Kasim to spend the spring with LIARS

[Dave]

I know this is not dead on Meat Loaf, but this could possibly have an impact on the rest of the Meat Loaf Couldn't Have Said It Better LAST World Tour and any future promotion that Meat Loaf may do in regard to the album.

Kasim Sulton announced on his official website ( http://www.kasimsulton.com ) that he will once again be joining Todd Rundgren on the road as part of Todd's band for at least part of Todd's LIARS tour. Here are some unconfirmed tour dates:

04/08/04 Potawatomi Casino
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

04/22/04 Turning Stone Casino
Verona, New York

04/23/04 Count Basie Theatre
Red Bank, New Jersey

04/30/04 American Music Theater
Lancaster, Pennsylvania

05/01/04 Paramount Center For The Arts
Peekskill, New York

05/02/04 Mohegan Sun Casino
Uncasville, Connecticut

ROCK ON KASIM SULTON!!!

[SueW]

Originally Posted by David M. Driskell

I know this is not dead on Meat Loaf, but this could possibly have an impact on the rest of the Meat Loaf Couldn't Have Said It Better LAST World Tour and any future promotion that Meat Loaf may do in regard to the album.

I think this is called putting the cart before the horse!

Because Meat Loaf will not be requiring the band at that time, Kasim will be playing with Todd Rundgren during April and May (not Meat Loaf will not be doing any concerts because of Kasim playing with Todd as this reads to me).

Meat Loaf is and always remains Kasim's main source of employment and he fits in his own solo gigs and tours with other artists around his Meat Loaf commitments.

Originally Posted by David M. Driskell

ROCK ON KASIM SULTON!!!

I'll certainly agree with that comment!

SueW

[Dave]

Originally Posted by SueW

I think this is called putting the cart before the horse!
SueW

No Sue, this is not true. Just as late as last week when I last made contact with them, the venue in Columbus was under the impression that Meat Loaf was to appear there in April to make up the date someone willingly chose to cancel for a private gig. April would fit into the time frame mentioned by them. I know you are trying to be protective of Kasim's position with Meat, but I know what the venue told me during our last phone call.

ROCK ON KASIM SULTON!!!

[Winston]

look we all know if Meat says to Kasim he wants him in April or May for dates that clash with Todd, Meat will win hands down. Simple as that. I'm sure Kasim would have squared it with Meat before he went and signed himself for something as big as a tour with Todd yeah He's already cancelled a solo date in January for re-scheduled tour dates with Meat, so if by any chance a freaky buscuit situation occurs and Meat has something on in April or May Kasim will be there with him.

[Dave]

Exactly Winston. I think that SueW is being somewhat overprotective of Kasim's reputation with Meat Loaf. If you will re-read the post I made, in particular the following words...

Originally Posted by David M. Driskell

... this could possibly have an impact on the rest of the Meat Loaf Couldn't Have Said It Better LAST World Tour and any future promotion that Meat Loaf may do in regard to the album ...

I belive this statement to be entirely correct. It could very well be that Kasim doing this gig with Todd could give Meat a chance to rest for a little bit, and maybe record something or make a movie, then come back rested and reinvigorated for leg two of the tour. Who knows for sure what Meat's plans are, other than Meat Loaf himself.

All I know is that I did contact PromoWest just last week and they said they had Meat Loaf booked for a make up show in late April, which obviously Meat Loaf has no intention of doing, unless it will be on an "off day" from the Todd tour or they find suitable replacement for Kasim for that show (highly doubtfull this could happen).

With all this being said, it is most certainly safe to say that Kasim playing with Todd "COULD POSSIBLY" have an impact on Meat's plans - for good or for bad. I know there were many who were quick to jump on Meat for planning an event at the same time as a Kasim Sulton solo show. The NBA event turned out to be a very good thing. It got a very good performance out to literally millions of people.

Personally, I think that Kasim going out with Todd could be a very good thing. It is very possible that Todd could have a tour book, and in it there might be band bios, which "could possibly" make mention that Kasim is taking a short break from the MEAT LOAF COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER LAST WORLD TOUR to play with Todd, and is also featured on the new Meat Loaf CD with the same name. I know a lot of fans of Todd also like Kasim, and many of them are not really aware fully of just what Kasim is up to. This could be a way for them to see that and say, "ah, yes? Kasim is playing wiht Meat Loaf now and is on Meat's new CD? Maybe I might want to go to the show and/or buy the CD."

Also, it could be that Meat will end the tour after AU/NZ, and there will be no more Meat Loaf shows on this tour, and that Kasim playing with Todd "could possibly" have no effect at all on the situation at hand.

It is a bunch of "could possibly" that only time will reveal the results of.

I know now and am fully aware that my post could be taken many different ways. I am sorry I did not make myself clear the first time in this matter.

Please understand that I was partially posting as an embittered American fan of Meat Loaf. There is a great percentage of the American fanbase that feels as if Meat Loaf has given us up. I know this because I chat wtih a great deal of people on a regular basis. Meat Loaf really hurt us with his comments during his petty rant on this board about not playing America at this time, when we know full good and well make up dates are promised. How long are we supposed to let Meat Loaf's promotion company keep our money in their bank accounts and profit from the interest before we say something?

Further, he threw salt into our wounds when all of the UK dates were promptly made up, yet he cannot find time in his busy schedual to make up NOT ONE single date in America that he missed.

I hope you can fully understand my frustrations.

Fire Ball, I am aware you will prolly read this, and I am sorry if the words hurt you, but the fans are hurt as well and this fan will not fade silently into the night. I want you to know how much your music and your shows mean to us. I know it has been said that UK fans are Meat's most loyal fans, but there is a whole lot of love for you over on this side of the pond as well. We love you Meat and are concerned we will never again be witness to the greatest living rock and roll entertainer.

ROCK ON LOST BOYS!!!

[ladyloaf69]

so david when is the makeup date for columbus ?

[Dave]

Originally Posted by ladyloaf

so david when is the makeup date for columbus ?

I cannot say, as I am neither a spokesperson for Meat Loaf nor a middl-man for his record company. All I can say is when I called PromoWest last week, I was told it would be made up in late April, which could very well mean after Kasim finished playing with Todd. Again, who knows!

ROCK ON CONFUSED FANS!!!

P.S. Kim, I have tried to e-mail you a few times now to say a HUGE thank you for the pictures - I keep getting a message that your inbox is full and I generally avoid my PM box due to abuse people like to hurl my way where others cannot see! It really does mean the world to me to have a photo reminder of that special night.

[ladyloaf69]

thansk you ever so much . i was affraid u didn't get the pics. it was a great night and i hope when meat makes up the columbus show i will see u there . have a merry christmas

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hope u can use the pics on your website

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please pm me your email address

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[SueW]

Originally Posted by David M. Driskell

I think that SueW is being somewhat overprotective of Kasim's reputation with Meat Loaf.

Kasim's reputation with Meat Loaf doesn't need protecting in any way.

As has been previously posted in this thread, Kasim has (on more than one occassion) cancelled his own solo gigs when a Meat Loaf concert has come along later. Also, on the 1999 Todd Rundgren tour, Kasim didn't play the first show as he played a show with Meat Loaf instead (I think it was the R'n'R For A Cure Show).

I think you will find that what happened is that Kasim will have checked first with Meat Loaf about whether they will be playing any concerts during the duration of the Todd tour. Only when he had been told that they weren't, would Kasim have told Todd that he was available.

I honestly don't believe that Meat Loaf has decided not to play concerts or do any promo work because Kasim isn't available.....although I would love to believe that Kasim is that indispensable to Meat Loaf, realistically I don't think he is.

Originally there were rumours that the second US leg of the tour would run from April until November but that was before Meat Loaf became ill. The Australia and New Zealand leg of the tour was already booked but, other than this Columbus show, I can't recall any US concerts having definite dates booked. In the article in The Observor on Sunday, Meat Loaf said that he had been working almost non-stop for over a year so possibly that is why he's decided to take a couple of months off ....which then frees up Kasim to play with Todd.

Todd's tours are considerably more low-key nowadays than Meat Loaf tours and they don't have things like tour programmes.

SueW

[Dave]

Originally Posted by SueW

Todd's tours are considerably more low-key nowadays than Meat Loaf tours and they don't have things like tour programmes.

How much more low key can you get than what Meat did in America this summer/fall? You were right, petty much we got a Just Couldn't Have Had More Fun Myself LAST World Tour.

ROCK ON FIRE BALL!!!

[ChoccyBat]

Perhaps the fact that in his American shows half the audience ~~~~~~ed off after Cyndi Lauper, and only being half full anyway meant he really didn't see the need. Over here he is selling out massive venues, so probably feels an obligation to reschedule.

And then of course you could go back to the 80s, where if it wasn't for the UK Meat Loaf the singer wouldn't have survived. But that would be petty.

[Winston]

and prehaps he toured on an album that wasn't even released in the states at the time contributed to the fact that there were alot of fans at the US gigs that hadn't a clue what he was singing it's no fun being at a concert when the artist is singing stuff that isn't even released

[ChoccyBat]

Fair point.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by ChoccyBat

Perhaps the fact that in his American shows half the audience [...] off after Cyndi Lauper, and only being half full anyway meant he really didn't see the need.

Well, it would help if you quoted the facts. At the time Cyndi hit the stage, every Cyndi/Meat show was sold out. Further, at every show Cyndi Lauper played with Meat Loaf her fans were allowed to purchase premium tickets up to two months prior to tickets going on sale to the general public. And I might add as well that Cyndi (like a lot of artists) craves to be among her fans. She has approxamately 200 to 300 people at her meet and greets. She wants to get out there and meet everyone who has been there for her. During this tour, the Cyndi meet and greets were held during the first part of Meat's set - after Cyndi left the stage. I am sorry, but I could not imagine going back and watching another band play after meeting my hero. I would say I would most likely be buzzing so much I could barely think straight at that point. I know that most of them simply went home. Also, are you aware that most of Cyndi's fans that did not get meet and greets left as well. They were basically not interested in seeing Meat Loaf at all. If Meat were to have arranged ticketing like Cyndi, maybe the crowds might have been better.

And about him not seeing the need to make up dates because they are only half sold. Let it be known that ChoccyBat is even saying that Meat is in it for the money. If Meat cared about that part of his fan base, he would do the good and the right thing by making up the dates, juat as he did over there - regardless of the ticket sales. The point is, on the outside, Meat Loaf is giving the appearance of giving america the big P I S S O F F !!!!

Originally Posted by ChoccyBat

And then of course you could go back to the 80s, where if it wasn't for the UK Meat Loaf the singer wouldn't have survived. But that would be petty.

Yes, petty and totally unfounded! That is simply a low blow. During that time, just as now, Meat chose to blow off America by not even releasing albums here. His failure in America during the 1980's lies entirely on his actions (or the actions he allowed his management to be engaged in).

Meat is not without fault in his "failure" in the America market. If he would do half of what he does in the UK over here in America, I am sure you would see a world of difference. It would seem to the casual Meat Loaf fan that he has basically given up on Couldn't Have Said It Better (at least in America). That is Meat Loaf's problem if he wants to ditch a perfectly good project.

ROCK ON DO IT!!!

[ladyloaf69]

i agree david. meats cd couldn't of said it better would of done better if there were more promo . he toured in the u.s before the cd was ever out in the stores. some of us lucky ones bought it early and was able to get it. maybe he should of done the europe tour first since the cd was out there then come back to the us for the u.s release date and promote it here . the opportunity was missed. hopefully he will makeup the dates from his missed shows here in the u.s and maybe bring the cd back up into the charts here in the u.s but for whatever the reason he must know what he is doing . as long as he continues to rock his true fans will be there to listen

[R.]

There's a lot of speculation in this thread.
Announcement status removed.

[The Flying Mouse]

Don't quite understand how this turned from a thread about Kasim playing with Todd to a what went wrong with CHSIB thread,but what the hell

David raised the very valid point of why the band played songs from the new album before the album was released.
I think there are two main reasons that the new songs were played.

1. The band line up had just undergone drastic changes.I think it's reasonable to assume that there was just not enough time to teach the new members a large selection from Meat's back catolouge.The new songs needed to be performed later in the tour (that was the point of the tour ) so they were put into the set list from the start.

2.Even Meat and the "veterans" needed to try the new material.I've said it before and i'll say it again (i've nothing better to do ), you can rehearse something for a year and you never know how things will turn out until you get in front of an audience and just do it.

Saying this, there is no reason (that I know of) why the album couldn't have been released earlier, or the tour couldn't have started later.I'm not privvy to the record companies schedules so I can't comment, but I would be interested to know the reason why.
I remeber saying on the forums (long before CHSIB was released here) that I hoped that the album would be released before the tour so I could have the chance to appreciate what I was listening too.

I don't like the way the shows with Cyndi went down at all .
It was always a weird combination from the start .I'm not what could be described as a Cyndi fan (I can name, what, three of her songs), and will admit that the prospect of seeing her perform would not give me any sleepless nights of anticipation.But I would still watch her set at a Meat gig.If she can be bothered to turn up I can at least have the decency to see what she's gonna do.Not to mention that you've paid for the ticket .But I was very suprised to read here that Cyndi had meet & greets of 200+ people during the begining of Meat's set.WTF.Sorry, but dragging over two hundred people out of the audience when someone is going on is either sheer lack of thought, or downright bad manners .
IT'S JUST NOT DONE.

But again, this is all just speculation.Unless a record company exec comes here and explains it to us we'll never know the answers.

Atbthe end of the day, I would never presume to tell Meat how to do his job.He's been doing it a lot longer, a lot better and a lot more successful than I have , but it would be interesting to hear the inside story on this.

[The Flying Mouse]

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Sorry for the double post.

[BostonCPA]

. I want you to know how much your music and your shows mean to us. I know it has been said that UK fans are Meat's most loyal fans, but there is a whole lot of love for you over on this side of the pond as well. We love you Meat and are concerned we will never again be witness to the greatest living rock and roll entertainer.

Very well said!! I hoping they will return because our performance in Boston was only 1 1/2 hours. I missed several shows because I travel all the time and really would like another chance to see Meat.

Love Ya Meat and Co. Most, BostonCPA

[Vickip]

Time for me to put in my 2 cents I guess ...

First of all, I can't comment on what should or shouldn't have happened during the 80's ... that was before my time (as a Meat fan that is).

David, I live in the United States, and would never think for one second that Meat has turned his back on us. On the contrary ... I think he's been doing the best job he can, given the circumstances. It's all about timing .... yes it's a shame that they didn't have more time to promote CHSIB when it first came out last September. But you need to ask yourself ... what was Meat supposed to do Cancel all of the shows during the first leg of the tour, or even his appearances in Australia, and then the first leg of the European tour It's a fantastic CD, and I truly wish it could have been more successful in the US market .... but there are other markets that Meat also has to worry about.

I don't have a jealous bone in my body ... by that I mean I'm genuinely thrilled for everyone in the Europe, Australia and New Zealand who will now get the chance to see Meat. I'm very happy that he has been able to reschedule all of the UK shows so quickly .... because it means that he's ok. He gave us all a scare for a couple of weeks, and I can't imagine what it would be like without him or his music right now. Yes, I hope he does come back to the US and complete the 2nd leg of the tour in the US ... I would give anything to be able to share the emotion of DIST and Forever Young just once. But if that means waiting until September, and hopefully seeing him in AC, that's fine. If not, maybe I'll make a trip to Europe in the summer .. who knows. Just have to wait and see what happens I guess. I saw two amazing shows this September, and nothing will ever take those memories away from me.

Like SueW, I didn't realize that he was supposed to be in Columbus in April. Maybe he'll still do the show .... maybe not ... when every thing is said and done, Meat has to do what's best for him. He's been through a lot this year, and quite frankly I think he deserves a break.

Finally, there's just one thing that confuses me about this entire thread .. why is that the person that's doing the most complaining now was someone who already told us about the great concerts he got to see this past September What about the people such as Sherrie, tink, MB (who had a couple of shows cancelled) or people in the UK who still may not get the chance to see him during this tour ... you don't see them complaining. Those are the people I feel bad for .... noone else. Just something to think about ....

Vicki

[sherrie87]

David said:

And about him not seeing the need to make up dates because they are only half sold. Let it be known that ChoccyBat is even saying that Meat is in it for the money. If Meat cared about that part of his fan base, he would do the good and the right thing by making up the dates, juat as he did over there - regardless of the ticket sales. The point is, on the outside, Meat Loaf is giving the appearance of giving america the big P I S S O F F !!!!

Just my opinion, but I really don't think that Meat cares for his American fan base any less than his UK fans. (I most assuredly don't think he's given us the blow off.) I believe the UK concerts were rescheduled so immediately because Meat is "in country" and has a limited window of opportunity to remake the dates before he goes back to the states for a bit, then Down Under. It simply makes sense to quickly reschedule the dates for the time when he will still be in the UK. As for the US dates, Meat is in the US most of the year (barring globe skipping world tours), and there is a much larger window of opportunity for reschedules. Of course, I would be ecstatic if Meat did schedule a final leg of the tour in the US- you'd probably hear me crowing about it from miles away, it would absolutely make my year- but if for some reason Meat feels he needs a break instead, I won't get all bitter about it. I think that Meat has shown that he gives all he can to his fans, whether they live in America or the UK.

Sherrie

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by sherrie87

Just my opinion, but I really don't think that Meat cares for his American fan base any less than his UK fans. (I most assuredly don't think he's given us the blow off.) I believe the UK concerts were rescheduled so immediately because Meat is "in country" and has a limited window of opportunity to remake the dates before he goes back to the states for a bit, then Down Under. It simply makes sense to quickly reschedule the dates for the time when he will still be in the UK. As for the US dates, Meat is in the US most of the year (barring globe skipping world tours), and there is a much larger window of opportunity for reschedules. Of course, I would be ecstatic if Meat did schedule a final leg of the tour in the US- you'd probably hear me crowing about it from miles away, it would absolutely make my year- but if for some reason Meat feels he needs a break instead, I won't get all bitter about it. I think that Meat has shown that he gives all he can to his fans, whether they live in America or the UK.

Sherrie

Thank you Sherrie .. I absolutely agree.
Vicki

[SueW]

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Saying this, there is no reason (that I know of) why the album couldn't have been released earlier, or the tour couldn't have started later.

I posted about this on another thread somewhere but I understood that CHSIB was supposed to have been released in US before the tour but Meat Loaf switched record companies (twice I believe) so that was why it was released at the end of the tour.

Originally Posted by Vickip

Like SueW, I didn't realize that he was supposed to be in Columbus in April.

I did know that! My post says that I understood they were supposed to have played in US from April until November and I knew that PromoWest were saying April for their date.

As I've posted all along, I think that the way Columbus has been treated was dreadful.....fans who bought their concert tickets back in May for a concert in September were told less than a week before the concert that it was postponed until the Spring and the reason was that Meat Loaf was playing a promo concert in Cleveland that evening (a gig that was only booked a few weeks before). They had previously played a proper concert in Cleveland the week before too. Regardless of how much publicity that promo concert generated (and I don't recall of hearing of any), I think that to cancel a concert without a valid reason is not good.

SueW

[Winston]

well i'm delighted that kasim and todd are touring again

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Winston

well i'm delighted that kasim and todd are touring again

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