69. Home By Now/No Matter What - Page 2

rockfenris2005 · 02 Dec 2003, 10:10

When I heard it for the first time - on VERY BEST OF MEAT LOAF - I thought the album had (literally) transformed into BAT OUT OF HELL 3.
This, IS NOTHING SACRED and A KISS are the most enchanting songs ML has done in the 90s - besides BAT 2. HOME BY NOW / NO MATTER WHAT is compelling. 1500 / 10 !!!

needmoremeat · 04 Dec 2003, 22:57

BOYZONE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE THEM FOR DOING THAT SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! USED TO LIKE THEM, WENT OFF THEM, DIDN'T LIKE NMW WHEN FIRST HEARD THEM DO IT, LATER FOUND OUT ABOUT MEAT DOING IT AND WAS SO PISSED OFF WITH THEM, EVEN MORE SO WHEN i HEARD MEAT'S VERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has anyone seen a production of Whistle Down The Wind? I've seen it twice at the Empire Theatre, and HBN/NMW is my fave part of the whole musical! The children are standing with the man bathed in yellow light singing the words we know from Meat's version, then the adults come on and are bathed in a red light while the children are put into darkness while the adults sing the different, sinister lyrics about tearing the man limb from limb, then they are plunged into darkness as the children are lit up again, and it alternates between the two. I had tears in my eyes watching it on Thursday 20th Nov. this year.

evil nickname · 05 Dec 2003, 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by needmoremeat

I HATE THEM FOR DOING THAT SONG!

Personally, I like Boyzone's version better than Meat's. I think that Meat's version is too 'heavy', and Boyzone's lighter approach works better for me.

RSG · 05 Dec 2003, 06:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

You can give 11 if you want, but not higher. But only if you think it's better then the border of heaven...

its a heaven jimmy meat song. thats pretty close to heaven. so nice

Michel · 05 Dec 2003, 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Quote:

Originally Posted by needmoremeat

I HATE THEM FOR DOING THAT SONG!

Personally, I like Boyzone's version better than Meat's. I think that Meat's version is too 'heavy', and Boyzone's lighter approach works better for me.

Are you drunk?

Jayd · 05 Dec 2003, 18:23

Far better than Boyzone, heard Meat's version also on the radio on holiday in Ibiza in 2000, so the spanish must prefer Meat's version too, 9/10.

evil nickname · 05 Dec 2003, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

Are you drunk? :lol:

No, you?

PanicLord · 05 Dec 2003, 23:12

Down with Boyzone!!! My girlfriend's mum says she thinks Meat's version lacks "edge"????

WHAT????

BOYZONE'S VERSION LACKS ANY REDEEMING FEATURE!!!

Sorry about that...[Breathes deeply]

Anyway, I love Meat's version, is so theatrical (SURPRISE huh?).

9.5/10.

Michel · 06 Dec 2003, 00:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by evil nickname

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

Are you drunk?

No, you?

No.

black dog · 06 Dec 2003, 00:41

I have to confess that I like Boyzone's version of the song and was therefore quite surprised to see it on a Meat Loaf CD. I wondered how Meat Loaf would do this song and must admit I prefer it to the Boyzone version. You can feel the emotion when Meat Loaf sings the song, he just gives it so much more depth.

9/10

Shells

evil nickname · 06 Dec 2003, 03:37

Well, I like Boyzone's version is better. Big deal. I simply find Meat's version too "heavy" for the subject. For me, the song is about hope, faith and more "happy things". If I had to choose a way to convey in a song, I wouldn't prefer a sad, almost depressing ballad over an upbeat pop-song.
Also, I don't like the way Meat's version is arranged. Look at the credits: Keyboards and Programming, with some backing vocals. There is no 'real' instrument involved... everything is from a box. And then you have the backing vocals (I don't like 'em. Lets keep it at that). Boyzone's version is, however, graced with real instruments (guitars mostly) - which I find to be a redeeming value for a song...

In conclusion, it is all a matter of taste. I like Boyzone's version better than Meat's, and it seems to me I am hugely outnumbered. Big freakin' deal, right? Whatever rocks your boat :)
Some say: you can't argue about taste. I say: discussing and argueing about taste can lead to different insights, so it can't be all bad.

Alex · 13 Dec 2003, 22:47

Suprises come in suprising packages!

Rooting around through my mam's CD collection I stumbled across a current chart CD entitled "The Best Musicals Ever". Being highly cultured and sophisticated (hold back the sniggers a moment), I decided I should listen to it (If only for Time Warp

). Routing through there are the obvious choices on there, but I was I guess a little bit suprised to see that Jim Steinman had got himself a song on there!!

Excellent! ... one might presume. But consider the possibilities when you find out that that song is actually No Matter What from the Whistle Down The Wind musical.

Meat did a version of this, but when it got to the Very Best of Album, it was morphed with 'Home By Now' (much to it's benefit if you are interested in my opinion

). However, Boyzone's version made the 'Songs From Whistle Down The Wind' compilation above Meat's (we'll not talk about that atrocity (both in terms of how that was dealt with, and how it was sang)). There is one other version that I like though, and its to be found on the Cast CD, and its different words and changes that really add to the cute factor of it. A wonderful version!

So I skiped on through until I hit the No Matter What track. And it started (sadly, there was no Orchestra, ruling out Meat Loaf's Home By Now/No Matter What version). It continued. I knew the cast version, and this didn't sound like that at all. 10 seconds had passed and I hadn't heard Ronan Keating do his Rolf Harris impressions yet. Maybe this wasn't boyzone afterall! (big relief!). I figured the people who had made the album would recover it, as they might had done for the other songs on the 2 CD set if I'd have listened to them.

Then it happened. I was shocked. The thought hadn't occured to me at all!

Meat Loaf's unreleased single edit of No Matter What had made this album!! The version of No Matter What without the Home By Now orchestral score pre and surfix! Excellent!!

Through some way or other, I think a MLUKFC Auction a while back. I had a copy of the Promo for No Matter What, so this was nothing of complete newness to me. But more of a great suprise. Someone at this record company chose Meat Loaf above the sure sales of Boyzone, and I would presume through quality alone, Meat pipped the irish boytrash to the post!!

If anyone is interested in the single edit, the album is good for other reasons and might well be worth a dabble. Maybe a few hints in the right places might see Santa get the picture and your stocking on Christmas morning with a strange square shape bulge in it!

Hope you don't mind me posting this! I was so shocked, I though people should know that if you want the single version of No Matter What! It's available!!!

Take care!!
Enjoy your concerts!
Alex

Oriel · 14 Dec 2003, 04:54

They probably would have to have paid Boyzone too much, so they decieded to go with Meat instead.

**The Flying Mouse** · 14 Dec 2003, 04:56

Meat's single version of No Matter What was also the b side of Is Nothing Sacred

Alex · 14 Dec 2003, 13:15

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Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Meat's single version of No Matter What was also the b side of Is Nothing Sacred

Oh yeah! That was silly of me. Can't believe I didn't remember that. :)

Ahh well! Still a good suprise as it might get non-Meat fans to appriciate that Meat's version is better than Boyzone. From what I remember at the time, even the critics who slated the Very Best Of, still complimented No Matter What as a superior version. :)

Boyzone cost too much, don't wanna believe thats the excuse.... because mine is better

LostSoul · 29 Dec 2003, 01:38

It's a weird song...

There's two parts.
The first half sounds like the extension of "Lost Boys and Golden Girls" and the second half sounds musical.

It's a very honorable song but too much pathos...
Meat's voice is already passionate, and passionate voice + sentimental lyrics = pathos!

5/10

LostSoul · 29 Dec 2003, 19:04

How many times did I post it?

Can anyone cancel it?

LostSoul · 18 Jan 2004, 04:06

Help!

meat loaf is my god · 28 Jan 2004, 22:59

its a class song in aleague of it own the boy zone veirson was cheesy

8/10

Sapphire Lady · 29 May 2006, 13:47

There's a cover of No Matter What on the new Def Leppard album Yeah! (it's all cover versions).

evil nickname · 29 May 2006, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sapphire Lady

There's a cover of No Matter What on the new Def Leppard album Yeah! (it's all cover versions).

Nope. Def Leppard covered the Badfinger song 'No Matter What'.

**RadioMaster** · 29 May 2006, 18:52

mixed emotions:
I really like the hbn part at the beginning and at the end, but the nmw part is horrible.
It might be a good song, but I knew the Boyzone version so much earlier. and (just imo) I HATE BOYZONE!!! (sorry to all fans).

It is also a very bad radio song, You can´t really play it.
The only two-parts-song that´s playable is Aquarius/Let the sunshine from the Hair musical (sung by "fifth dimension")

I decided to do something nearly blasphemic: I cut it!

I made two songs out of them.
So I got my personal Home by now, which I can listen to whenever I like, and the No matter what for my show, where I play a cover of a well known song each time. (Yes, I know that it is no cover)

6/10 just because of boyzone

AndrewG · 29 May 2006, 19:19

Yeah the Boyzone version is well cheesy. I do prefer Meat's rendition. However each time I listen to it I have this feeling the "Home by Now" bit is really building up to a climax. I would have preferred if Steinman was able to write a longer version of "Home by Now" and just have Meat sing that. That would have been Bat quality for sure I think. Still it is a good song and the first couple of minutes are a great start to Meat's greatest hits.

**RadioMaster** · 29 May 2006, 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musicman

Yeah the Boyzone version is well cheesy. I do prefer Meat's rendition. However each time I listen to it I have this feeling the "Home by Now" bit is really building up to a climax. I would have preferred if Steinman was able to write a longer version of "Home by Now" and just have Meat sing that. That would have been Bat quality for sure I think. Still it is a good song and the first couple of minutes are a great start to Meat's greatest hits.

I really CHSIB myself!

evil nickname · 29 May 2006, 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiomaster

(Yes, I know that it is no cover)

I'm going to disagree again: Boyzone's version (which is still the best version I've heard) was released first. So it is cover.

13 Dec 2003, 22:47	#37
Alex Ooh weee ooOOoh! Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: In the Land of the Manc's Posts: 445	No Matter What Suprises come in suprising packages! Rooting around through my mam's CD collection I stumbled across a current chart CD entitled "The Best Musicals Ever". Being highly cultured and sophisticated (hold back the sniggers a moment), I decided I should listen to it (If only for Time Warp ). Routing through there are the obvious choices on there, but I was I guess a little bit suprised to see that Jim Steinman had got himself a song on there!! Excellent! ... one might presume. But consider the possibilities when you find out that that song is actually No Matter What from the Whistle Down The Wind musical. Meat did a version of this, but when it got to the Very Best of Album, it was morphed with 'Home By Now' (much to it's benefit if you are interested in my opinion ). However, Boyzone's version made the 'Songs From Whistle Down The Wind' compilation above Meat's (we'll not talk about that atrocity (both in terms of how that was dealt with, and how it was sang)). There is one other version that I like though, and its to be found on the Cast CD, and its different words and changes that really add to the cute factor of it. A wonderful version! So I skiped on through until I hit the No Matter What track. And it started (sadly, there was no Orchestra, ruling out Meat Loaf's Home By Now/No Matter What version). It continued. I knew the cast version, and this didn't sound like that at all. 10 seconds had passed and I hadn't heard Ronan Keating do his Rolf Harris impressions yet. Maybe this wasn't boyzone afterall! (big relief!). I figured the people who had made the album would recover it, as they might had done for the other songs on the 2 CD set if I'd have listened to them. Then it happened. I was shocked. The thought hadn't occured to me at all! Meat Loaf's unreleased single edit of No Matter What had made this album!! The version of No Matter What without the Home By Now orchestral score pre and surfix! Excellent!! Through some way or other, I think a MLUKFC Auction a while back. I had a copy of the Promo for No Matter What, so this was nothing of complete newness to me. But more of a great suprise. Someone at this record company chose Meat Loaf above the sure sales of Boyzone, and I would presume through quality alone, Meat pipped the irish boytrash to the post!! If anyone is interested in the single edit, the album is good for other reasons and might well be worth a dabble. Maybe a few hints in the right places might see Santa get the picture and your stocking on Christmas morning with a strange square shape bulge in it! Hope you don't mind me posting this! I was so shocked, I though people should know that if you want the single version of No Matter What! It's available!!! Take care!! Enjoy your concerts! Alex

02 Dec 2003, 10:10	#26
rockfenris2005 Mega Loafer Join Date: 16.02.2003 Location: Posts: 2,217	When I heard it for the first time - on VERY BEST OF MEAT LOAF - I thought the album had (literally) transformed into BAT OUT OF HELL 3. This, IS NOTHING SACRED and A KISS are the most enchanting songs ML has done in the 90s - besides BAT 2. HOME BY NOW / NO MATTER WHAT is compelling. 1500 / 10 !!!

04 Dec 2003, 22:57	#27
needmoremeat Mega Loafer Join Date: 23.11.2003 Location: Sunderland, UK Posts: 1,416	BOYZONE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE THEM FOR DOING THAT SONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! USED TO LIKE THEM, WENT OFF THEM, DIDN'T LIKE NMW WHEN FIRST HEARD THEM DO IT, LATER FOUND OUT ABOUT MEAT DOING IT AND WAS SO PISSED OFF WITH THEM, EVEN MORE SO WHEN i HEARD MEAT'S VERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has anyone seen a production of Whistle Down The Wind? I've seen it twice at the Empire Theatre, and HBN/NMW is my fave part of the whole musical! The children are standing with the man bathed in yellow light singing the words we know from Meat's version, then the adults come on and are bathed in a red light while the children are put into darkness while the adults sing the different, sinister lyrics about tearing the man limb from limb, then they are plunged into darkness as the children are lit up again, and it alternates between the two. I had tears in my eyes watching it on Thursday 20th Nov. this year.

05 Dec 2003, 18:23	#31
Jayd If I could bust into hell....... I would Join Date: 13.06.2003 Location: Montclair, New Jersey Posts: 1,312	Far better than Boyzone, heard Meat's version also on the radio on holiday in Ibiza in 2000, so the spanish must prefer Meat's version too, 9/10.

05 Dec 2003, 23:12	#33
PanicLord Mega Loafer Join Date: 18.06.2003 Location: At The End Of The Line Posts: 2,651	Down with Boyzone!!! My girlfriend's mum says she thinks Meat's version lacks "edge"???? WHAT???? BOYZONE'S VERSION LACKS ANY REDEEMING FEATURE!!! Sorry about that...[Breathes deeply] Anyway, I love Meat's version, is so theatrical (SURPRISE huh?). 9.5/10.

06 Dec 2003, 00:41	#35
black dog Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,667	I have to confess that I like Boyzone's version of the song and was therefore quite surprised to see it on a Meat Loaf CD. I wondered how Meat Loaf would do this song and must admit I prefer it to the Boyzone version. You can feel the emotion when Meat Loaf sings the song, he just gives it so much more depth. 9/10 Shells

06 Dec 2003, 03:37	#36
evil nickname Guest Join Date: 19.04.2003 Posts: 2,238	Well, I like Boyzone's version is better. Big deal. I simply find Meat's version too "heavy" for the subject. For me, the song is about hope, faith and more "happy things". If I had to choose a way to convey in a song, I wouldn't prefer a sad, almost depressing ballad over an upbeat pop-song. Also, I don't like the way Meat's version is arranged. Look at the credits: Keyboards and Programming, with some backing vocals. There is no 'real' instrument involved... everything is from a box. And then you have the backing vocals (I don't like 'em. Lets keep it at that). Boyzone's version is, however, graced with real instruments (guitars mostly) - which I find to be a redeeming value for a song... In conclusion, it is all a matter of taste. I like Boyzone's version better than Meat's, and it seems to me I am hugely outnumbered. Big freakin' deal, right? Whatever rocks your boat :) Some say: you can't argue about taste. I say: discussing and argueing about taste can lead to different insights, so it can't be all bad.

14 Dec 2003, 04:54	#38
Oriel Senior Loafer Join Date: 14.04.2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 161	They probably would have to have paid Boyzone too much, so they decieded to go with Meat instead.

14 Dec 2003, 04:56	#39
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Meat's single version of No Matter What was also the b side of Is Nothing Sacred

29 Dec 2003, 01:38	#41
LostSoul Got metal? Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,109	It's a weird song... There's two parts. The first half sounds like the extension of "Lost Boys and Golden Girls" and the second half sounds musical. It's a very honorable song but too much pathos... Meat's voice is already passionate, and passionate voice + sentimental lyrics = pathos! 5/10

29 Dec 2003, 19:04	#42
LostSoul Got metal? Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,109	How many times did I post it? Can anyone cancel it?

18 Jan 2004, 04:06	#43
LostSoul Got metal? Join Date: 06.11.2003 Location: Switzerland Posts: 2,109	Help!

28 Jan 2004, 22:59	#44
meat loaf is my god Loafer Join Date: 19.01.2004 Location: worcester Posts: 94	its a class song in aleague of it own the boy zone veirson was cheesy 8/10

29 May 2006, 13:47	#45
Sapphire Lady Mega Loafer Join Date: 21.04.2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,213	There's a cover of No Matter What on the new Def Leppard album Yeah! (it's all cover versions).

29 May 2006, 18:52	#47
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	mixed emotions: I really like the hbn part at the beginning and at the end, but the nmw part is horrible. It might be a good song, but I knew the Boyzone version so much earlier. and (just imo) I HATE BOYZONE!!! (sorry to all fans). It is also a very bad radio song, You can´t really play it. The only two-parts-song that´s playable is Aquarius/Let the sunshine from the Hair musical (sung by "fifth dimension") I decided to do something nearly blasphemic: I cut it! I made two songs out of them. So I got my personal Home by now, which I can listen to whenever I like, and the No matter what for my show, where I play a cover of a well known song each time. (Yes, I know that it is no cover) 6/10 just because of boyzone

29 May 2006, 19:19	#48
AndrewG I hope your salmon sucks! Join Date: 18.01.2004 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 7,077	Yeah the Boyzone version is well cheesy. I do prefer Meat's rendition. However each time I listen to it I have this feeling the "Home by Now" bit is really building up to a climax. I would have preferred if Steinman was able to write a longer version of "Home by Now" and just have Meat sing that. That would have been Bat quality for sure I think. Still it is a good song and the first couple of minutes are a great start to Meat's greatest hits.