Classic Rock Interview

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by nikox1

no, im just saying i dont believe what everyone says to or tells me.

You don't even believe Meat Loaf? I'm shocked! FYI: The statement above is exactly why I had a look at the reviews.

Originally Posted by nikox1

maybe Meat views 20 bad comments alot?

That explains it, LOL. Wait... When I still read music magazines, I looked for the negative reviews first. They are often more interesting and entertaining than the favorable ones, maybe because people tend to put more passion into explaining why they hate something than into praising something. Some of those reviews are hilarious.

Originally Posted by nikox1

not everybodys life is the same nor do they all act in the same way. Meat says things like every other human on planet earth, its down to the person listening what way they think he said it.

You're right and to be fair, I don't even know if he was quoted correctly. But judging by what he said in other interviews, too, and on this forum, he seems to pay a lot of attention to negativity. I just wonder why? You can't please everybody and negative feedback is very common, not only on Amazon. You can make the best album in the world, there'll always be people who don't like it. I think Meat Loaf himself said in a recent interview "be grateful for what you have". He can be proud of the fact that a lot of people all over the world love that album and that they still come to his shows to hear its songs live. He (along with Steinman, Rundgren and others) accomplished something not many people are lucky enough to accomplish. Does it really matter if there are a people who think it's horrible (they must be interested in it somehow, though - otherwise they wouldn't spend time on writing a review, LOL)?

Originally Posted by TheDoode

Which territory did you look at? There are different reviews on each Amazon site, according to country.

Amazon.com as that's the site I assume he referred to. Amazon.co.uk could be possible as well. (There are apparently even less negative reviews.) I doubt that he checked the reviews on amazon.fr, amazon.de or amazon.co.jp or the Chinese or Italian site.

[stretch37]

Re: Sarge's posts about Meat being cynical about the album that made him famous.

Is there any way to ban people who hate the artist that this forum belongs to ?

I am just tired of it. sorry ppl. *shrug*

[Evil One]

Where exactly has Sarge claimed that she hates Meat Loaf?

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Holy One

Where exactly has Sarge claimed that she hates Meat Loaf?

If Sarge is a girl, I'll eat your enormous golden clad bauble.

[R.]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

If Sarge is a girl, I'll eat your enormous golden clad bauble.

Would you like some french fries with that?

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by stretch37

Re: Sarge's posts about Meat being cynical about the album that made him famous.

Is there any way to ban people who hate the artist that this forum belongs to ?

I am just tired of it. sorry ppl. *shrug*

Is there a way to ban people who read weird things into other members posts? I said Meat was "cynical" (???) about his album and "hate" him? Good Lord... Some people need help, really. (Sorry mods, but I don't know what else to say about such nonsense.)

[Wario]

You guys are taking meat to heart really too too seriously. Hes always said some people love BOOH and some people hate it. He just was in an interview and used the amazon reference off the top of his head. He probably didn't read the amzon reviews and just used it as a current reference readers would understand.

the point is what he was trying to say: BOOH isnt the most universally acclaimed album of all time. Its high time re realized that. Sure it has more lovers then haters, but the haters really hate and the lovers really love. Rolling Stone has bashed meat's album and its superior sequel, and other magazines have praised it. Its an album thats not for everyone.

If CDs were given MPAA ratings, BOOH would be rated NC-17

The CDs is a success and meat was just referencing not everyone has a soft spot for it. relax.

Also, on a side note, Im pretty sure Meat has soft spots for Bad Attitude and BBIS. In thee early 90s hes said BA was his favorite record pre-Bat 2 besides BOOH and hes made mention of adding two BBIS songs into the set in 2012 (if that ever happens). Id say they'd be waiting in the dugout in his eyes.

[Sarge]

Maybe you're right, Wario. It just appeared strange to read a sentence that somehow seemed to void the previous one.

Originally Posted by Wario

If CDs were given MPAA ratings, BOOH would be rated NC-17

Don't mention ratings, I just saw one of these large ugly stickers of our local motion picture rating organization on the Welcome To The Neighborhood Collector's Edition. Not suitable for children below the age of 12, LOL.

Originally Posted by Wario

Also, on a side note, Im pretty sure Meat has soft spots for Bad Attitude and BBIS. [...] Id say they'd be waiting in the dugout in his eyes.

Bad Attitude is his best non-Steinman 1980s album, Blind Before I Stop suffers from sounding more like a dance pop than a rock album. Some of the songs are not bad, though, they sounded pretty good when being performed live. It would be interesting to hear what they sound like if played by the current NLE lineup.

[Tri.somethin]

Whats this he doesn't know if he can tour in 2012? WHAAAAAAT?

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by Evil One

Where exactly has Sarge claimed that she hates Meat Loaf?

She digs at him all the time, not sure why she even bothers coming here....I guess its a love/hate thing

Really, to read into what he said about Bat and basically get irritated at him for focusing on a few negative reviews says something right there....and you dont need to have super-effing-amazing hearing to pick up on it.

Who cares if he talks about some negative reviews from the album that made him famous? What should he be banned from certain discussions because it makes him appear un-appreciative?

holy christ.......This place is exhausting dude. if Meat didn't show up on here, and there weren't some really dedicated amazing fans, i'd be the ~~~~ out of here before you could blink an eye. Cynicism surrounding your favourite artist *ON THEIR FAN SITE* is so stupid, i cant believe its allowed.

i guess for entertainment purposes it adds to the fun ?

/rant

[stretch37]

before I get jumped on. Cynical behavior does not mean negative opinions. Negative opinion of work, IE "I do not like bat out of hell" should be fine.

But "Meat Loaf is entirely unappreciative of his own success" or "Meat loaf sees his success as cup-half-empty because he focuses on 3 negative reviews on amazon", or a similar such untrue statement is a complete insult to the man, and should not be something that others can come and find as reading material on his fan club. We all know how much Meat is grateful for his success in life, and there is no need for such rubbish.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by R.

Would you like some french fries with that?

As it's an academic question, I'd say the answer doesn't really matter. But since you asked nicely, I'm more of a tobasco man.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by stretch37

She digs at him all the time, not sure why she even bothers coming here....I guess its a love/hate thing

If I read any more of your babble, I'll end up with a headache. You trying to be a wannabe psychologist is amusing, though. I wonder where in this thread I actually attacked Meat Loaf (aside from stating that I'm not into Christmas albums - by any rock singer that is). You seem to have a strange concept of what "digging at someone" is. Or you are just bored. You constantly try to show what a "good" fan you are by complaining about how bad others are just because they are not as "passionate" as you. Pretty cheap. If it's an "insult" to rather want to see an artist being happy with his / her work than to see him / her saying that allegedly "a whole lot of people" don't like it then you live in a pretty strange world. Besides, see my response to Wario.

[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by stretch37

She digs at him all the time, not sure why she even bothers coming here....I guess its a love/hate thing

Really, to read into what he said about Bat and basically get irritated at him for focusing on a few negative reviews says something right there....and you dont need to have super-effing-amazing hearing to pick up on it.

Who cares if he talks about some negative reviews from the album that made him famous? What should he be banned from certain discussions because it makes him appear un-appreciative?

holy christ.......This place is exhausting dude. if Meat didn't show up on here, and there weren't some really dedicated amazing fans, i'd be the ~~~~ out of here before you could blink an eye. Cynicism surrounding your favourite artist *ON THEIR FAN SITE* is so stupid, i cant believe its allowed.

i guess for entertainment purposes it adds to the fun ?

/rant

are you ok dude?? you seem very upset

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by Tri.somethin

Whats this he doesn't know if he can tour in 2012? WHAAAAAAT?

Yep ... guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens

[Tri.somethin]

Originally Posted by Vickip

Yep ... guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens

I'm a sad panda now... :'(

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Wario

You guys are taking meat to heart really too too seriously. Hes always said some people love BOOH and some people hate it. He just was in an interview and used the amazon reference off the top of his head. He probably didn't read the amzon reviews and just used it as a current reference readers would understand.

Chris, I think you're absolutely right, and expressed it perfectly

Caryl

[AndyK]

If you can't discuss the interview without bickering at each other, then please don't bother posting in this thread.

[melon]

A nasty christmas album.... sounds like my sort of christmas album

[Vickip]

Originally Posted by melon

A nasty christmas album.... sounds like my sort of christmas album

Mine too Mel

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by Michael Marxen

Maybe cause there are lots of alikes in their career (i.e. musicians, success, a recent AFL-performance). But Bruce is always credited as the second coming whereas Meat, Jim (and us fans) for whatever reason often have to fight for credibility.

MM

Recent football appearances aside (Bruce played the American Superbowl halftime show, not the AFL, btw), their careers are only alike in that they both make rock records and became famous around the same time period. Springsteen is a well-respected songwriter who plays his own instruments (plural), and has released several solo albums in addition to the ones he made with various bands; Meat is "an actor who sings", by his own description. In fact, depending who you listen to, whether it's an homage or a parody, Bat I sounds the way it does because of Born to Run. They even "borrowed" two key members of Springsteen's band to make the album.

Bruce may be Rolling Stone's darling, I'll give you that, but he's more than earned every bit of "credibility" that he has.

And, I've never seen Bruce put down another artist's work in interviews or online, subtly or otherwise. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Wario

Rolling Stone has bashed meat's album and its superior sequel, and other magazines have praised it.

The reviews weren't exactly glowing, but I wouldn't say either album was "bashed", either. I'm not exactly a fan of Dave Marsh, who wrote the review for Bat I anyway; he's something of a Springsteen "insider", and I wouldn't have expected him to say anything different.

Bat I review:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/al...-hell-19771215

Bat II review:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/al...-hell-19931028

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

Recent football appearances aside (Bruce played the American Superbowl halftime show, not the AFL, btw), their careers are only alike in that they both make rock records and became famous around the same time period. Springsteen is a well-respected songwriter who plays his own instruments (plural), and has released several solo albums in addition to the ones he made with various bands; Meat is "an actor who sings", by his own description. In fact, depending who you listen to, whether it's an homage or a parody, Bat I sounds the way it does because of Born to Run. They even "borrowed" two key members of Springsteen's band to make the album.

Bruce may be Rolling Stone's darling, I'll give you that, but he's more than earned every bit of "credibility" that he has.

And, I've never seen Bruce put down another artist's work in interviews or online, subtly or otherwise. Just saying.

Exactly.

I have an interview with Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman from 1978 in which Steinman mentions that Bruce Springsteen is one of his main influences. Bat Out Of Hell and Born To Run have a similar structure, yet Meat Loaf and Bruce are totally different artists who don't necessarily appeal to the same audience (although there are a couple of Meat Loaf fans who like Bruce as well). Meat Loaf is not a songwriter and depends on the people he collaborates with, their styles differ and don't appeal to everybody to the same degree. Steinman is not very productive and appears to be reclusive, it doesn't come as a surprise that Bruce gets more attention and recognition.

[Evil One]

Originally Posted by TheDoode

I'm more of a tobasco man.

Not on my enormous golden clad bauble.

[TheDoode]

Originally Posted by Evil One

Not on my enormous golden clad bauble.

Hey, blame R, he was the one that brought the sauce into this. The sauce? Get it? Aha-ha-ha-ha ahhhhhhhh.

[nikox1]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Exactly.

I have an interview with Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman from 1978 in which Steinman mentions that Bruce Springsteen is one of his main influences. Bat Out Of Hell and Born To Run have a similar structure, yet Meat Loaf and Bruce are totally different artists who don't necessarily appeal to the same audience (although there are a couple of Meat Loaf fans who like Bruce as well). Meat Loaf is not a songwriter and depends on the people he collaborates with, their styles differ and don't appeal to everybody to the same degree. Steinman is not very productive and appears to be reclusive, it doesn't come as a surprise that Bruce gets more attention and recognition.

i really like Bruce to be honest, a great talent!!! where Meat is concerned tho its all about hes look and image = he never fitted in to the whole rock star look. he never wrote much of hes own songs - BUT nor did Elvis!! and like Elvis he makes every song hes own. that can be sometimes harder to do imo.