Trade site - Page 2

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2007, 21:35

That's the point though - unless you recorded it it's not yours to pass on

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 21:38

Well:

Meat Loaf Unofficial closed as I have not got time to update it etc.. and thenakedwire and here do a great job at it.
MeatLoaf Bootlegs closed now as I have learn't that people take time to upload stuff and then its traded for other concerts, when it shouldn't be.... and now I see no point in doing it! Therefore what I have now won't be traded unless I get told I can do....

Those are the only 2 sites I have closed!

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 21:43

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

Now I have learnt is: All I get is now kept with me and only me unless other wise stated!

Oh I dunno, there's a good few bits on there I don't have. feel free to share them freely with us all, after all you got them with the stuff you downloaded from us in the first place

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 21:47

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

Well:

Meat Loaf Unofficial closed as I have not got time to update it etc.. and thenakedwire and here do a great job at it.
MeatLoaf Bootlegs closed now as I have learn't that people take time to upload stuff and then its traded for other concerts, when it shouldn't be.... and now I see no point in doing it! Therefore what I have now won't be traded unless I get told I can do....

Those are the only 2 sites I have closed!

why does it always take something like this to make you realise though?

It wasn't only my stuff I saw on there, there was also a lot of Jules, Evas and Tamaras. Not only traded by you granted, but i'm sure those that had Evas or Tamaras stuff were also asked not to share. As far as I could see the only person on that site that was sharing fairly the rest had gotten from others and were just using the stuff to improve their own collections.

meatloaf-unofficial · 24 Sep 2007, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Deb

Oh I dunno, there's a good few bits on there I don't have. feel free to share them freely with us all, after all you got them with the stuff you downloaded from us in the first place

Sure you name it and I will upload over time.... and share for free.... How about it? Let me know!

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2007, 21:52

I really think it boils down to common sense and politeness. Neither of which I think are very difficult!

In "real life" you wouldn't walk into someone's house, take their things and pass them on, for money or not, so why is the internet different?

A daft example, when Deb posted her RAH pics on her site there were a few I wanted that included me, some at the hotel and one of me with Kasim, but despite the fact that I'm in them, and those photos only went as far as my printer and into a photo album I still asked if it was ok to use them, because at the end of the day they're not mine! It's really not hard...

mszee · 24 Sep 2007, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

I really think it boils down to common sense and politeness. Neither of which I think are very difficult!

In "real life" you wouldn't walk into someone's house, take their things and pass them on, for money or not, so why is the internet different?

A daft example, when Deb posted her RAH pics on her site there were a few I wanted that included me, some at the hotel and one of me with Kasim, but despite the fact that I'm in them, and those photos only went as far as my printer and into a photo album I still asked if it was ok to use them, because at the end of the day they're not mine! It's really not hard...

Same here...my camera died right at the beginning at Wembley. I've asked people who posted pics with me if I can take them. Whatever I took is sitting in my documents for my own personal use with the permission of the owner. I don't ever remember the time when I was declined a permission to take a picture, especially my own...so I don't see why it is so difficult to ask.

24K · 24 Sep 2007, 21:59

Well obviously you don't know yourself,cos you tried to sell me something.I do not like getting involved in disputes,however i hate lying even more.

R. · 24 Sep 2007, 22:09

Well well well, this thread really doesn't belong here on this site ... but I guess we'll leave it open for discussion unless this turns into a "trade" thread, so no PM begging or vice versa!

Ross, first you want to spell-check your disclaimer and second - can I ask you to rephrase it so that it's perfectly clear that not this site & forum, but people visiting this site & forum convinced you to close your site. There's a difference, think about it! Thanks.

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

"Meat Loaf: The Bootlegs has now closed! This is becuase, a forum on the net were annoyed at the site; as it was trading video that was already avaialble on the net for free!

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 23:14

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Originally Posted by 24K

Well obviously you don't know yourself,cos you tried to sell me something.I do not like getting involved in disputes,however i hate lying even more.

Thanks Michelle, I thought I was bashing my head against a brick wall alone

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 23:14

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Originally Posted by R.

Well well well, this thread really doesn't belong here on this site ... but I guess we'll leave it open for discussion unless this turns into a "trade" thread, so no PM begging or vice versa!

Ross, first you want to spell-check your disclaimer and second - can I ask you to rephrase it so that it's perfectly clear that not this site & forum, but people visiting this site & forum convinced you to close your site. There's a difference, think about it! Thanks.

Thanks R

Pudding · 24 Sep 2007, 23:44

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Originally Posted by Evil One

Yep, trading gets right on my tits. Far better just to put it out there and let everyone have it. Unfortunately a lot of people take but do not give.

Totally agree

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Originally Posted by Deb

Lets start with this one.

How can say that? You once tried to sell me one of my own recordings!

OK, that's too funny

Pud

evil nickname · 24 Sep 2007, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Deb

but i'm sure those that had Evas or Tamaras stuff were also asked not to share.

Personally, I believe that all not quite legal recordings should be traded freely. As a not all too fanatical trader, I can't get behind the idea of keeping recordings for the select few. I'm in it for the music, not for the "I got something you don't have and won't be able to get either" factor. (Unless I'm interpreting the above statement incorrectly)

I have gotten quite a few recordings from the 'net, and to me, it would feel wrong to say, "no, you can't have it, as I've not personally produced them". (Doubly so if it concerns mp3s/other lossy files.) If you desperately want to keep your files from being traded, you probably should not make them available on the internet. That said, I do believe that credit should always be given where credit's due.

If anyone else wants this soapbox, go ahead. I'm had my say.

LucyK! · 24 Sep 2007, 23:48

I guess a lot of the not wanting things sharing or known about isn't to get one up on anyone else, but more to do with the fact that they shouldn't have been recorded in the first place...

mszee · 24 Sep 2007, 23:50

*Crawls onto the soapbox*

I AM HUNGRY!!!

And that's all I've got to say...

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 23:53

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

Personally, I believe that all not quite legal recordings should be traded freely. As a not all too fanatical trader, I can't get behind the idea of keeping recordings for the select few. I'm in it for the music, not for the "I got something you don't have and won't be able to get either" factor. (Unless I'm interpreting the above statement incorrectly)

yep you misinterperated it

I'm not a trader of any sorts. I just share freely with anyone that wants anything I have (unless it was given to me by somebody who doesn't want it shared) It's got nothing to do with keeping stuff for a select few, but thats something else that's been gone over a zillion times in different threads on different forums that i'm not prepared to go into again. Apart from to say it's situations like this that have made people wary of sharing to openly.

Just because some people don't openly share everything they have or dont post about sharing it doesn't mean they aren't sharing it

Deb · 24 Sep 2007, 23:56

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

I guess a lot of the not wanting things sharing or known about isn't to get one up on anyone else, but more to do with the fact that they shouldn't have been recorded in the first place...

Definitely and then theres the fact that people abuse what others share.

Also some people record shows just to get a trade afterwards. others do it as a much more personal memory of a show and have even been known to sing or chat through them

hence the not wanting to share it to openly and just wanting to share it with those they know wont slag them off. obviously looking at some of the stuff thats on Ross's list, some haven't kept to the person who gave it to thems wishes.

evil nickname · 25 Sep 2007, 00:00

I'll take a second turn then.

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

I guess a lot of the not wanting things sharing or known about isn't to get one up on anyone else, but more to do with the fact that they shouldn't have been recorded in the first place...

Hmmm. Somehow, I can't quite agree with that line of thought. If your reason for not trading a recording you're made (I presume) is because you believe you shouldn't have made said recording in the first place... you do the math with where I'm going.

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 00:01

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

I have gotten quite a few recordings from the 'net, and to me, it would feel wrong to say, "no, you can't have it, as I've not personally produced them". (Doubly so if it concerns mp3s/other lossy files.) If you desperately want to keep your files from being traded, you probably should not make them available on the internet. That said, I do believe that credit should always be given where credit's due.

If anyone else wants this soapbox, go ahead. I'm had my say.

Yeah I agree it can seem wrong not to share. And anything i've gotten from say a torrent site, I would share with anyone (Although I do feel that theres a lot of torrent stuff being shared that has gone against the seeders wishes. As in not sharing as flacs source etc, i've seen a lot of these circulating as mp3s. Other stuff is more personal either to me or the person who recorded it or what ever they did to it.

A lot of time and effort and even money goes into sharing freely.

Thats the trouble though, there's no credit given that i could see on Ross's site. And to try and sell me my own files takes the biscuit

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 00:04

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Originally Posted by evil nickname

I'll take a second turn then.

Hmmm. Somehow, I can't quite agree with that line of thought. If your reason for not trading a recording you're made (I presume) is because you believe you shouldn't have made said recording in the first place... you do the math with where I'm going.

I think what Lucy meant was that people didn't want to draw attention to the fact they were out there, we've all seen how 'some' can react to them

evil nickname · 25 Sep 2007, 00:05

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Originally Posted by Deb

yep you misinterperated it

Fair enough. Never said I was the cleverest of the bunch

Pudding · 25 Sep 2007, 00:26

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Originally Posted by Deb

I think what Lucy meant was that people didn't want to draw attention to the fact they were out there, we've all seen how 'some' can react to them

If people didn't want to draw attention to a bootleg, then either they shouldn't have recorded it in the first place or more over they shouldn't have shared it with someone.

I'm of the belief that if one bootleg recording of a show from a tour surfaces for everyone to enjoy, then it makes no difference if there's two shows from the tour, three shows from the tour, or every show from the tour is bootlegged and out there.

I'm not a big bootleg person anyway, one or two from a tour is more than enough for me. My beef though is with people trading these shows and not wanting to share, or profitting from them.

Pud

Deb · 25 Sep 2007, 00:29

I know your feelings on more than one boot from a tour Pud lol.

Yeah my main gripe here is that Ross got what he has from downloading freely on forums like this or tnw. And now he has a nice collection and all he wants to do is trade it. If we'd all done that in the first place, nothing would be available for the majority.

Trading sucks

Pudding · 25 Sep 2007, 00:54

That does suck

Pud

Evil One · 25 Sep 2007, 01:06

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Originally Posted by meatloaf-unofficial

Sure you name it and I will upload over time.... and share for free.... How about it? Let me know!

Bollocks

You took everything I shared and offered nothing in return.

24 Sep 2007, 21:35	#26
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	That's the point though - unless you recorded it it's not yours to pass on

24 Sep 2007, 21:38	#27
meatloaf-unofficial Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.02.2006 Location: Touring the Country Posts: 2,558	Well: Meat Loaf Unofficial closed as I have not got time to update it etc.. and thenakedwire and here do a great job at it. MeatLoaf Bootlegs closed now as I have learn't that people take time to upload stuff and then its traded for other concerts, when it shouldn't be.... and now I see no point in doing it! Therefore what I have now won't be traded unless I get told I can do.... Those are the only 2 sites I have closed!

24 Sep 2007, 21:52	#31
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	I really think it boils down to common sense and politeness. Neither of which I think are very difficult! In "real life" you wouldn't walk into someone's house, take their things and pass them on, for money or not, so why is the internet different? A daft example, when Deb posted her RAH pics on her site there were a few I wanted that included me, some at the hotel and one of me with Kasim, but despite the fact that I'm in them, and those photos only went as far as my printer and into a photo album I still asked if it was ok to use them, because at the end of the day they're not mine! It's really not hard...

24 Sep 2007, 21:59	#33
24K Mega Loafer Join Date: 20.10.2003 Location: WAY UP NORTH Posts: 1,923	Well obviously you don't know yourself,cos you tried to sell me something.I do not like getting involved in disputes,however i hate lying even more.

24 Sep 2007, 23:48	#39
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	I guess a lot of the not wanting things sharing or known about isn't to get one up on anyone else, but more to do with the fact that they shouldn't have been recorded in the first place...

24 Sep 2007, 23:50	#40
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	Crawls onto the soapbox I AM HUNGRY!!! And that's all I've got to say...

25 Sep 2007, 00:29	#48
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	I know your feelings on more than one boot from a tour Pud lol. Yeah my main gripe here is that Ross got what he has from downloading freely on forums like this or tnw. And now he has a nice collection and all he wants to do is trade it. If we'd all done that in the first place, nothing would be available for the majority. Trading sucks

25 Sep 2007, 00:54	#49
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	That does suck Pud