the absolute WORST interview ever done.

[tonyloaf]

Let's be honest here tho, Meat and Jim - one of the most strangest relationships ever.

[lorenzoduke]

Ancient history. Who cares, that was 35 years ago. They got over it, I'm sure we can.

[stretch37]

Originally Posted by tonyloaf

Let's be honest here tho, Meat and Jim - one of the most strangest relationships ever.

Sometimes the quirkiest ones are the longest lasting

[PanicLord]

Originally Posted by Wario

Jim can't ding, Rory can't lead, meat is the only person who can bring Kim's words to life with male hormones.

Superb. Top marks that man.

[tonyloaf]

Originally Posted by stretch37

Sometimes the quirkiest ones are the longest lasting

Very true and very clever :)

[Michael Marxen]

Worst timing of a post, cause Jim and Meat are about to put a happy ending to their story with doing Braver Than We Are.

Their legacy was summarized by Meat himself recently in Vegas: "I have been extremely lucky to meet Jim Steinman. And Jim Steinman has been extremely lucky to meet me."

[Evil Ernie]

Originally Posted by Michael Marxen

Worst timing of a post, cause Jim and Meat are about to put a happy ending to their story with doing Braver Than We Are.

Their legacy was summarized by Meat himself recently in Vegas: "I have been extremely lucky to meet Jim Steinman. And Jim Steinman has been extremely lucky to meet me."

ML said it best.

I think that ML was probably slightly luckier, because there probably aren't many bands or record labels that would have wanted a 300lb man as a lead singer. I think ML may have still had success, but I suspect it wouldn't have been as a singer, but an actor.

Jim is a genius, but very private. I suspect he would have been able to get artists to record his songs which would have been hits. He'd be some guy that only people who really read liner notes would know. He would make a fortune off of publishing rights.

That said, ML has been much better at turning chicken shit into chicken pot pie. His many comebacks are testament to that. Jim could have had far more success than he did; and he's a VERY successful songwriter.

[anotherday]

I wonder if WARIO is OKAY...like...WHY post this after they are about to release their final collab? I DONT UNDERSTAND WARIO

[JennaG]

To be honest I am not surprised to read this kind of thing from Stienman and it's not the first time I've read things where he has been critical towards Meat Loaf or tried to claim ownership over various aspects of the Meat Loaf character. However most people don't buy music because the people involved are 'nice', modest or whatever, they buy it because the lyrics are good and the singer is able to bring them to life in an appealing way. Whether you are a fan of Steinman as a person or not, you can't really argue that he and Meat Loaf have produced some great work.

[rockfenris2005]

Originally Posted by Evil Ernie

ML said it best.

I think that ML was probably slightly luckier, because there probably aren't many bands or record labels that would have wanted a 300lb man as a lead singer. I think ML may have still had success, but I suspect it wouldn't have been as a singer, but an actor.

Jim is a genius, but very private. I suspect he would have been able to get artists to record his songs which would have been hits. He'd be some guy that only people who really read liner notes would know. He would make a fortune off of publishing rights.

That said, ML has been much better at turning chicken shit into chicken pot pie. His many comebacks are testament to that. Jim could have had far more success than he did; and he's a VERY successful songwriter.

It was a mutual thing, IMO. Jim had the songs. Meat had the voice and the theatricality. Meat had the energy to push the album like crazy and he never stopped. Jim got exhausted and in any event, needed to leave so he could begin work on the next album. He probably couldn't do both. The live shows had a lot to do with the success of the album. Pandora's Box "Original Sin" didn't have any live shows. I don't know why, but it didn't. But perhaps if it did, and with someone like Meat Loaf pushing them like crazy, it probably would have been bigger. If Jim had recorded BOOH himself, or if there had been another singer who was more like Jim, just looking at it from the point of view of Meat's energy, I think it would have been different.

One thing I would really like to see happen... Firstly, one thing that is different already: Meat going around saying that the dysfunctional relationship with Steinman is not what they thought it was. So what I would like to see happen now also with the new album, is just really. Hey, Meat and Jim have done great things both together and apart. And let's celebrate that. And it's true. I really believe that. Yes, they needed each other at times, but there's more to it. That's what I would love to see now.

I think they've proven that over the years.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by Wario

Jim would be nowhere without Meat. Meats the ONLY MAN that can sing his stuff.
I'm sorry but jim was lucky to meet the voice, cause meat sure as hell would've still had a great career.

I wanted to respond to this a while back. Your reply in the Braver thread made me come back to that

Originally Posted by Wario

Those sales numbers are terrible HCTB deserved more.

Not suprising though.

It's fair to say that Meat's most succesful albums are the Steinman ones (particular Bat 1 and 2) and his best selling non Steinman albums were the ones to directly follow a succesful Steinman album.

This thread started a discussion about who needs who most. For me it's obvious both couldn't have made it without the other.

Meat got in the spotlight because of that one album Bat out of Hell (sure he was in Rocky horror and had some othe things but Bat made him big).
After Dead Ringer Meat fell in a black hole. So did his career and he needed Steinman to make a comeback. Hence Bat 2. And, like it or not, Meat's career will always be connected to those two successes. Not his movie career, not his other music, no the Steinman work made Meat what he is now.
You don't take my word for it. Go to your concert the 14th, talk to none die-hard fans and the songs they mention will be of those two albums with an occasional Dead Ringer song. Hell those people bought tickets because of one of those two albums. They don't care if Los Angeloser or Giving Tree is in the set. They come to hear Bat, Paradise, TTW, TooT and AFL.

As for Steinman. A great songwriter, but only for certain artists with specific abilities. Steinman was lucky to meet Meat, who made the songs his own. Few people would have given so much life to those songs as Meat has done. The lyrics are epic and needed an epic performer, which they found in Meat.

Their blessing is both their curse. Without each other they wouldn't be where they are now. Just be happy they lived in the same era. If one of the two had been born 20 years later we would have missed out on Rock history. That I'm sure of.

[Wario]

Originally Posted by Adje

I wanted to respond to this a while back. Your reply in the Braver thread made me come back to that

Not suprising though.

It's fair to say that Meat's most succesful albums are the Steinman ones (particular Bat 1 and 2) and his best selling non Steinman albums were the ones to directly follow a succesful Steinman album.

This thread started a discussion about who needs who most. For me it's obvious both couldn't have made it without the other.

Meat got in the spotlight because of that one album Bat out of Hell (sure he was in Rocky horror and had some othe things but Bat made him big).
After Dead Ringer Meat fell in a black hole. So did his career and he needed Steinman to make a comeback. Hence Bat 2. And, like it or not, Meat's career will always be connected to those two successes. Not his movie career, not his other music, no the Steinman work made Meat what he is now.
You don't take my word for it. Go to your concert the 14th, talk to none die-hard fans and the songs they mention will be of those two albums with an occasional Dead Ringer song. Hell those people bought tickets because of one of those two albums. They don't care if Los Angeloser or Giving Tree is in the set. They come to hear Bat, Paradise, TTW, TooT and AFL.

As for Steinman. A great songwriter, but only for certain artists with specific abilities. Steinman was lucky to meet Meat, who made the songs his own. Few people would have given so much life to those songs as Meat has done. The lyrics are epic and needed an epic performer, which they found in Meat.

Their blessing is both their curse. Without each other they wouldn't be where they are now. Just be happy they lived in the same era. If one of the two had been born 20 years later we would have missed out on Rock history. That I'm sure of.

Great post agreed