Thread name change discussion - Page 2

*AndyK* · 01 Dec 2006, 02:07

Well, it's reassuring to see people acknowleding that the team here do have a tricky job at times balancing everything, so thanks for that support guys. It's not always easy and often the grief often far outweighs the enjoyment, both online and in the real world sometimes.

End of the day we're all here for the same reason (or at least I hope so anyway). So, what if a thread title got edited? It's not as if we've sent a batch of forum members out to Iraq is it? A sense of perspective and reality needs to be regained by some.

Pudding · 01 Dec 2006, 02:28

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Originally Posted by AndyK

End of the day we're all here for the same reason (or at least I hope so anyway).

I was here for the porn and I'm still waiting

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Originally Posted by AndyK

So, what if a thread title got edited?

Actually it matters a lot.

The title of the thread in question had been the same for a couple of weeks without change from the mods or without question by some members, not until Meat posted in it. If the title of the thread bothered people that much and not the content in it then they should have spoken up a lot sooner and not wait till the big guy posted in it.

It's easy to be a sheep but not a shepherd

C'mon bring on the funnies

Pud

Bohemian · 01 Dec 2006, 04:39

Frankly I am astounded that this discussion is taking palce. It seems like an awful long time coming, as every other time this discussion has arisen it has not been moved and replanted elsewhere, it's just been deleted and people BANNED.

Long time members too. Just for suggesting that the way people flock around here catering to little Meat Loaf soundbites is rediculous. If you wanna write CHSIB after every thing meat says and after every time someone says how sexy Meat Loaf is in that HI-RES photo that some dweeb who knows nothing about bandwidth posted then it isn't a discussion at all.

And ever since the Mods at this place put catering to Meat Loaf popping in every five months or so, posting six mildly ill-informed lines and then disappearing again instead of catering to the governing of discussion by the members this place ceased to be a proper discussion board.

Don't get me wrong, I've come to take this place for what it is and not to expect any different from that which it offers. But for actual discussion of facts or, shock, OPINIONS this just is NOT the place to do it -- end of story.

Ironically this place has more members now than it ever did when I used to linger round trying to talk about the rumours of the mythical bat 3 that might come out after Testify was released, in the days before rolling out the red carpet for meat wasn't the highest priority. So hell this sort of place obviously floats SOMEBODY's boats.

L96 · 01 Dec 2006, 10:30

Basically, it as an attention getting thread title. It had what, 5 pages of responses that didn't consist solely of "CHSIB" and "right you are" and "agreed". Very refreshing.

Gosh, it was nearly... a discussion. Imagine that.

Then Meat interprets it (incorrectly) as an attack, has a hissy fit, and all of a sudden, half of the participants of the discussion protest about the title. The very same title that intrigued them enough to enter the thread and share their opinions in the first place.

Frankly, a thread title needs to be interesting to get people to read it, let alone reply. "Chart position and discussion" is not as thrilling as "Bat III: flying or crash landing?" to me.

So there.

Kev · 01 Dec 2006, 11:11

I still don't think there was anything wrong with the title and I'm not overly arsed about the subject being edited. The first comment was more tongue in cheek rather than an 'attack' at R. It was a bit gay, but nothing to lose sleep over.

Meats sulk did split the topic into another discussion and I think they were right to make a new topic.

It is annoying how many members suddlenly jump to the 'defence' of Mr. Loaf, when there was nothing really much to defend in the first place. He had a sulk (clearly without reading all 8 pages first) and decided that we all hate him and he's taking his ball elsewhere.

I've nothing but respect for Meat as an artist etc, but he does seem to give us more stick than anything else on here. I know he thanks us etc and its really cool that he takes the time to post here and that is appreciated.

You don't get that elsewhere, I don't think for a second you'd get Robbie on his forum or anyone else and I supposed a certain degree of bum licking is needed to keep that happening.

The good thing is, the mods have let this discussion run AND it's staying here, not spilling over into other topics.

Kev · 01 Dec 2006, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Lucy!

As for "Stalin strikes again" well that's yet another prime example of the childish attitudes on what I thought was an adult-majoriy forum.

Only just seen this one, could I please point you to...

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Originally Posted by R.

Please note: This post should be at the start of this thread, but I can't manage that without messing with the database. To make this perfectly clear, this thread is a split of the former "Bat 3 done with it already?" thread. Although icwuke appears as the thread starter, it was named and started by me.

Thank You

Mike Piercy · 01 Dec 2006, 11:25

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Originally Posted by Deb

Just another thing I'd like to add. I really do feel for R and Diane. They really can't win here. Meat tells them he wont visit the site and will not give them things if they dont censor people and on the other hand they get fans calling them how heavy handed they are (and thats putting it mildly)

Deb

Could you explain this paragraph please Deb. Please understand that I'm not trying to be provocative with you but I've recently resigned from the MLUKFC Management Team (effective 21 November 2006) and was unaware up to that date that Meat to quote you "tells them he he won't visit the site and will not give them things if they don't censor people".

I'm very surprised and disappointed if this is the case because it was never discussed with me!

Is this really true? Do you know something I didn't up to 21 November? Is this why people's posts are being censored/edited and a new infraction system introduced?

Mike

LucyK! · 01 Dec 2006, 11:33

Fair play Kev, I misread R's post, my apologies.

Deb · 01 Dec 2006, 11:38

Mike that was my interpretation of what Meat said in the thread this one got split from. Nothing more or nothing less. It just saved me going back and looking for it amongst all the other posts thats all. Or maybe I should of said like some others have 'Meat threatened to take his ball home. I just didn't want to have to put it quite like that. As I do see it slightly deeper than that on Meats part and after all he is only human like all of us.

Just went and found it to avoid confusion...

Meat said he was trying to work some stuff out for the tour... (IE the give them things)

Then... I keep saying I wont come back..... (IE Meat says he wont visit the site. I've read words to this effect on more than just this occasion I'm sure)

Deb

*AndyK* · 01 Dec 2006, 11:50

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Originally Posted by Mike Piercy

Is this why people's posts are being censored/edited and a new infraction system introduced?

No, and you know that Mike.

And anything that Meat was thinking, was as far as I'm aware just his thoughts ... if he's wanting to work something out for the tour with this site, then great, but at the moment no one knows what (if anything) that is

Mike Piercy · 01 Dec 2006, 12:13

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Originally Posted by AndyK

No, and you know that Mike.

And anything that Meat was thinking, was as far as I'm aware just his thoughts ... if he's wanting to work something out for the tour with this site, then great, but at the moment no one knows what (if anything) that is

Well someone seems to know things I didn't Andy!

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Dec 2006, 12:40

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Originally Posted by RadioMaster

Why are we all acting like we´re in 18th century france

We're not, they didn't have the net then

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Originally Posted by Deb

You may think it's all about keeping Mr Loaf happy so we get inside info and gossip. But i'm sure that isn't what the mods or many of us feel. I'm sure the mods here do it out of respect for a man they admire and a man that they give up their spare time for tirelessly do this site. And for what. To get comments like your Stalin one back at them.

Thanks Deb.
Apreciated

What the staff do here, they do for the love of the loaf.
I'm sure the rest of the staff, like me, look at this as a way of giving something back to an artist who has given us much.
To tell the truth, moderation can be a real pain in the backside at times

and sometimes the forum seems more like work than anything else, but by and large it's still a place I like to come to and talk to people with a common interest.

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Originally Posted by Mick Loaf

One of the others was that Meat visits and posts here. I love that he's
able to be so close and in touch with his fans and I think that, if Meat
finds something OTT (which I thought the title in question was) the mods
SHOULD use their best judgement.
R did this and, as he said, he didn't lock the thread because the content
was an excellent ongoing discussion and debate about BAT III.
So let's continue the quality discussions and give the mods. little to do
except the chance to be moderate.

I agree with Mick.
It IS pretty special that an artist visits a fan site that is dedicated to him.
OK, this puts an extra load on the moderators, but it's well worth it.
After all, would you wish to visit your own fan club to be told you suck?

So we DO need to take Meat into certain consideration at times, however I do feel it's neccersary to point out that Meat is in no way involved in the moderation process of this site.
He has no moderation powers, no say in how the site is run, and is not consulted over any moderation points on the forum.

All we can do as mods is to try to make this site a respectful and welcoming place for the artist, and for the fans.

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Originally Posted by mszee

I thought Stalin was dead???

Don't tell everyone

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Originally Posted by Pudding

I was here for the porn and I'm still waiting

OK OK OK, i'll go get my garter belt

But us mods don't shake our money makers till we have your paypal details

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Originally Posted by Bohemian

And ever since the Mods at this place put catering to Meat Loaf popping in every five months or so, posting six mildly ill-informed lines and then disappearing again instead of catering to the governing of discussion by the members this place ceased to be a proper discussion board.

Don't get me wrong, I've come to take this place for what it is and not to expect any different from that which it offers. But for actual discussion of facts or, shock, OPINIONS this just is NOT the place to do it -- end of story.

Then don't try to have a discussion here.

If it's not the place to do it, then LEAVE.

THAT is the "end of story".

We are NOT putting guns to peoples heads and telling them to visit/post on this forum.
If you don't like how the forum is run, or the rules of the forum, then you don't have to come here.

It really is that simple.

One final thought.

Well we've been called the Meat Loaf Gestapo in the past, and the Meat Loaf Stalin Squad so far, so can someone please

tell me which one we are as it's costing me a fecking fortune in uniforms

Mike Piercy · 01 Dec 2006, 14:08

(said in jest - honestly)

How about
Putin's puppets?
or
Polonium perpetrators?

Bohemian · 01 Dec 2006, 14:48

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Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Then don't try to have a discussion here.

If it's not the place to do it, then LEAVE.

THAT is the "end of story".

We are NOT putting guns to peoples heads and telling them to visit/post on this forum.
If you don't like how the forum is run, or the rules of the forum, then you don't have to come here.

It really is that simple.

I trust you read my post carefully before coming out all guns blazing, so I trust you read that part in which I cearly said that I have come to expect nothing different to that which this board has to offer.

And that is what I am here for. Not to have discussion, I do that elsewhere. Stop attempting to treat me like an idiot, however well it suits you.

**Monstro** · 01 Dec 2006, 14:58

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Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Well we've been called the Meat Loaf Gestapo in the past, and the Meat Loaf Stalin Squad so far, so can someone please

tell me which one we are as it's costing me a fecking fortune in uniforms

Did they wear rather unusual green jackets as well?????????

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Dec 2006, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Bohemian

I trust you read my post carefully before coming out all guns blazing, so I trust you read that part in which I cearly said that I have come to expect nothing different to that which this board has to offer.

And that is what I am here for. Not to have discussion, I do that elsewhere. Stop attempting to treat me like an idiot, however well it suits you.

Yes I did read your post.
I tend to do that before I reply

Guns blazing?

Anyone else see guns blazing?

I merely pointed out that if you don't like it here, you don't like the rules here, you don't like the staff here, you don't like Meat is given certain consideration here, you don't like what's said here, you don't like what's not said here, then this probablly isn't the place for you.

This is not called "all guns blazing" it's common sence.

You don't like the forum, fair enough, no hard feelings, you don't have to come here.

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Originally Posted by Monstro

Did they wear rather unusual green jackets as well?????????

Only the extra extra fascist faction

You wait until "The Pink Pliers" arrive

Mike Piercy · 01 Dec 2006, 16:37

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Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

:

You wait until "The Pink Pliers" arrive

... and very fetching they'll look I'm sure!

djfierce · 01 Dec 2006, 17:08

Don't worry Neil, i'm sure it will suit you as much as the green one

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Dec 2006, 17:11

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Originally Posted by djfierce

Don't worry Neil, i'm sure it will suit you as much as the green one

That jacket has gone down in forum folklore

100 years from now, people will gather round the campfire, their laptops on their.......................laps, and they will sing of the mods green jacket

Immortality has been achieved

.

mszee · 01 Dec 2006, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

That jacket has gone down in forum folklore

100 years from now, people will gather round the campfire, their laptops on their.......................laps, and they will sing of the mods green jacket

Immortality has been achieved

.

Can I get a matching one for Wembley? This way EVERYBODY will know who I am...hahahahahahaha...well, virtually speaking...

djfierce · 01 Dec 2006, 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

That jacket has gone down in forum folklore

100 years from now, people will gather round the campfire, their laptops on their.......................laps, and they will sing of the mods green jacket

Immortality has been achieved

.

That will be folklore itself......laptops on LAPS .....whoever thought of such a thing

Well that will be two trends you have started then

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Dec 2006, 17:39

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Originally Posted by mszee

Can I get a matching one for Wembley? This way EVERYBODY will know who I am...hahahahahahaha...well, virtually speaking...

Green wedding dress?

.

mszee · 01 Dec 2006, 17:40

And it looks to me like Stalin has retreated and Monty Python took over...

mszee · 01 Dec 2006, 17:40

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Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Green wedding dress?

.

NOT ON YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Lime green? Just checking...

**The Flying Mouse** · 01 Dec 2006, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by djfierce

That will be folklore itself......laptops on LAPS .....whoever thought of such a thing

Well that will be two trends you have started then

Well how about normal jackets and green laptops?

No, would never work, we'd only get the laptop confused for a really big lime green ipod

01 Dec 2006, 02:07	#26
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Well, it's reassuring to see people acknowleding that the team here do have a tricky job at times balancing everything, so thanks for that support guys. It's not always easy and often the grief often far outweighs the enjoyment, both online and in the real world sometimes. End of the day we're all here for the same reason (or at least I hope so anyway). So, what if a thread title got edited? It's not as if we've sent a batch of forum members out to Iraq is it? A sense of perspective and reality needs to be regained by some.

01 Dec 2006, 04:39	#28
Bohemian Super Loafer Join Date: 14.11.2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 496	Frankly I am astounded that this discussion is taking palce. It seems like an awful long time coming, as every other time this discussion has arisen it has not been moved and replanted elsewhere, it's just been deleted and people BANNED. Long time members too. Just for suggesting that the way people flock around here catering to little Meat Loaf soundbites is rediculous. If you wanna write CHSIB after every thing meat says and after every time someone says how sexy Meat Loaf is in that HI-RES photo that some dweeb who knows nothing about bandwidth posted then it isn't a discussion at all. And ever since the Mods at this place put catering to Meat Loaf popping in every five months or so, posting six mildly ill-informed lines and then disappearing again instead of catering to the governing of discussion by the members this place ceased to be a proper discussion board. Don't get me wrong, I've come to take this place for what it is and not to expect any different from that which it offers. But for actual discussion of facts or, shock, OPINIONS this just is NOT the place to do it -- end of story. Ironically this place has more members now than it ever did when I used to linger round trying to talk about the rumours of the mythical bat 3 that might come out after Testify was released, in the days before rolling out the red carpet for meat wasn't the highest priority. So hell this sort of place obviously floats SOMEBODY's boats.

01 Dec 2006, 10:30	#29
L96 Inaugural goldfish winner Join Date: 04.07.2005 Location: In a handbasket. Believe me, for someone my height, it's hell... Posts: 2,373	Basically, it as an attention getting thread title. It had what, 5 pages of responses that didn't consist solely of "CHSIB" and "right you are" and "agreed". Very refreshing. Gosh, it was nearly... a discussion. Imagine that. Then Meat interprets it (incorrectly) as an attack, has a hissy fit, and all of a sudden, half of the participants of the discussion protest about the title. The very same title that intrigued them enough to enter the thread and share their opinions in the first place. Frankly, a thread title needs to be interesting to get people to read it, let alone reply. "Chart position and discussion" is not as thrilling as "Bat III: flying or crash landing?" to me. So there.

01 Dec 2006, 11:11	#30
Kev Just Kev Join Date: 01.06.2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,856	I still don't think there was anything wrong with the title and I'm not overly arsed about the subject being edited. The first comment was more tongue in cheek rather than an 'attack' at R. It was a bit gay, but nothing to lose sleep over. Meats sulk did split the topic into another discussion and I think they were right to make a new topic. It is annoying how many members suddlenly jump to the 'defence' of Mr. Loaf, when there was nothing really much to defend in the first place. He had a sulk (clearly without reading all 8 pages first) and decided that we all hate him and he's taking his ball elsewhere. I've nothing but respect for Meat as an artist etc, but he does seem to give us more stick than anything else on here. I know he thanks us etc and its really cool that he takes the time to post here and that is appreciated. You don't get that elsewhere, I don't think for a second you'd get Robbie on his forum or anyone else and I supposed a certain degree of bum licking is needed to keep that happening. The good thing is, the mods have let this discussion run AND it's staying here, not spilling over into other topics.

01 Dec 2006, 11:33	#33
LucyK! The Monster Is Luce Join Date: 14.04.2002 Location: Posts: 7,547	Fair play Kev, I misread R's post, my apologies.

01 Dec 2006, 11:38	#34
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Mike that was my interpretation of what Meat said in the thread this one got split from. Nothing more or nothing less. It just saved me going back and looking for it amongst all the other posts thats all. Or maybe I should of said like some others have 'Meat threatened to take his ball home. I just didn't want to have to put it quite like that. As I do see it slightly deeper than that on Meats part and after all he is only human like all of us. Just went and found it to avoid confusion... Meat said he was trying to work some stuff out for the tour... (IE the give them things) Then... I keep saying I wont come back..... (IE Meat says he wont visit the site. I've read words to this effect on more than just this occasion I'm sure) Deb

01 Dec 2006, 14:08	#38
Mike Piercy cat out of hell Join Date: 20.10.2003 Location: With the black cat where the rubber meets the road Posts: 618	(said in jest - honestly) How about Putin's puppets? or Polonium perpetrators?

01 Dec 2006, 17:08	#43
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	Don't worry Neil, i'm sure it will suit you as much as the green one

01 Dec 2006, 17:40	#48
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	And it looks to me like Stalin has retreated and Monty Python took over...