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[duke knooby]

i'm surprised the government is making it difficult to take my money to tax this shed of a car

[melon]

I think one of the people I work with has a split personality, and issues with control ha ha...

[duke knooby]

E36 oversteers on wet roundabouts much easier than I remembered

[melon]

Jimmy Barnes book signing? Yes.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by melon

Jimmy Barnes book signing? Yes.

About 17 years ago I went to a book signing by Stephen King. I was super hyped and super excited! So excited that, after the signing, I forgot to take my book and came home without it. I was devestated (still am when I think back of it)

Never had the chance again, never got my book back.

[melon]

Originally Posted by Adje

About 17 years ago I went to a book signing by Stephen King. I was super hyped and super excited! So excited that, after the signing, I forgot to take my book and came home without it. I was devestated (still am when I think back of it)

Never had the chance again, never got my book back.

Oops!

[chairboys]

Oh, Big Sam!!

[duke knooby]

i'm quite enjoying listening to some of mark steyns ramblings :)

[melon]

1 more hour and I'm off for beers with the boss... hopefully it's a quick hour lol

[duke knooby]

how hard can it be to get a weather forecast accurate for only 4 hours?????

[Guy]

Mr Chair boys.
Tommy Wright eh??

[duke knooby]

white wine, irish coffee then lots of beer,

good choices, bad order

[chairboys]

Originally Posted by Guy

Mr Chair boys.
Tommy Wright eh??

Since when have brown envelopes been illegal?
I really can't see what he's done wrong!

[tonyloaf]

number of the beast!!!

[ThatWriterGuy]

Originally Posted by Adje

About 17 years ago I went to a book signing by Stephen King. I was super hyped and super excited! So excited that, after the signing, I forgot to take my book and came home without it. I was devestated (still am when I think back of it)

Never had the chance again, never got my book back.

Funnily enough I'm reading a first print CUJO at the minute.

[AndrewG]

Through all the sometimes passionate and probably inappropriate outbursts Meat has had online etc I have to conclude he is a very clever guy I can look up to and learn from. He was 100% right on his comments on the USA presidential election.

In contrast I find Bono and Springsteen's ridiculous comments recently immature to the point I'm not buying Bruce's latest compilation album and biography pure out of principle. These two have really gone down in my estimation.

They can have their political preferences and opinions all they want but attacking candidates in an immature way when they are that involved in politics and have such a huge following really isn't tactful or smart.

And I reckon it will backfire tremendously if they don't drop it.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

I have to conclude he is a very clever guy I can look up to and learn from. He was 100% right on his comments on the USA presidential election.

I have no idea what Meat has said. But I think Joe Biden (even if he is biased) said something that hits the nail for me. He said something in the line of "I've had to deal with 8 presidents both Democrat and Republican. Some I agreed with and others disagreed. But all of them had a moral center about what it means to be an American and what the Basic civil rights are."

And although morality is a questionable thing amongst politicians I do agree. Trump, no matter if you like the guy, has none. The only moral center of Trump is based on Trumps personal needs.

[AndrewG]

Here we get the disliking thoughts brigade again.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Adje

I have no idea what Meat has said. But I think Joe Biden (even if he is biased) said something that hits the nail for me. He said something in the line of "I've had to deal with 8 presidents both Democrat and Republican. Some I agreed with and others disagreed. But all of them had a moral center about what it means to be an American and what the Basic civil rights are."

Meat just said the correct candidate will win and we should respect the decision plus that he just won't publicly endorse anyone since it is so polarising. Also that Trump simply cannot be dismissed as an idiot which was exactly almost the entire extent of Bono and Bruce's arguments. These are weak arguments, in fact no arguments. If someone came on the forum here and just said Meat is an idiot without any reason they could be banned and rightfully too.

Originally Posted by Adje

And although morality is a questionable thing amongst politicians I do agree. Trump, no matter if you like the guy, has none. The only moral center of Trump is based on Trumps personal needs.

A year ago I thought he was a complete fruitcake. But having looked into the guy a lot more since then I disagree with what you posted. In fact his desires to improve the USA for its citizens via running as president date back to the 80s when he was applauded for that stance. In my opinion a "leader" such as Mark Rutte is much much worse.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

Here we get the disliking thoughts brigade again.

Maybe see it more as a 'disagree' button instead of a 'dislike' one

Hell maybe we should ask R. to change the name of the button

BTW I also don't know what Bono or Springsteen said. But Bruce has always been a vocal Democrat. So there would be no surprise if he is vocal during the coming elections. And the immaturity (again, I haven't heared anything he said) does fit the Republican candidate who hasn't stayed clear from stating his own immature opinions. And that's the Presidential candidate FCOL

BTW, I've always been more of a democratic guy than a Republican guy, but Trump is neither. The more words come out of his mouth, the least respect I have for him as a human being. His narcistic personality actually frightens me, when it comes to the Presidential elections.

[Adje]

Originally Posted by AndrewG

A year ago I thought he was a complete fruitcake. But having looked into the guy a lot more since then I disagree with what you posted. In fact his desires to improve the USA for its citizens via running as president date back to the 80s when he was applauded for that stance. In my opinion a "leader" such as Mark Rutte is much much worse.

I never thought of Trump to be a fruitcake. I think he's very clever. But that doesn't mean I think he is suit for a job as President.

As for the Netherlands. I'm not a VVD guy and Rutte is not my pick. But neither is Wilders. And luckily Wilders act is starting to show cracks. Even to some of his followers. And with Dutch elections on their way I must say that comforts me.

As with Trump. He also is an act. But he is a good act and many people fail to see through it. That's a quality, for sure. And the World will not explode if he becomes the President. But I pitty the fool who has to clean up his mess in 4 years from now.

[AndrewG]

Originally Posted by Adje

I never thought of Trump to be a fruitcake. I think he's very clever. But that doesn't mean I think he is suit for a job as President.

As for the Netherlands. I'm not a VVD guy and Rutte is not my pick. But neither is Wilders. And luckily Wilders act is starting to show cracks. Even to some of his followers. And with Dutch elections on their way I must say that comforts me.

As with Trump. He also is an act. But he is a good act and many people fail to see through it. That's a quality, for sure. And the World will not explode if he becomes the President. But I pitty the fool who has to clean up his mess in 4 years from now.

It is a very fair comment and interesting debating this with you for sure. But hence I am much more respecting of what Meat said since he recognises Trump's intelligence as well.

I never expected Bruce to change his mind on his party alliance. However his huge endorsement of Obama and subsequently Obama's insult towards us Brits "you will be at the back of the queue for deals with the USA if you vote to leave the EU" in April (after his USA apology tour around the world) certainly made me far more sceptical of another Democratic president. It actually made me look into the EU far more and eventually I voted leave!

Whether Trump can deliver any of the stuff he says is of course something for the future to judge and I would definitely be critical if things became a mess and if that mess because of USA's influence in the west trickles into the UK. At this time I personally think more far left thinking (Labour party here in the UK moving to total socialism) is possibly not what we need to improve our and other people's lives. I used to be a paying member of the Labour party here and I also voted for them at the last election but they seem to be heading into obscurity like the PVDA are in the Netherlands. Whether you agree with them then doesn't really matter since if we don't have a large party opposition in our government simply is a bad thing.

Hillary Clinton's taunting of Russia worries me more than what Donald Trump has said about foreign countries and his policies etc. I'm not saying Putin is a saint but some of the rhetoric recently seems to be exactly what many are accusing Trump of. (If you have your hands on the nuclear football you cannot be so erratic etc)

Why Wilders doesn't open up his party to membership and invite more people / ideas in definitely won't help him and I guess it shows he is perhaps too narcissistic to become a Dutch Prime minister. We will see next year. Would a Trump win influence the Dutch? Perhaps not since most as quite far left leaning from what I know. Also weren't a whole bunch of the PVV politicians caught out to be involved in corruption when they first were part of the government coalition? I can't remember exactly but my dad said something along the lines of that is what you get with these guys at the time. I thought it was an interesting comment.

These are polarising times when it comes to politics for sure. And I also wonder if the EU will still exist in its current form (without the UK) in 10 years time.

End of random political thoughts...

Also an interesting new political TV show "Designated Survivor" with Kiefer Sutherland seems really interesting so far. (Netflix)

[anotherday]

Trump is a bigot, racist, and xenophobe. End of story. He needs to go away.

Anyone who thinks he is a good person, fit to be president, 'smart', etc is JUST DANG WRONG.

[CarylB]

Originally Posted by anotherday

Trump is a bigot, racist, and xenophobe. End of story. He needs to go away.

I agree with all this. Pence, the aspiring US vice-president has said he has seen people pack arenas and fairgrounds by the thousands or stand in a driving rainstorm to hear Trump's "message of a brighter future".~ We've seen this before, and hoped we'd never see it again.

Erratic, trafficking in prejudice and xenophobia, reckless, mendacious, coarse, shouting slogans and outcomes without any explanations of how he’d achieve them, petulant and bullying when challenged, and as a business man (which he claims makes him fit to run the USA in the absence of any experience of public office) he has shown himself to be untrustworthy, devious, again petulant, and prepared to throw small investors under the bus to hang on to his own money.

Adje said

As with Trump. He also is an act. But he is a good act and many people fail to see through it. That's a quality, for sure. And the World will not explode if he becomes the President. But I pity the fool who has to clean up his mess in 4 years from now.

I agree .. just hope the world would not rather literally explode were he to take up residence in the Oval Office .. it would certainly do so metaphorically for many living there.

Adje also said "he's very clever". I see it more as the smart cunning of a hustler.
and

The only moral center of Trump is based on Trumps personal needs.

Yes. A large group of GOP National security leaders expressed their concerns .. last March? I can only concur with their words ..
"Mr. Trump’s own statements lead us to conclude that as president, he would use the authority of his office to act in ways that make America less safe, and which would diminish our standing in the world. Furthermore, his expansive view of how presidential power should be wielded against his detractors poses a distinct threat to civil liberty in the United States."

[AndrewG]

So it sounds like you both thoroughly disagree with Meat then and that he is DANG WRONG?

I completely agree with Meat. Whoever the Americans pick will be the right president for the next 4 years. And I'd respect the outcome whether it is Clinton or Trump.

Whether either of them can make it another 4 years after that considering their ages remains to be seen I think.