Meat's 2015 plans?

[Breeze]

Teenager in Love

".... my dreams are highly flammable..."



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYQxzgRkFUs

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Breeze

I don't "get" why some are asking for a mod to step in.

If you're referring to my request earlier in the thread: I asked for the thread to be split as it'd gone off topic, and I could see it being locked in the near future if things continued in the way in which they were going. A separate thread would've enabled the discussion to continue.

[Paul Richardson]

Originally Posted by MarkS

The point is that it is not a fair comparison who knows what HCTB and HIAHB will have sold in 20 years from now. Could be a completely different landscape, but with the short lifespan the 2 albums have had, you simply can't put them toe to toe with a 35+ year old album like Bat

You can't compare them because some of the albums you mention are very good, but one is a work of genius. How's that for positive discrimination ?

I doubt whether HCTB or HIAH will be much more successful in the future than they have already been. For me they lack the timeless quality of most of Jim's work.

Also, regardless of whether this argument is off topic or not, at least its created interest and generated posts, this site has been deadly the past few weeks ... my opinion.

[TheDoode]

It amazes me how some people have 'disliked' a post I made calling for a thread split - then disliked the post where I explained why - when said thread split was only requested out of an attempt to keep everybody happy by splitting the discussion so that those who want to discuss can discuss, and those who don't have a clean thread to continue talk/praise on Meat's 2015 plans

[CarylB]

As one of the two "some people":

The moderator decision when you first asked for the thread to be split was that discussion about the album was part of Meat's 2015 plans. I fully accept that decision.

Those who want to express why they would prefer all the songs to be Steinman penned, and those who like those penned by other composers have had ample opportunity to do this and have done so. Each side of the argument are equally committed. No fresh views are emerging, just more entrenched repetition or startled/amazed reactions imo. It would seem that others do not wish to pursue this, may even wish it to stop.

The moderators have asked for those who have been involved in this debate to stop. I am sure Rainer has made it clear in the past that challenging moderator decisions should be done via PM and not on the board. I fully accept that request and that ruling.

[TheDoode]

That's interesting. When I originally called for a thread split the conversation hadn't, at that point, reached its conclusion and the debate was still going on. I've since said that the discussion seems to be over - as Meat confirmed his position on Jim Steinman as someone invaluable to his career and not 'just another writer' - and I then suggested we should move on.

I don't think many here have said that they want all the material to be 'Steinman penned'. Some may have, but it's not the general consensus from what I can gather. If you recall, that's not what this discussion was about. It was about the air of passive negativity some (half) expressed about the inclusion of Jim Steinman's songs on this forthcoming album. I still don't understand why it has to be 'The Other Writers' VS Jim? That definitely wasn't my position.

I did PM Andy, but he said it would be too much of a hassle to split it given the work involved. So I said fair enough and we went about our business. My post above wasn't questioning a moderator decision, but those who have reacted negatively to my reasons why.

But I do wonder why you seem so adamant for discussions to end, even given a dedicated thread... it's just ... weird, given that this is a discussion forum. Anyway, I'm answering you here, in this thread, as you have ignored all previous PMs that I have sent you, including the one explaining the above in what I thought was a very polite and friendly way.

So let's try and move this one on again, and if you have any comments or want to make a response to me about any of this - feel free to PM me, and hopefully that's an end and we can get the thread back on track

I wish we could all just get on without having to resort to threats of locked threads and silencing people.

[CarylB]

I'm not "adamant" .. simply agree with Andy, and responded to your amazement at my disagreeing with your post. (I hadn't read your PM when I replied, but since you raise the matter publicly here of my failure to reply, I will explain, as simply and courteously as I can. My choice is to not enter into any correspondence with you that is not on public view, which is why I did not reply to a previous one.)

I have seen no "threats of locked threads and silencing people." .. simply a request to move on from a discussion going round in circles, and one which I sense many are tired of seeing.

[JaysScout]

The Doode abides! :)

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by CarylB

... simply a request to move on from a discussion going round in circles, and one which I sense many are tired of seeing.

Yes, I'm tired of seeing it.

I've already requested that you PM me. If you don't wish to do that then it is you who is continuing this discussion by forcing it to take place here. I could choose not to reply, but you seem to think that I have some cause to be 'in the wrong' here, which I really don't

EDIT: It's only fair to warn you that I've had to now report your last post for propagating the argument and refusing to discuss this matter privately, as requested by the mods. I'm pretty sure we're going to be heading for thread locking/cleaning in the immediate future.

This could've been avoided.

[nikox1]

I agree, lets stay on topic. We have a great new album to look forward to. Mind u I understand some people's annoyance on here, with people who hide there cheap shots with fancy words.

[TheDoode]

I wonder if Meat's going to go all out fantasy with this album, or whether we're going to get a more grounded, personal collection of songs? Either way, I'm really looking forward to what comes out, and at the same time hoping it won't *really* be the last one...

[renegadeangel]

I think its going to be more bombastic wall of sound and definitely over the top.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

I think its going to be more bombastic wall of sound and definitely over the top.

I'm hoping for some beautiful ballads too .. but Paul, referring to what he and Meat had been working on last October, promised some huge, "blow your mind" rock .. so I think you will definitely get your wish

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

I think its going to be more bombastic wall of sound and definitely over the top.

In a Peace on Earth way, or an AFL kind of way? I guess you could argue that both songs deliver that wall of sound feel, though they're completely different in vibe and subject matter. Middle of the road between the two would definitely be PFL, for me

[nikox1]

Lets hope it's a bit of that old magic!!!

[Breeze]

my comment about "why mods?" was only related to our wishing and dreaming about what the new album will be like. I was not referring to anything else. I too hope for some ballads, they are my favorite. ( but I wouldn't mind one all out rocker). This album sounds like reality now and it is just exciting to hear what others are hoping for.
remember the old song, I think Dusty Springfield sang" wishing and hoping"
All I am reading is some want Steinman all the way and some don't care. Not sure how that makes a controversy ... but for my part, I can go either way.

[renegadeangel]

Originally Posted by CarylB

I'm hoping for some beautiful ballads too .. but Paul, referring to what he and Meat had been working on last October, promised some huge, "blow your mind" rock .. so I think you will definitely get your wish

I really think we can count on that. If you get the chance check out the SIXX AM song SKIN and imagine Meat singing that. James Michael wrote it.

[nikox1]

Stunning song indeed

[Evil Ernie]

Wow. Message board politics.

Retardery at it's finest.

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Wow. Message board politics.

Retardery at it's finest.

On the contrary, I find it endlessly fascinating.

[tonyloaf]

end of the day.... its gona rock!!!

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

On the contrary, I find it endlessly fascinating.

I'm pretty sure that is the view of everyone lurking and posting even if they can't admit that here. Else why bother coming back here.

[Evil One]

Endlessly fascinating to observe retardery at its finest.

[nikox1]

Indeed, plus the cowardly keyboard warriors

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by renegadeangel

I really think we can count on that. If you get the chance check out the SIXX AM song SKIN and imagine Meat singing that. James Michael wrote it.

Always thought Nikki Sixx & James Michael should have done a full album for Meat or perhaps contribute along side Paul Jacobs & Sarah Durkee. I think those sets of writers have provided my favourite non Jim Meat Loaf songs.

Remember hearing a snippet of DIST back in 2002 and got quite excited. The title track CHSIB I think is a superb song I wish Meat had done a bit longer live on the tours. I'd much rather hear it than say Pigs or Break It.