posted by Pudding

There'd be the same lyrics and the notes would have been in the same order, no matter who produced it it would still be shit.

its still more of a bat song then most of Bat 3. Thats a plus.

I like it.

Pudding · 11 Sep 2010, 07:01

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf

its still more of a bat song then most of Bat 3.

Like ten bells of shite it is.

Elijah's way · 11 Sep 2010, 09:13

I love this song!!

10 Sep 2010, 11:16	#2
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	I've never been keen on this song. It doesn't fit well with the rest of Dead Ringer, like it was a remnant from something else and Jim had no other songs left.

10 Sep 2010, 17:00	#4
duke knooby Mega Loafer Join Date: 24.06.2005 Location: belfast Posts: 17,882	did the deadringer album ever have the name deadringer on the front cover???

10 Sep 2010, 17:21	#5
Sarge Mega Loafer Join Date: 09.05.2008 Posts: 3,562	No, only the UK picture disc had "Dead Ringer" printed on it.

10 Sep 2010, 18:02	#6
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	I wonder why that was though? Maybe they were unsure of the album title when the artwork was being complete. Or maybe having Dead Ringer printed on the cover of the album would take away from the awesomeness of the picture.

11 Sep 2010, 00:54	#7
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	I don't like this song.

11 Sep 2010, 01:50	#9
24K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2003 Location: WAY UP NORTH Posts: 1,923	I actually really like this song, although i agree with Evil One i don't think it fits into the Dead Ringer album. But i am not too fussed about that.

11 Sep 2010, 01:51	#10
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	You can tell it is a Steinman song by the lyrics. They just aren't up to his usual standard.

11 Sep 2010, 01:53	#11
24K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2003 Location: WAY UP NORTH Posts: 1,923	I think they are not the best he has done, but for me they were good enough.

11 Sep 2010, 01:56	#12
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	True. A nugget of gold is still better than a dollop of shit.

11 Sep 2010, 02:06	#14
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	am I missing something (probably you all say) or is there no difference in this version to the original? either way it's not one of Steinman's best and at a guess I'd say they desperately needed a last song and this was it.

11 Sep 2010, 02:08	#15
Evil One Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.01.2007 Posts: 5,192	Where exactly did Everything Is Permitted come from? Has anyone ever said? Is it another piece of Neverland or from something else?

11 Sep 2010, 02:31	#17
MeatGrl1 No Day But Today Join Date: 29.05.2006 Location: Sitting on the steps outside looking so restless and reckless and lost! Posts: 9,089	I listened to Dead Ringer the other day, not listened to it in like forever but will admit this isn't the greatest song in the world and I certainly don't need or desire more of it !! I think it's long enough as it is...

11 Sep 2010, 04:08	#20
Steve6 Batman Join Date: 28.11.2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,690	One thing you have to remember though... Jim didn't produce the Dead Ringer album, and we draw our conclusions on it's sound and quality to quickly. A lot of people might not have liked Everything is Permitted, but it could have sounded completely different if Jim had a produced it. Other producers can't take his songs to a whole level like he can. I'm sure he listened to it and said I would done it different. Jim's way is the best way.

11 Sep 2010, 09:13	#25
Elijah's way Soul Auctioneer Join Date: 26.06.2005 Location: Muscle Shoals, AL Posts: 1,529	I love this song!!