Ban - Page 2

White of High · 02 Dec 2006, 15:12

Something wrong in democracy!
Sorry guys... imagine you into my situation. YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR OPINION DOWN!!! If you write a poem and put it on an internet site before it's released and somebody says he doesn't like this poem... will you delete this qute? Or vica-versa... if you'd been deleted because of this... hmmm???
That's crazy...

mszee · 02 Dec 2006, 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

Something wrong in democracy!
Sorry guys... imagine you into my situation. YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR OPINION DOWN!!! If you write a poem and put it on an internet site before it's released and somebody says he doesn't like this poem... will you delete this qute? Or vica-versa... if you'd been deleted because of this... hmmm???
That's crazy...

You're from Hungary...I am from what used to be Soviet Union...

I felt the way you feel for a while once I've joined this forum. People from Eastern European block treasure freedom of speech and democracy like no one in the world.

I am now in America...freedom of speech is supposed to be my right...but you know what? Freedom of speech as we understand it doesn't even exist here...

However...you still don't want to understand the main point here...something that it took me some time to understand but I did.

1. This is a private forum - this is not free for all.

2. This forum has rules which you can see right on the front page. They are not hidden somewhere to mislead you. It does say...read first or something to that effect. If you've read these rules and didn't agree with them - which is your right, you shouldn't have signed up as a member of this forum. Thus, you would have exercised your freedom of choice.

3. Once you have decided to sign up - if there are rules - you do have to obey them. It is true for anything in life. You can't be part of the society and be free of it. You do obey rules and laws of your country. So it is not such a huge stretch of imagination that forum might have certain rules.

4. This forum is part of the Meat Loaf fan club. So, in fact, most people here, if not all, are Meat Loaf fans. What can be more rewarding to a fan than to have their idol visiting the site and actually participating in discussions? Therefore, admins and mods of this forum are MORE conscious of the content of this forum then they might have been if ML never visited it...

5. If you still don't understand this...which you were told already numerous times...don't think anybody can help...however, I think you might be getting a message that you will not be supported by many here in your quest for so-called truth...and you willl not appear to be a martyr and/or a victim.

You were given rules...you broke them...you were punished...you served your time...you were let out and accepted back into the society...how is this different from what is going on in everyday life?

The main point is...you were accepted back into the society...make the best of it...

**Monstro** · 02 Dec 2006, 15:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

Something wrong in democracy!
Sorry guys... imagine you into my situation. YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR OPINION DOWN!!! If you write a poem and put it on an internet site before it's released and somebody says he doesn't like this poem... will you delete this qute? Or vica-versa... if you'd been deleted because of this... hmmm???
That's crazy...

This is a privately owned site, it's not a democracy. To use the site you agree to abide by the (very few) rules.

The choice is yours and no-one elses, if you don't like the rules you don't use the site - simple.

mszee · 02 Dec 2006, 15:33

And one more thing...

There is nothing wrong with democracy...there is something VERY wrong with YOUR understanding of what democracy is/supposed to be.

You're definitely confusing democracy with anarchy...

geordieloaf · 02 Dec 2006, 15:36

Just let it go and get on with enjoying the site.
Life really is to short.

MSZEE - you just reminded me of one of my fav song's Anarchy in the uk, must go and listen to that now cheers.

CarylB · 02 Dec 2006, 15:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

And one more thing...

There is nothing wrong with democracy...there is something VERY wrong with YOUR understanding of what democracy is/supposed to be.

You're definitely confusing democracy with anarchy...

Exactly so .. and as mszee said in her earlier post mszee:
"You were given rules...you broke them...you were punished...you served your time...you were let out and accepted back into the society...how is this different from what is going on in everyday life?

The main point is...you were accepted back into the society...make the best of it..."

And please .. give it a rest!! It was more how you expressed your view than merely the view itself. You aren't seen here as some burning martyr to the cause of "free speech".

If that's how you feel .. we can't stop you, so feel it by all means .. but please don't keep waving it like a banner in here.

If you can't get over it and move on I'm sorry .. but it's not something I want to keep hearing about. Others, including myself, will have experienced things we feel unjust .. but we move on. Life's too short to keep prodding at the scars .. and scabs which are continually picked at just won't heal. Shove a plaster on yours and as mszee says .. move on ..

Caryl

mszee · 02 Dec 2006, 16:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by geordieloaf

Just let it go and get on with enjoying the site.
Life really is to short.

MSZEE - you just reminded me of one of my fav song's Anarchy in the uk, must go and listen to that now cheers.

Enjoy!

White of High · 02 Dec 2006, 18:34

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

**The Flying Mouse** · 02 Dec 2006, 18:39

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Originally Posted by White of High

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

Not on this thread

djfierce · 02 Dec 2006, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

I'm not crazy about Land of the Pigs. I've tried hard to like it but i just don't, If i'm honest i skip past it when i'm playing the album. Absolutely the ONLY song i don't care much for. I know others think its one of the best and thats fine but its not for me.

Done!!

I think you and i both know i wont get banned for that

djfierce · 02 Dec 2006, 18:43

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Originally Posted by THE FLYING MOUSE

Not on this thread

Soz Neil must have been posting same time as you
But i wont change it just to prove there are ways of putting things

**RadioMaster** · 02 Dec 2006, 18:58

Actually, and I´m sure many people will yell at me now, democracy is overrated. (On the internet).
This forum IS not a democracy, that´s right, otherwise everytime when a post is edited/deleted people are banned/etc. there must have been a poll. But that didnt happen.
This forum doesnt have to decide about peoples lives, etc. so that there would be a democracy needed.
You´re just talking about freedom of speech an pluralism, that´s good and it is happening here. If your expressing your opinion IN A SUITABLE WAY, then nobody will complain. It´s the same in real life, if you go to your marketplace at 3 o clock in the morning and scream your opinion to all the sleeping people in your city and wake them up, you´ll surely get in jail.
All in all it´s just a matter of the suitable form.
right?

**allrevvedup** · 02 Dec 2006, 19:42

If i were insulting to a person in here i would expect to be banned from the place...now maybe i'm missing something but having checked the message that white of high was sposed to be banned for,to say you prefer celine dion's version is not a bad thing for me...i think i've posted before that in my opinion it's all coming back to me now is a song more suited to a woman and that's after hearing the other two versions.

I also feel the same way about original sin, there's certain song that just work for some and not for others, but to tell me i cant think that sounds a bit crazy. Yes there are terms and conditions in order to post here but can anyone honestly say that they read every single term and condition when they sign up for things online, like email accounts etc? I think the brain would explode if that's all we did.

I admire anyone who wants to try and run a place like this, i really do because it's not easy putting up with the wide range of personalities that are on here. I just think there's banning offences like the guy on the rockman board who slagged the crap out of jim steinman, while pretending to be Desmond Child and then there's opinion.

djfierce · 02 Dec 2006, 19:44

I think the average person delivers their opinion sensibly though

**allrevvedup** · 02 Dec 2006, 19:52

you calling me average?

djfierce · 02 Dec 2006, 20:21

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

you calling me average?

Well if i'm calling you average then you must also be sensible hmmm
Your choice

**allrevvedup** · 02 Dec 2006, 21:58

i'll just choose both

mszee · 02 Dec 2006, 23:31

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup

i'll just choose both

I am neither...

djfierce · 03 Dec 2006, 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by mszee

I am neither...

Oh well, we'll just have to ban you then

mszee · 03 Dec 2006, 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by djfierce

Oh well, we'll just have to ban you then

Who - we???

**allrevvedup** · 03 Dec 2006, 11:59

the collective, resistance is futile!

**RadioMaster** · 03 Dec 2006, 12:16

the borg

**allrevvedup** · 03 Dec 2006, 13:46

i always thought the best way for the borg to torture capt picard would've been to rub sandpaper on his bald head...but anyway back to the topic

LucyK! · 04 Dec 2006, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by White of High

Then let's go!
Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

You're missing the point. You could have posted your opinions about the colour of your socks and you'd still have been banned. You broke rules, you were warned, you broke them again, you were banned. Deal with it.

JanT · 04 Dec 2006, 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by allrevvedup

i always thought the best way for the borg to torture capt picard would've been to rub sandpaper on his bald head...but anyway back to the topic

roflmao

02 Dec 2006, 15:12	#26
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Something wrong in democracy! Sorry guys... imagine you into my situation. YOU CAN'T WRITE YOUR OPINION DOWN!!! If you write a poem and put it on an internet site before it's released and somebody says he doesn't like this poem... will you delete this qute? Or vica-versa... if you'd been deleted because of this... hmmm??? That's crazy...

02 Dec 2006, 15:33	#29
mszee Mega Loafer Join Date: 29.03.2006 Location: And you think you're down under??? Posts: 26,252	And one more thing... There is nothing wrong with democracy...there is something VERY wrong with YOUR understanding of what democracy is/supposed to be. You're definitely confusing democracy with anarchy...

02 Dec 2006, 15:36	#30
geordieloaf Can't You See My Faded Geordie Jeans Bursting Apart Join Date: 25.10.2006 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,360	Just let it go and get on with enjoying the site. Life really is to short. MSZEE - you just reminded me of one of my fav song's Anarchy in the uk, must go and listen to that now cheers.

02 Dec 2006, 18:34	#33
White of High Nature's Siegfried Join Date: 27.05.2002 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 2,930	Then let's go! Try to say your negative opinion about a song... let's go!!!

02 Dec 2006, 18:58	#37
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	Actually, and I´m sure many people will yell at me now, democracy is overrated. (On the internet). This forum IS not a democracy, that´s right, otherwise everytime when a post is edited/deleted people are banned/etc. there must have been a poll. But that didnt happen. This forum doesnt have to decide about peoples lives, etc. so that there would be a democracy needed. You´re just talking about freedom of speech an pluralism, that´s good and it is happening here. If your expressing your opinion IN A SUITABLE WAY, then nobody will complain. It´s the same in real life, if you go to your marketplace at 3 o clock in the morning and scream your opinion to all the sleeping people in your city and wake them up, you´ll surely get in jail. All in all it´s just a matter of the suitable form. right?

02 Dec 2006, 19:42	#38
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	If i were insulting to a person in here i would expect to be banned from the place...now maybe i'm missing something but having checked the message that white of high was sposed to be banned for,to say you prefer celine dion's version is not a bad thing for me...i think i've posted before that in my opinion it's all coming back to me now is a song more suited to a woman and that's after hearing the other two versions. I also feel the same way about original sin, there's certain song that just work for some and not for others, but to tell me i cant think that sounds a bit crazy. Yes there are terms and conditions in order to post here but can anyone honestly say that they read every single term and condition when they sign up for things online, like email accounts etc? I think the brain would explode if that's all we did. I admire anyone who wants to try and run a place like this, i really do because it's not easy putting up with the wide range of personalities that are on here. I just think there's banning offences like the guy on the rockman board who slagged the crap out of jim steinman, while pretending to be Desmond Child and then there's opinion.

02 Dec 2006, 19:44	#39
djfierce Mega Loafer Join Date: 15.06.2005 Location: Posts: 3,596	I think the average person delivers their opinion sensibly though

02 Dec 2006, 19:52	#40
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	you calling me average?

02 Dec 2006, 21:58	#42
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	i'll just choose both

03 Dec 2006, 11:59	#46
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	the collective, resistance is futile!

03 Dec 2006, 12:16	#47
RadioMaster The German Join Date: 11.03.2006 Location: some kind of hunting lodge for rich weirdos... Posts: 15,778	the borg

03 Dec 2006, 13:46	#48
allrevvedup "Most things that i worry about, never happen anyway" Join Date: 29.11.2003 Location: Liverpool Posts: 5,351	i always thought the best way for the borg to torture capt picard would've been to rub sandpaper on his bald head...but anyway back to the topic