New BOOH Not A Sequal, A Continuation

misterfive · 30 May 2013, 03:09

People are too hung up about Bat 1 and 2 songs that they lose appreciation for the new stuff. I like the old stuff and like going back to it, but I have to admit these songs have a bombastic nature that are invincible to modern Wagnerian approaches few as they are.

I actually think that Bat Out Of Hell as an album would benefit if Meat and Jim got together and made Bat Out Of Hell - Burned Out.

A sort of update on the original Bat Out Of Hell album and concept. Not a sequel like Back Into Hell or Monsters Loose but rather a continuation a sort of high point to die out.

I would be absolutely fascinated with a Bat Out Of Hell song that continues where the original left off.

I think that is what Bat Out Of Hell 2 and 3 did wrong on the whole idea is that they went off with no particular course but with great songs (well some with more than others).

Bat Out Of Hell - Burned Out as I see it would take a sort of what would happen if the songs from the first album were left on after they were sung. Not all songs would have a direct connection but a little continuity would actually make it a real treat on whole in my opinion.

Wario · 30 May 2013, 03:17

Bat 2 is a PERFECT album. Case closed. Its utterly perfect in every single freaking way. Its the second act of the symphony and the greatets act.

I view Bat out Of Hell as Three acts: Bat 1, Bat 2, and Hell in a Handbasket. Says it all right there.

misterfive · 30 May 2013, 03:26

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Originally Posted by Wario

Bat 2 is a PERFECT album. Case closed. Its utterly perfect in every single freaking way. Its the second act of the symphony and the greatets act.

I view Bat out Of Hell as Three acts: Bat 1, Bat 2, and Hell in a Handbasket. Says it all right there.

Funny given you views and reviews on HIAH I would've thought you'd pick a album you'd be willing to give higher than a 6.9.

Wario · 30 May 2013, 03:33

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Originally Posted by misterfive

Funny given you views and reviews on HIAH I would've thought you'd pick a album you'd be willing to give higher than a 6.9.

of the remaining Hell titles, HIAHB beats out Bat 3 by far imo

misterfive · 30 May 2013, 03:55

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Originally Posted by Wario

of the remaining Hell titles, HIAHB beats out Bat 3 by far imo

I just think cause it has Hell in the title doesn't mean it should be counted in, I know you agree cause you didn't acknowledge Monsters Loose as deserving of the title cause of it somewhat poor song choice.

I would've put Dear Ringer in there cause I think it has the same nature of a Bat album cause its all written by the same song writer. And to be honest its more emotional and out of the box than Bat 2. Since Bat 2 was just a recycle bin for Jim's songs that didn't work outside of Meat's killer vocals.

On the whole I'd say Hell 2 was just Jim being too lazy to write new songs. And the fact that the whole album lacked the power of the original brings it down. Why else didn't Meat include those songs in the last at bat tour except for one I believe (off the top of my head).

White of High · 30 May 2013, 06:08

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Originally Posted by Wario

of the remaining Hell titles, HIAHB beats out Bat 3 by far imo

Not to me. Neither the quality of the songs nor the style of the album. HIAHB in style is closer to BBIS. Something new but... aaaahhhh not what I expect to Bat album.

Adje · 30 May 2013, 08:13

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Originally Posted by misterfive

Why else didn't Meat include those songs in the last at bat tour except for one I believe (off the top of my head).

Lemon, Objects, Frying Pan and Anything for Love is actually quite a fair amount of songs from Bat 2

And not just that. Frying Pan and Objects considered to be the highlights of Act 1. So perhaps not that lazy or less powerful as you consider them...

misterfive · 30 May 2013, 08:47

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Originally Posted by Adje

Lemon, Objects, Frying Pan and Anything for Love is actually quite a fair amount of songs from Bat 2

And not just that. Frying Pan and Objects considered to be the highlights of Act 1. So perhaps not that lazy or less powerful as you consider them...

Well there is certainly a style difference between the two albums.

JennaG · 30 May 2013, 09:52

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Originally Posted by misterfive

People are too hung up about Bat 1 and 2 songs that they lose appreciation for the new stuff.

My favourite Meat Loaf album is Hell in A Handbasket and I'd imagine that I will probably compare any new albums to it in some way without even realising I'm doing it. I guess it's hard not to get 'hung up' in some way with an album that means something to you.

nikox1 · 30 May 2013, 11:41

Bat 4 is gonna be great I reckon

Meat Loaf_fan · 30 May 2013, 12:09

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Originally Posted by misterfive

I just think cause it has Hell in the title doesn't mean it should be counted in, I know you agree cause you didn't acknowledge Monsters Loose as deserving of the title cause of it somewhat poor song choice ...

Well ... I like more "Bat Out Of Hell 3 - The Monster Is Loose" than Bat 1.

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Originally Posted by nikox1

Bat 4 is gonna be great I reckon

Only if Meat will be happy with the title; if not then we shouldn't force him. You can't force people of free will.

To me "Brave And Crazy" title sounds better.

tonyloaf · 30 May 2013, 13:15

Bat 2 ,just look at the first 5 songs , wow , I don't don't believe there is another album out there as good

Jules13 · 30 May 2013, 14:11

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Originally Posted by misterfive

Since Bat 2 was just a recycle bin for Jim's songs that didn't work outside of Meat's killer vocals.

How can you mention Bat 2, Jim and recycle bin in one sentence?

This album is awesome. I love every single song on this album like the songs on BOOH 1, too.

Adje · 30 May 2013, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Jules13

How can you mention Bat 2, Jim and recycle bin in one sentence?

That's actually quite easy:

Last night I was listening to Bat out of Hell 2, with songs from Jim Steinman, while my wife was busy throwing junk in the recycle bin on our PC.

or

Bat out of Hell 2 is a Jim Steinman album that I will never throw in a recycle bin!

or

It's better to listen to Jim Steinman's Bat out of Hell 2 than it is to dress up like a recycle bin and insult the local Hells Angels

Do I need to continue?

CarylB · 30 May 2013, 14:40

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Originally Posted by misterfive

On the whole I'd say Hell 2 was just Jim being too lazy to write new songs. And the fact that the whole album lacked the power of the original brings it down. Why else didn't Meat include those songs in the last at bat tour except for one I believe (off the top of my head).

Sorry, just find this para totally bizarre, (even leaving aside the statement "too lazy" which is imo a rather discourteous way of presenting a personal, and imo flawed, assumption). AFL, Objects, Lemon, Frying Pan, R&R Dreams .. all in my view VERY powerful songs. I'd personally add Everything Louder, and Just Won't Quit .. There were 7 tracks on Bat, 11 on Bat 2. I think we got 7 powerful songs on Bat 2.

And AFL, Objects, Frying Pan and Lemon were all featured in The Last at Bat tour. One should bear in mind that Meat's first run through at rehearsals ran over 4 hours .. he was committed to the whole of BOOH for Act 2. The first act had to lead him to Act 2, and be contained within the time it could run. I think in the UK dead Ringer has to be a given in a final tour, Meat wanted to showcase his range of albums while putting together a strong set list, and to feature 3 tracks from Bat 2 in a set list of 8, plus AFL at the encore, shows just how strong the second Bat album is, and certainly contradicts your final point.

Adje has dealt more than adequately with your equally bizzare comment about a magnificent album being a "recycling bin"

AndrewG · 30 May 2013, 14:50

How someone can conclude there is lack of power on the album that contains Anything For Love I don't get. It is the most powerful song with the most varied set of dynamics I've ever come across. Lemon is probably the most intelligent written hard rock song ever. I find some conclusions and assumptions in this thread a bit strange but each to their own. I just hope Jim and Meat do whatever the hell they want and what they think will sound good on the new album and not let fans influence things.

LucyK! · 30 May 2013, 14:54

Hold the bus...the thread title, "New BOOH not a sequal..."...I didn't know we were getting a new BOOH?!

Jules13 · 30 May 2013, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Adje

I was trying to make it as ridiculous as the original sentence

It was not aimed at you

Yeah, sorry my brain is very slow today. I got it after I posted my answer.

Thanks.

Wario · 30 May 2013, 15:21

It Just Wont Quit is the greatest song ever written. Just put that on a disk by itself and its a worthy Bat Out of hell album.

CarylB · 30 May 2013, 16:01

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Originally Posted by LucyK!

Hold the bus...the thread title, "New BOOH not a sequal..."...I didn't know we were getting a new BOOH?!

Nor me. I don't think we are. We're getting Meat's new album, with at least 3 songs penned by Steinman. I'm sure Meat has said he has some other songs already.

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Originally Posted by Wario

It Just Wont Quit is the greatest song ever written. Just put that on a disk by itself and its a worthy Bat Out of hell album.

Not sure I'd say the greatest .. but I do agree it's a magnificent song. Brilliant lyrics penned by Jim, emotionally and powerfully delivered by Meat. Doesn't have to be loud all the way through to be powerful

LucyK! · 30 May 2013, 16:04

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Originally Posted by CarylB

Nor me. I don't think we are. We're getting Meat's new album, with at least 3 songs penned by Steinman...

Yep, that's what I thought I heard him say...I just wasn't aware that Meat+Jim=BOOH

Meat Loaf_fan · 30 May 2013, 16:16

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Originally Posted by misterfive

Since Bat 2 was just a recycle bin for Jim's songs that didn't work outside of Meat's killer vocals ...

Without a doubt Meat's vocals are (at least to me) best in music industry

, but ... Jim songs in Pandora's Box versions are also quite good. Even if I agree that Jim is not a good singer, I must admit that his contribution on "Bad For Good" album are very good (for example in songs : "Bad For Good" and "Dance In My Pants"

or even (if you think about Bat 2) in "Out Of The Frying Pan").

Paul Richardson · 31 May 2013, 01:09

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Originally Posted by Wario

Bat 2 is a PERFECT album. Case closed. Its utterly perfect in every single freaking way. Its the second act of the symphony and the greatets act.

I view Bat out Of Hell as Three acts: Bat 1, Bat 2, and Hell in a Handbasket. Says it all right there.

Agree with the first paragraph ... but the second ... wtf ... ? HIAH the third part of Bat ... ? Until Jim writes the sequel then there is no third act - now waiting for BOOH 4 - or at least The Last At Bat, to finish their careers ...

misterfive · 31 May 2013, 02:49

Jim and Meat together on a album wholly is deserving of a Bat Out Of Hell tag. The purpose of this thread was not to stir up... whatever this is but to have a discussion on what would Bat Out Of Hell be like if they made a continuation of it, kind of like in the James Bond universe how Quantum of Solace continued Casino Royals story.

nikox1 · 31 May 2013, 04:27

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Originally Posted by LucyK!

Hold the bus...the thread title, "New BOOH not a sequal..."...I didn't know we were getting a new BOOH?!

Yes!!!! It's bat 4,, brave and crazy is just a smoke screen.

30 May 2013, 03:09	#1
misterfive Super Loafer Join Date: 23.03.2012 Location: Canada Posts: 232	New BOOH Not A Sequal, A Continuation People are too hung up about Bat 1 and 2 songs that they lose appreciation for the new stuff. I like the old stuff and like going back to it, but I have to admit these songs have a bombastic nature that are invincible to modern Wagnerian approaches few as they are. I actually think that Bat Out Of Hell as an album would benefit if Meat and Jim got together and made Bat Out Of Hell - Burned Out. A sort of update on the original Bat Out Of Hell album and concept. Not a sequel like Back Into Hell or Monsters Loose but rather a continuation a sort of high point to die out. I would be absolutely fascinated with a Bat Out Of Hell song that continues where the original left off. I think that is what Bat Out Of Hell 2 and 3 did wrong on the whole idea is that they went off with no particular course but with great songs (well some with more than others). Bat Out Of Hell - Burned Out as I see it would take a sort of what would happen if the songs from the first album were left on after they were sung. Not all songs would have a direct connection but a little continuity would actually make it a real treat on whole in my opinion.

30 May 2013, 03:17	#2
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	Bat 2 is a PERFECT album. Case closed. Its utterly perfect in every single freaking way. Its the second act of the symphony and the greatets act. I view Bat out Of Hell as Three acts: Bat 1, Bat 2, and Hell in a Handbasket. Says it all right there.

30 May 2013, 11:41	#10
nikox1 Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.07.2007 Location: Front line of the battle Posts: 2,657	Bat 4 is gonna be great I reckon

30 May 2013, 13:15	#12
tonyloaf Metal Head Join Date: 15.05.2006 Location: Brighton Posts: 2,398	Bat 2 ,just look at the first 5 songs , wow , I don't don't believe there is another album out there as good

30 May 2013, 14:50	#16
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	How someone can conclude there is lack of power on the album that contains Anything For Love I don't get. It is the most powerful song with the most varied set of dynamics I've ever come across. Lemon is probably the most intelligent written hard rock song ever. I find some conclusions and assumptions in this thread a bit strange but each to their own. I just hope Jim and Meat do whatever the hell they want and what they think will sound good on the new album and not let fans influence things.

30 May 2013, 14:54	#17
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Hold the bus...the thread title, "New BOOH not a sequal..."...I didn't know we were getting a new BOOH?!

30 May 2013, 15:21	#19
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	It Just Wont Quit is the greatest song ever written. Just put that on a disk by itself and its a worthy Bat Out of hell album.

31 May 2013, 02:49	#24
misterfive Super Loafer Join Date: 23.03.2012 Location: Canada Posts: 232	Jim and Meat together on a album wholly is deserving of a Bat Out Of Hell tag. The purpose of this thread was not to stir up... whatever this is but to have a discussion on what would Bat Out Of Hell be like if they made a continuation of it, kind of like in the James Bond universe how Quantum of Solace continued Casino Royals story.