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[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by Sebastian.

The only reason I download bootlegs is there is no official release I'd happily spend money. Now Bruce has started releasing official recording I'll happily buy them. Especially with how well priced they are.

I'm perfectly fine with downloading bootlegs for free (not official releases). The ones Andrew was referring to are the same recordings that one can get for free (if you know where to look ) that are being sold through a legal loophole- I won't pay for those. So they print out some artwork and put it in a case- I can do that myself.

[Adje]

Basically that's what bootlegs are. Alternatives when there is no official release. They should be shared/given among fans.

I have a load of Meat boots but none from a complete deadringer show. I would love to have one. Last year I was offered one for money. Absolutely affordable. It's against my principles though, so today I still have none.

[Sebastian.]

Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror

I'm perfectly fine with downloading bootlegs for free (not official releases). The ones Andrew was referring to are the same recordings that one can get for free (if you know where to look ) that are being sold through a legal loophole- I won't pay for those. So they print out some artwork and put it in a case- I can do that myself.

Oh I have no problem downloading boots either, see my iTunes! I just love that Bruce is chucking high quality recordings out.

[Guy]

Sprouts
8*/

[Guy]

Brandy Trifle
8*0

[Guy]

Blue Stilton
:->

[duke knooby]

I'm really in the mood to get an e36, it's been 10 years since I last had one.

[tonyloaf]

New bailyes is lush

[Yevonda]

Originally Posted by tonyloaf

FFY go sit in the local depression centre , it's the same as one of Adele's concerts and much cheaper :) :) :)

Haha, that is hilarious!!

[GenoJLaw]

Well GnR is confirmed for Coachella with a possible 25 Stadium tour.

[tonyloaf]

Dublin on the 2nd

[Sebastian.]

Originally Posted by tonyloaf

Dublin on the 2nd

If I win my darts bet I'll come over.

[duke knooby]

ticketmaster is a pain in the arse

[tonyloaf]

Who want to meet me in Dublin ??? 2nd

[Guy]

Originally Posted by tonyloaf

Who want to meet me in Dublin ??? 2nd

Wheres my Mulberry handbag?

[tonyloaf]

On the case !

[duke knooby]

thank god for good mates

i was rescued last night at some time around 2.30 am

and he says that's the most drunk he's ever seen me lol

[BostonAngel]

Very happy I got tix yesterday to see Meat at the Lynn Auditorium on March 23rd. I was"FORCED" (LOL) to buy VIP seats since all the good seats sold super fast for the venue Fan Club presale. Tix go on sale to the general public today - if there are left. It is a very small venue - just over 2000 seats. At least I do have good seats.

[GenoJLaw]

Originally Posted by BostonAngel

Very happy I got tix yesterday to see Meat at the Lynn Auditorium on March 23rd. I was"FORCED" (LOL) to buy VIP seats since all the good seats sold super fast for the venue Fan Club presale. Tix go on sale to the general public today - if there are left. It is a very small venue - just over 2000 seats. At least I do have good seats.

I was told by members of my family that we will not be getting VIP the next time we go see Meat. Which bums me out as I really enjoyed my seat at the Seneca Alleghany Casino but they were not happy when I told them they had too fork over $200 to me cause I got VIP. But I do understand the items we got for VIP was a little underwhelming but it was exciting to have VIP for a Meat show.

Glad you got seats and the show should be great I will be hoping for a Buffalo show to get added the NY shows that are listed are 7-8 hours dives for me so wont be going to those shows.

[GenoJLaw]

http://www.theleadsports.com/the-sur...er-a-kobe-fan/

I hate Basketball but what StubHub did to this Kobe fan is not right. Please read and share. I would also ask everyone to stop using StubHub but I can't tell you what to do. Thanks

[Julie in the rv mirror]

Originally Posted by GenoJLaw

http://www.theleadsports.com/the-sur...er-a-kobe-fan/

I hate Basketball but what StubHub did to this Kobe fan is not right. Please read and share. I would also ask everyone to stop using StubHub but I can't tell you what to do. Thanks

Everyone loves to blame and hate StubHub, and I do think they might have done more for the guy in this situation just in the name of good customer service, but the real bad guy in this scenario is the original seller. StubHub DOES NOT sell tickets. They are the the facilitator of the sales, and for this they charge a fee. They also offer their "Fan Protect" Guarantee, which people really need to understand. The most StubHub is really obligated to do is refund your money, which in this case, they did (plus gave him $250 in coupons).

I can understand the buyer being pissed- I would be too. However, one needs to understand how the secondary market works. Unless you buy tickets from the original issuer (Ticketmaster, etc.), nothing is ever truly guaranteed.

My guess of what happened in this situation is that the seller was speculating on the tickets, meaning that they didn't truly have them in hand, but listed and "sold" them, believing that they could supply the tickets later, presumably after they purchased them elsewhere for a lower price. Professional brokers usually have a good idea beforehand of what they can get. While this is technically against StubHub's policies, they can't realistically verify if every single seller has tickets in hand, and probably wouldn't anyway. You need to watch Stubhub listings, to see if they mention a specific seat number, or just a row; also, listings that state tickets will be delivered at a later date indicate that some speculation might be happening. Or, perhaps the seller changed their mind after prices went up. But in either case, Stubhub's policy is that the tickets that are delivered have to be as listed, and if not, the buyer can either keep the tickets or request a refund. Since the the seller hadn't actually delivered the tickets to the buyer yet, I'll bet they used that policy as an out (stating they made a mistake in the listing and couldn't deliver the tickets) to renege on the deal. Stubhub could have "bought" comparable seats for the buyer and eaten the money, but they are not obligated to do so. Sucks for the buyer, but that's the reality of it.

I'll admit to buying tickets on StubHub, and sometimes I've gotten really good deals, while other times I've paid over face. It works both ways. But you have to understand the market and how it works. I do think their fees are pretty high, but I also like knowing that if there's a show that I really want to go to and get shut-out, I still have an option to get in where I know that the worst that could happen is I don't get into the show, but at least I will get my money back if that happens. Scalpers have always existed and will continue to exist. It's easy to say don't buy from them, but somebody always will,* and I'm not selfless enough to take one for the team if I want to see a show that badly (sorry, not sorry). StubHub is the big boy on the block (and technically not brokers/scalpers themselves) so they get all the bad press, but it's a much safer way to go than any of the hundreds (or thousands) of brokers and scam artists that are out there.

My guess is that this buyer is going so public with this story in the hopes of getting some attention and possibly getting seats from Lakers or some other sympathetic individuals for his trouble.

*I have heard that there was a verified sale of two tickets to a Springsteen show at MSG selling for $3,000 each- clearly, some people have so much money that they just don't care.

[Guy]

Chairboys.
Come on.......its only Villa!!
:0)

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by Guy

Chairboys.
Come on.......its only Villa!!
:0)

I thought you would be a Chairboy for the day!
Back us for the replay.

[duke knooby]

ever so tired

[anotherday]

Is it JUST ME or is the VIP EXPERIENCE a little underwhelming for what you get BESIDES the concert seat?