Just Say No

[Monstro]

Originally Posted by Dave

No, I am a complete dunderhead idiot who is just talking out of his arse. Yes, I have seen the show. I am not a babbling retard. No, we do not get the show in America; however, I have seen several full seasons of every show. Again, close mindedness reigns supreme among the Meat Loaf fan base. You have assumed something about me by your statement above that is a lie. Thank you for your lack of faith in my being able to formulate an independent opinion based on research and my own freewill reasoning.

I have assumed nothing about you, I actually asked questions. You answered that you've seen the show but haven't answered as to why you think it would be a good thing for Meat to do, perhaps if you answered that I might not be as "close minded" as you assume me to be.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Actually some of the comments in this thread make me rethink my opinion and it would be fun to disprove the "obvious" thoughts of the mob and Meat did do the show and donated the money to charity if he won.

Well, that is exactly where I was going. Most have said Meat Loaf would have to lower himself to go on this show. If the speculation that Meat Loaf is as shrewd of a player as people on this thread give him credit for...let him go on the show and totally rule the game (the way he did on Celebrity Apprentice). Rather than fear the negative, I would like to think that our resident rock royalty Mr. Loaf would be stellar enough to take this game to a higher level.

• He left the critics amiss with Bat Out Of Hell.
• His work in a little movie called Rocky Horror is considered a showstopping piece of the cult that keeps this alive.
• He defied the odds of the standard business mold and style with an over the top comeback with Bat 2.
• He performed so well in the movie Fight Club that few even really know who he is in the film.
• He played Celebrity Apprentice to the point where mighty powerful players crumbled.

I would be excited to see the magic and power he would bring into one of the most famous houses in the world. But that is just me...I don't under-change Meat Loaf's ability to create excellent entertainment (irregardless of the circumstances).

[Evil One]

Or someone could steal his paints again

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Actually some of the comments in this thread make me rethink my opinion and it would be fun to disprove the "obvious" thoughts of the mob and Meat did do the show and donated the money to charity if he won.

"Obvious thoughts of the mob" ??? MOB???

I'm rethinking some of my opinions of people ..

As to later posts .. Yes. Meat excels in theatre, film, on stage. This show is none of those. It has none of the focused activities of CA, nor the facility to touch base with the real world. The activities are contrived, the producers try and engineer conflict, and the programme is mercilessly edited for effect.

I think many of us have given Meat better sense than to participate. You're on a hiding to nothing to make this show a positive experience as a contestant imo .. the shrewdest person to go on it walked out after a couple of days .. and took some time to live it down.

[LucyK!]

I know there are some seriously opinionated people on this forum - myself included - but I do think Mob is a bit much...

The only thing I will say Dave is have you seen the UK version of the show? I don't know if there is an American Celebrity Big Brother (and if there is I've not seen it) but here in the UK that show really is the lowest of the low. It's a cheap attempt for Z-list celebs to make a name for themselves (genereally unsuccessfully) or people who used to be big trying to make a desperate come-back, again, generally failing miserably.

I thought Meat was great on Celebrity Apprentice, and you're right he's great in the theatre, but this isn't anything like that. Over here it's cheap tabloid crap and something that anyone with an ounce of dignity would stay well clear of...

...my apologies to Meat if you have said yes to this!

[Dave]

Originally Posted by LucyK!

The only thing I will say Dave is have you seen the UK version of the show?

Since you did not read or overlooked my comment below, I have seen Celebrity Big Brother from the UK. I know I have watched at least one full season of the show. I still stand by my comment that I believe if you are good enough at your game, you can spin anything anyway you want it.

[BostonAngel]

We haven't had a Celebrity edition of Big Brother here in the states. We do have a regular version of Big Brother. I am reasonably sure it is the same concept, just done with celebrities. Similar to the regular Apprentice show vs the Celebrity variety. And I still say NO, Meat should definitely NOT do it. Only reality TV show I might like to see him compete on is Dancing With The Stars. I don't think he has much to gain by going on any reality TV shows.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

Due to me loving his music so much, I will kindly ignore any reality TV that he has been on or will be on.

I'm about to steal this sentence. I'd rather see him for just a few minutes doing something like the Bagel Bites thing on Fallon. I favor Meat Loaf, the singer/actor over Meat Loaf, the "celebrity". The meaning of the term "celebrity" must have changed over the years, I guess - I have never heard of the presumed contestants mentioned in the last paragraph of the article.

[The Flying Mouse]

Like with many things, there are pros and cons.

CBB is something that seems to be equally scoffed at and adored by the country. It's pretty 50/50.

The show is well known enough to raise the profile of anyone going into the house, and has been know to bring new life to a dead career.

But I don't think Meat's career is dead, and I don't really think he needs what CBB has to offer.

I see where Dave is coming from. A big fish in a small pond will naturally dominate. But some might say why the hell did the big fish go into such a small pond for in the first place?

There is a lot of general distain for the word "celebrity" in celebrity big brother.
What would be worse if Meat entered the house and left pretty early on. Beat by the worst bunch of Z list "celebs" you could imagine.
Don't forget, this is a popularity contest. Meat can't get anywhere based on his own merit (as was the case with CA). It's public vote that counts.

The main reason that i'm inclined to think it's not a great idea is that I don't think Meat could keep the crazy in if he were couped up that long with a group of annoying assholes (I don't think I could). We saw how he blew up on Gary Bussey, and that was in an enviroment where, OK, he was living in a penthouse with a group of people, but he could go out anytime he wanted, and go where he felt like.
CBB is more like a prison desiged by Salvator Dali
"Play blind mans buff for three hours ans we'll give you a bottle of wine and a roast chicken"


Whatever Meat decides to do, i'll back him either way

[CarylB]

I think Mouse nails it .. Z list "celebs" competing in a public pay per vote popularity contest, where Meat couldn't get anywhere based on merit as he did in CA, but would just be bored out of his mind in a bizarre prison, cut off from the world. The series, since it has been dropped by C4, gets what audience it can muster here largely amongst the young demographic; its over 35 audience is very limited, and for Meat to even contemplate putting his head on the popular vote block would imo be ill advised to say the least. This isn't a show about skills an aptitudes, and achieving something useful ... it's about hoping to win a popularity contest, and imo Meat's about the work, not the celebrity

[Cherry.Loaf]

If he does it I'll watch but I highly doubt he'll do it

[LisaT]

Originally Posted by CarylB

emaciated clothes pegs hardly out of the womb who can barely string a phrase together

[AndrewG]

After watching "You've Been Trumped" my opinion of Donald Trump couldn't be any lower and it kinda makes me think that Meat even associating with that nasty piece of work in Celebrity Apprentice would in no way be worse than him appearing on CBB on Channel 5. This superficial belief that CA / Business / Donald Trump is good seems rather closed minded to me now. Look behind the surface and often that piece of "entertainment" is just as rubbish really regardless of minuscule percentages of the monies that such people like Trump turn over go to charities.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

This superficial belief that CA / Business / Donald Trump is good seems rather closed minded to me now. Look behind the surface and often that piece of "entertainment" is just as rubbish really regardless of minuscule percentages of the monies that such people like Trump turn over go to charities.

I certainly wouldn't suggest CA was a great piece of TV .. Meat only wound up on it due to a misunderstanding which he felt obliged to honour. He was the only reason I watched that series, and I wouldn't watch it again. It too is contrived, heavily edited to grab ratings, etc etc. I have no superficial belief it is great, challenging or edifying entertainment. However, I wouldn't consider the amounts the charities receive "miniscule", even though I am aware that the Trump empire makes far more out of it and could afford to match any money raised or given for winning the tasks.

I've not suggested there is anything intrinsically beneficial to mankind in the tasks set on CA; they are however tasks with an outcome, and can be used for, or lead to good .. for eg the children's book which was published, the single SITS.

What I, and others, have been saying is that CBB has no such tasks which at least have some usable outcome; the participants are isolated from contact with the outside world; and that progression through it is determined by public pay votes, rather on any kind of merit via task achievement. CBB is very different to CA, and it is those differences which make me say I would not want to see Meat anywhere near it .. even less than I would have wanted him to go back on the next all star CA, which I believe he's not doing

[BostonAngel]

Originally Posted by CarylB

..........I would not want to see Meat anywhere near it .. even less than I would have wanted him to go back on the next all star CA, which I believe he's not doing

You are correct about the All-Star edition of Celebrity Apprentice. The contestants have been chosen, filming has already begun and Meat is not amongst those participating. He is busy with this leg of the US tour and hopefully finalizing plans for the UK tour in 2013 And hopefully, too, not giving any consideration to the idea of doing CBB.

[Sarge]

Like Andrew, I fail to understand how CA is that much different from (better than?) than CBB.

It's also pretty odd to compete with and work against each other to do something for charity, in my opinion. The constant competition causes unnecessary conflicts and the "losing" team usually don't benefit from the effort they put in their project. I'd rather see people work together to achieve something good, without the necessity of some of them being "losers" and someone getting "fired" each week.

Originally Posted by CarylB

Meat only wound up on it due to a misunderstanding which he felt obliged to honour.

Okay, it's after 2 a.m. and maybe I'm just too tired to get this... What kind of "misunderstanding"? How can you take part in a TV show "due to a misunderstanding"?

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Like Andrew, I fail to understand how CA is that much different from (better than?) than CBB.

Didn't say it was better, but thought I clearly outlined how it is different (in the final para of my last post .. tasks, isolation, how participants stay in the game).

It's also pretty odd to compete with and work against each other to do something for charity, in my opinion. The constant competition causes unnecessary conflicts and the "losing" team usually don't benefit from the effort they put in their project. I'd rather see people work together to achieve something good, without the necessity of some of them being "losers" and someone getting "fired" each week.

But these shows are "games" with the elements of competing that implies, and firing/being voted out is the chosen means of progressing to a winner .. a bit like heats really.

Okay, it's after 2 a.m. and maybe I'm just too tired to get this... What kind of "misunderstanding"? How can you take part in a TV show "due to a misunderstanding"?

I said due to a misunderstanding "he felt obliged to honour". Meat said he was asked each year to appear and said no. On this occasion he was on a film set when the call came through. He was distracted and thought he was saying yes to them getting back to him. They took it as yes to appearing. They didn't call him back and he put it out of his mind. Later when his management expressed surprise that he had agreed he realised there had been a misunderstanding, but by then the company had moved ahead on the assumption they had his agreement. He felt obliged to honour it. That's why I wrote what I did. Any more detail you'd need to ask Meat.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by CarylB

But these shows are "games"

I know and I explained what I dislike about these "games". As for the "misunderstanding": I'm sorry but that explanation appears strange to me.

[melon]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I'm sorry but that explanation appears strange to me.

How so?

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[chairboys]

When Big Brother first hit our screens the whole country seemed to watch it. The concept was new and exciting. The first series was a "classic". Who could forget Nasty Nick and Craig (I think that was his name) was a worthy winner. Big Brother was big news and rightly so.
But, after nine hundred and five series, the fascination of sitting down and watching somebody else sitting down lost its appeal. The characters (contestants) became ever more bizarre to spice up the experience. But, you cannot fool the British public that long.
The celebrity show revitalised it (slightly), but just like the "pleb" version it soon became very very stale.
However, some people like watching this kind of stuff to switch off from the stresses of modern life. It appears most of us have at some point watched it and probably quite enjoyed it.
As has been pointed out, the viewing figures are atrocious and it has been 'relegated' to channel five. That just about says it all.
Meat, DON'T DO IT!

[loaferman61]

In my opinion that is probably just gossip maybe off a list the producers made. I doubt Meat does it, but if he does a lot of those screaming "no" will do a sudden 180. It would be his decision and I'd be cool with it either way. I would think scheduling would be an issue.

[melon]

Originally Posted by loaferman61

In my opinion that is probably just gossip maybe off a list the producers made. I doubt Meat does it, but if he does a lot of those screaming "no" will do a sudden 180. It would be his decision and I'd be cool with it either way. I would think scheduling would be an issue.

No way I'll be doing a 180, and no, where I live is not the reason why!

But I do believe that this won't happen anyway

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[duke knooby]

Originally Posted by chairboys

When Big Brother first hit our screens the whole country seemed to watch it. The concept was new and exciting. The first series was a "classic". Who could forget Nasty Nick and Craig (I think that was his name) was a worthy winner. Big Brother was big news and rightly so.
But, after nine hundred and five series, the fascination of sitting down and watching somebody else sitting down lost its appeal.

I have never watched it
and i'd like to keep it that way.. so i hope meat doesn't do it!

(am i the only one who thought this thread was going to be about drugs and grangehill )

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by loaferman61

In my opinion that is probably just gossip maybe off a list the producers made. I doubt Meat does it,

This I agree with 100%

but if he does a lot of those screaming "no" will do a sudden 180. It would be his decision and I'd be cool with it either way. I would think scheduling would be an issue.

I certainly wouldn't do a sudden 180, and I think that assertion does some dis-service to a number of people who've posted. But then I still love Bat3 I think the article is just gossip, don't believe Meat would ever do it, and would be fearful for him rather than "cool" in the unlikely event he did.

Originally Posted by duke knooby

I have never watched it
and i'd like to keep it that way.. so i hope meat doesn't do it!

I watched bits of a couple of the opening CBB series Germaine Greer was in .. never want to repeat the horror I watched enough of one series of BB (I think the 3rd), drop-jawed, to be convinced it was car-crash TV The one single saving grace of the C5 version imo is that it doesn't clutter up quite so much of the TV scheduling as C4 used to indulge in

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by duke knooby

(am i the only one who thought this thread was going to be about drugs and grangehill )

Grange Hill. Now you're talking!