music video's

[Blackkat13]

70's Paradise
80's Surf's Up or I'll kill you if you don't come back (think vid was 80's)
90's Anything 4 love
00's Couldn't have said it better

[Devil's Son]

70's
the 90's were great and now .... I would say they missed some chances with The Monster and Blind as a Bat, just thought.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

70's
the 90's were great and now ....

In the 1990s they were still brave enough to select such long songs like Anything and Objects as singles and record companies were still willing to spend large ammounts of money on music videos. The videos he made then where like movies, I especially like the Indiana Jones and James Bond references in I'd Lie For You. (I also loved the Hitchcock-like scenes in the Getting Away With Murder video although I didn't like the sound and fashion of the 1980s.)

I think it was stupid to choose IACBTMN as the first Bat III single. Many people thought he just recycled a Celine Dion song and associating Meat Loaf with her can only be disadvantageous. Let alone that Dion's version is better. (I have to say that although I don't like Celine Dion.) The video was okay, yet the setting reminded me too much of Anything and Dion's video. I think they just wanted to play it safe since her version was a hit. That's why I can at least understand why that song became a single but I wonder what the hell came over them when releasing the second single. Cry Over Me is an average, not very exciting song, in my opinion. (Blind As A Bat is much better!) The video was quite uninspired and looked cheap. I believe it doesn't necessarily require much money to make an interesting video as long as you have some good ideas. I'm very disappointed by the song as well as by the video.

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I would say they missed some chances with The Monster and Blind as a Bat, just thought.

It's a shame how they treated these great songs.

[RadioMaster]

i can imagine the single choice was down to contracts made between the people responsible.
IACBTMN was a huge popularity boost for Ms. Raven and that incidently short before her debut album came out. And incidently Mr. Child was the producer on that one as well. I can see how they tried to attract a younger audience by combining a 'hip' new act with the rock veteran Meat Loaf. So getting her on board without having her single released wouldnt really help her career anything I suppose.

It's probably been similar with COM. I assume they only got Diane Warren (a bigger name than Desmond Child) on board by guaranteeing that her song will be released as single. And when they suddenly decided to release only two singles they had to scrap BAAB at the last minute and release com so they wouldnt break the contract with Ms. Warren.

All non qualified assumptions here though...

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

IACBTMN was a huge popularity boost for Ms. Raven and that incidently short before her debut album came out.

Of course it was supposed to create some kind of synergy. It surely helped IACBTMN climbing to the top of the Norwegian charts.

As far as I remember, Marion Raven's first solo album was released one year before Bat III and sold quite well. I doubt that her collaboration with Meat Loaf caused a "huge popularity boost" neither for her nor for Meat Loaf. Do you know anybody who became a Meat Loaf fan because of Miss Raven or vice versa?

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

And incidently Mr. Child was the producer on that one as well.

It sometimes appeared to me as if Bat III was a Desmond Child album with Meat Loaf's vocals on it. I hope when the next album comes out, Meat Loaf will be more in the limelight again.

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

I can see how they tried to attract a younger audience by combining a 'hip' new act with the rock veteran Meat Loaf.

Doesn't that imply that some people think that Meat Loaf is not able to attract an audience by himself anymore?

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

I assume they only got Diane Warren (a bigger name than Desmond Child) on board by guaranteeing that her song will be released as single.

Diane Warren has written much better songs than that and in case there really was an agreement like that they should have urged her to provide better material.

[RadioMaster]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Do you know anybody who became a Meat Loaf fan because of Miss Raven or vice versa?

well, there's certainly a number of Meat Loaf fans who got attracted to her through Bat 3. I've seen her perform live in 07, together with two unknown newcomers. The vast majority of the audience came because of her, and I dont think they would have come without IACBTMN.

Doesn't that imply that some people think that Meat Loaf is not able to attract an audience by himself anymore?

definitely not in a certain age group, that buys most of the albums.

Diane Warren has written much better songs than that and in case there really was an agreement like that they should have urged her to provide better material.

It's funny, even Meat himself said in a radio interview in summer 06 that he thought COM wasnt a good song. "It wasnt very emotional when I got it, but I made it sound emotional" or something like that. I hardly doubt he would have made such a remark if he had planned to release the song as a single.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

well, there's certainly a number of Meat Loaf fans who got attracted to her through Bat 3.

Attracted in which way?

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

The vast majority of the audience came because of her, and I dont think they would have come without IACBTMN.

And I'm sure all those people bought her records and the M2M ones, too. Have you become a "real", loyal fan and have you bought any of her CDs and will you do so in the future?

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

definitely not in a certain age group, that buys most of the albums.

If an album is good, it will attract an audience, independent of any age groups. You're probably too young to remember what happened when Bat II came out. That was when Techno was "hip" but I remember that almost all my school mates owned that CD and loved it, no matter what their actual preferences regarding music were.

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

It's funny, even Meat himself said in a radio interview in summer 06 that he thought COM wasnt a good song.

So why the hell did he let them release it? Doesn't he take his own work seriously? Doesn't he have a say?

[RadioMaster]

Originally Posted by Sarge

And I'm sure all those people bought her records and the M2M ones, too. Have you become a "real", loyal fan and have you bought any of her CDs and will you do so in the future?

subsequently, yes. They wont all run to the next store, but it's the best way to build a fan base. She was completely unknown and had some respectable radio airtime with IACBTMN. So people who know her through Meat are more likely to buy her albums than people who dont know her at all.

If an album is good, it will attract an audience, independent of any age groups.

that may be, but thats apparently not what the record companies are thinking.
Or more likely: They didnt trust Bat3 to be a good album that could do that and so they needed another way to attract the record-buying-public.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

So people who know her through Meat are more likely to buy her albums than people who dont know her at all.

I agree, yet I don't believe that it made her popular enough to fill bigger venues in Germany, for example. I suspect it's a short-term benefit.

Originally Posted by RadioMaster

that may be, but thats apparently not what the record companies are thinking.

That's one of the factors explaining the crisis of the music industry. They think like accountants, they apparently hardly know anything about music and how it works.

[The Flying Mouse]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I agree, yet I don't believe that it made her popular enough to fill bigger venues in Germany, for example. I suspect it's a short-term benefit.

Marion was on work experience
OK, she was never going to be a big star off singing one song with Meat, but by singing the leading duet on the album (not to mention the first single) it gave her a taste of getting involved with promo and got to see what it was like talking to the press.
When she releases her own stuff and holds her own events, the lessons she learned from working with Meat will give her a big advantage over someone 100% new to the promo game.

Originally Posted by Sarge

That's one of the factors explaining the crisis of the music industry. They think like accountants, they apparently hardly know anything about music and how it works.

Meat said something like that in To Hell & Back.
He mentions going to see a record company exec who till a week earlier had been in charge of the branch of the parent company that manufactured and sold fridge freezers.
Where the music industry used to be made up of people who had a passion for music, it's now run by suits.

Look at Simon Cowell.
The dude knows nothing about great music, yet he has a good brain for business, and he knows what the masses want.

[mszee]

Originally Posted by Sarge

I agree, yet I don't believe that it made her popular enough to fill bigger venues in Germany, for example. I suspect it's a short-term benefit.

Would have probably worked if she was any better...worked for Dido...Eminem actually brought her to America and made her popular just by using refrain to her song in his...

[Devil's Son]

seems that child get her where he wants her .... and @ sarge: yes it is a shame how they waste the songs

[Kev]

Everything Louder Than Everything Else :)

[rocketwaveuk]

best video depends on my mood but if patti is on it then its a bonus , they go together so well , dont know any that i do not like.