Debate - Page 13

Adje · 06 Nov 2012, 23:43

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Originally Posted by R.

Who decides what's rude or not? You or the person you are talking/writing to?

Off Topic:

How's Ajax doing?

I think it's about common sense. But I guess it's always in the eyes of the beholder.

But even then I don't think the first post on this topic -and what is stated- justifies it

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gave away a 2 goal lead but were lucky to keep it a draw. Made me very happy. Not suspected they would win a point

Kathy · 06 Nov 2012, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Adje

Btw what's wrong if you find that Meat's voice was fairly good? or if he Struggled. Or even if it's far from perfect? He's human and we should be able to point it out. Half of your list are observations from fans. Sorry if in your world Meat never missed a note. But in the real World we think differently and we like to share that with other Meat Loaf fans who saw, hear and can comment on it.

In the real world, the fact that Meat is human does not need to be pointed out. The fact that it has been "pointed out" here, over and over for the past nine years, has sensitized ME to such a degree I often dread coming here. I can hardly imagine how I'd feel if all these so-very-kindly "shared" posts were about me.

BostonAngel · 06 Nov 2012, 23:56

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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

If someone tells 97% of a club or group I'm part of to go to hell, I'm not going to act like I couldn't care less, regardless of whether I feel like I'm personally counted amongst that number.

EXACTLY! even if you don't feel as if you were part of the 97%, a friend or someone you know would be included, so you would still care. At least I hope my friends would care.

**The Flying Mouse** · 06 Nov 2012, 23:57

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Originally Posted by Kathy

In the real world, the fact that Meat is human does not need to be pointed out. The fact that it has been "pointed out" here, over and over for the past nine years, has sensitized ME to such a degree I often dread coming here. I can hardly imagine how I'd feel if all these so-very-kindly "shared" posts were about me.

It's equally pointed out by members as an excuse for when he takes off, like in the post at the start of the thread.

i.e. You can't blame him for taking things personally and fighting back, he's only human.

TheDoode · 06 Nov 2012, 23:57

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Originally Posted by Kathy

In the real world, the fact that Meat is human does not need to be pointed out. The fact that it has been "pointed out" here, over and over for the past nine years, has sensitized ME to such a degree I often dread coming here. I can hardly imagine how I'd feel if all these so-very-kindly "shared" posts were about me.

The answer's a simple one: make this not a discussion forum. In its current form it should be fair for any member to discuss or comment on any aspect of Meat Loaf's public appearances and/or artistic output, as long as those comments are not intentionally rude or inflammatory. Otherwise, it's just a section of enthusiastic users telling the other users what they can and can't post. Which feels as oppressive as passive bullying.

Kathy · 06 Nov 2012, 23:58

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Originally Posted by lorenzoduke

If someone tells 97% of a club or group I'm part of to go to hell, I'm not going to act like I couldn't care less, regardless of whether I feel like I'm personally counted amongst that number.

I react to life and others as an individual. I am never going to take offense on any but a personal level. My interpretation of Meat's post is that he himself felt personally offended by some here, and was addressing those people only.

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carole · 07 Nov 2012, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Vickip

I second that

Ha ha, oh look, you found two thumbs up!!!!

Carole

Wario · 07 Nov 2012, 00:28

maybe this is all a publicity stunt to promote the record and get us excited voer the title "brave and crazy"

Kathy · 07 Nov 2012, 00:36

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Originally Posted by TheDoode

The answer's a simple one: make this not a discussion forum. In its current form it should be fair for any member to discuss or comment on any aspect of Meat Loaf's public appearances and/or artistic output, as long as those comments are not intentionally rude or inflammatory. Otherwise, it's just a section of enthusiastic users telling the other users what they can and can't post. Which feels as oppressive as passive bullying.

Your simple answer would work well if Meat were not on this forum. But he is, and he has been hurt, for the umpteenth time, by comments about his voice. Maybe this concerns you less than the feeling of "oppression" you have at not being able to say whatever you like. If so, you are among those I mentioned earlier, who don't care about him as a person; otherwise you would not want to see him hurt. And you would not view efforts to encourage honest but non-hurtful posts as "bullying."

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ricgough · 07 Nov 2012, 00:37

Or maybe he was genuinely mad at how phenomenally good we thought he was vocally from '87-94 ?

Paul Richardson · 07 Nov 2012, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Kathy

I didn't read the "voice thread." I saw it start, and thought "ohhhh jeez."

... and now you can't read it because it was deleted for no good reason ... but how can you criticise what you didn't see ?

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Originally Posted by Kathy

I very frankly don't believe there is any such thing as "constructive criticism" of Meat's voice, unless your name happens to be Eric Vetro.

Why, does no one but Eric Vetro have ears ? I could equally say your (no doubt) positive opinion of Meat's voice is invalid because you're not professionally qualified.

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Originally Posted by Kathy

Meat is a nice guy; many of you know that. He doesn't become angry without reason.

To be honest I'm beginning to doubt that Meat is a nice guy ...

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Originally Posted by Kathy

I felt terrible when I read his first post, but at no point did I feel his anger was directed at me, so I took no offense.

Why - 97% includes almost everyone - why are you able to take the moral high ground ?

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Originally Posted by Kathy

Instead of taking offense where none was intended, those of us who do care about Meat as a person (as well as an artist) will continue to support him.

So what exactly does Meat have to do to cause offense ? It appeared somewhat offensive to me ... how can you say no offense was intended when everyone was told to go to hell ?

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Originally Posted by Kathy

Those who don't care about Meat, or who feel no loyalty toward him, might question why they are here.

Who here doesn't care about Meat ? Its nonsense. Are you going to name names then ?

Kathy · 07 Nov 2012, 00:41

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Originally Posted by Wario

maybe this is all a publicity stunt to promote the record and get us excited voer the title "brave and crazy"

LOL ...he sure is, though! (brave and crazy)

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DJLeen · 07 Nov 2012, 00:42

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Originally Posted by Fire Ball

I agree most don't deserve it , but I had to start the fight to find the real enemies. When it ends the real fans will still be here and I will do something special for them . Was thinking when I came on that was going to invite all here to a dress Rehearsal in April. I would say 97% will be invited.
Meat

I'll be there in the end !! You're just too awesome, you are such an amazing and wonderful person I could never give up on you !!

I Can't find the right words to say to you what you mean to me and how I feel about you, the above sums it right up that's the best I can do to say this...You're beautiful Meat !!

'' You know I'm gonna stick with ya when the hard times hit'' !!!!

Marleen X

ricgough · 07 Nov 2012, 00:51

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Originally Posted by DJLeen

I'll be there in the end !! You're just too awesome, you are such an amazing and wonderful person I could never give up on you !!

I Can't find the right words to say to you what you mean to me and how I feel about you, the above sums it right up that's the best I can do to say this...You're beautiful Meat !!

'' You know I'm gonna stick with ya when the hard times hit'' !!!!

Marleen X

Everybody here cares about Meat and have stuck with him through thick and thin. Some of us for many dacades too. Some of us however refrain from making statements as if we know him personally when we only ever really get a snapshot at his professional and artistic life.

Soem of us also have opinions that we like some of his output more or less.

The very fact we buy it and continue to do do so; that we still go to shows and enjoy them should suggest that we are not being necessarily critical of the stuff we like less, just that we are more enamoured with the stuff we like more - and that extends to vocal performances too.

Some people here are so "black and white"....

melon · 07 Nov 2012, 00:57

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Originally Posted by Wario

maybe this is all a publicity stunt to promote the record and get us excited voer the title "brave and crazy"

A publicity stunt for a 1% of his fan base? Sure...

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praise the loaf · 07 Nov 2012, 02:54

Meat, you're absolutely right!

I'm only reading through stuff here but today I have to post my opinion.
Most of the people here just write bullshit. When you see all this bullshit, for me it was only a matter of time until Meat reacts to it.

It's all about winding Meat up, he deserves better.
Let him be and listen to Madonna instead!

ps:
I don't care what you think about what I've said, 'cause most of you have no clue what they are talking about. Inform yourself about policy you wanna talk about or simply keep yourself quiet. thank you

SW31 · 07 Nov 2012, 03:08

well well been away for a few days & come back to this took me a while to read posts have not seen other thread & not seen facebook entries & i am not remotely intrested as its meats personal choice & his own opinion .like we all have on here now & in the past ref meats voice so he gave as good as he gets no problem with that i'll take it as constructive criticism like we all give to him it amazes me how many people took offence meat is person not just a celebrity(oops)rock ledgend lets all just move on & look forward to a new album & a uk tour
dont do politics on here i'm here for the music & friends that enjoy it with me

Cole · 07 Nov 2012, 03:08

someone please start a happy thread...hey how bout..what songs do we think he will sing on the Christmas album???:)

Sue K · 07 Nov 2012, 04:00

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Originally Posted by Cole

someone please start a happy thread...hey how bout..what songs do we think he will sing on the Christmas album???:)

How the hell can someone dislike the suggestion of a happy thread ???... Good Loaf !!!

Sarge · 07 Nov 2012, 04:07

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

But I thought that Meat was far too harsh in his distain of this forum and the people who post here.

Everybody has the right to react and object to statements they regard as unfair or hurtful. The problem is that Meat Loaf usually does it in a very disproportionate way. Unfortunately he does not discuss but lashes out most of the time. I guess that hardly anyone would have an issue with him disagreeing or being upset with something if he expressed his views in a more adequate and less aggressive way.

Vickip · 07 Nov 2012, 04:50

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Originally Posted by Sue K

How the hell can someone dislike the suggestion of a happy thread ???... Good Loaf !!!

I was wondering exactly the same thing

Evil Ernie · 07 Nov 2012, 06:32

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Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse

It's equally pointed out by members as an excuse for when he takes off, like in the post at the start of the thread.

i.e. You can't blame him for taking things personally and fighting back, he's only human.

How about this:

Try to be better than the typical human.

Usually those are the ones that end up being revered.

Btw, seeing as Mitt Romney lost the election I wonder if it was all worth it for ML in the end. Too bad he couldn't have backed a candidate that had a chance of winning. Frankly, Romney was the best of a really bad (and batshit crazy) group of candidates.

anotherday · 07 Nov 2012, 06:47

I think WE can put the debate TO BED.

Obama won.

**The Flying Mouse** · 07 Nov 2012, 07:02

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Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Btw, seeing as Mitt Romney lost the election I wonder if it was all worth it for ML in the end.

A little off the topic here (so I can see me deleting my own post if needs be

), but I don't think you can meassure if it was worth it to Meat based on Romney's success (well, failure).
Standing up for what one believes is it's own reward, and Meat did that.

As for political preferences, see off topic

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Originally Posted by anotherday

I think WE can put the debate TO BED.

Obama won.

But the thread is not about who wins the election, it's about Meat's post here

Wario · 07 Nov 2012, 08:46

wish romney won. makes everything that has transpired here seem pointless and uneeded. Good fans for lost cause of this ordeal and it didnt need to happen. Mosntro, allrevved up, bostonangel

whatever happened to pudding?

07 Nov 2012, 00:28	#308
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	maybe this is all a publicity stunt to promote the record and get us excited voer the title "brave and crazy"

07 Nov 2012, 00:37	#310
ricgough Senior Loafer Join Date: 07.05.2007 Posts: 155	Or maybe he was genuinely mad at how phenomenally good we thought he was vocally from '87-94 ?

07 Nov 2012, 02:54	#316
praise the loaf Rookie Join Date: 23.08.2010 Location: leipzig - germany Posts: 2	Meat, you're absolutely right! I'm only reading through stuff here but today I have to post my opinion. Most of the people here just write bullshit. When you see all this bullshit, for me it was only a matter of time until Meat reacts to it. It's all about winding Meat up, he deserves better. Let him be and listen to Madonna instead! ps: I don't care what you think about what I've said, 'cause most of you have no clue what they are talking about. Inform yourself about policy you wanna talk about or simply keep yourself quiet. thank you

07 Nov 2012, 03:08	#317
SW31 in my coup de vil waiting for pardise by the dashboard light Join Date: 24.11.2003 Location: middlesbrough smoggy rules Posts: 8,137	well well been away for a few days & come back to this took me a while to read posts have not seen other thread & not seen facebook entries & i am not remotely intrested as its meats personal choice & his own opinion .like we all have on here now & in the past ref meats voice so he gave as good as he gets no problem with that i'll take it as constructive criticism like we all give to him it amazes me how many people took offence meat is person not just a celebrity(oops)rock ledgend lets all just move on & look forward to a new album & a uk tour dont do politics on here i'm here for the music & friends that enjoy it with me

07 Nov 2012, 03:08	#318
Cole Loafer Join Date: 21.10.2011 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 64	someone please start a happy thread...hey how bout..what songs do we think he will sing on the Christmas album???:)

07 Nov 2012, 06:47	#323
anotherday Super Loafer Join Date: 12.10.2012 Posts: 801	I think WE can put the debate TO BED. Obama won.

07 Nov 2012, 08:46	#325
Wario Monstro helps me spell things... Join Date: 05.01.2007 Location: Masculine, Pennsylvania Posts: 9,105	wish romney won. makes everything that has transpired here seem pointless and uneeded. Good fans for lost cause of this ordeal and it didnt need to happen. Mosntro, allrevved up, bostonangel whatever happened to pudding?